Hebrews 11:33 Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions, ...35 and others were TORTURED, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection: 36 And others had trial of cruel MOCKINGS and SCOURGINGS, yea, moreover of BONDS and IMPRISONMENT: 37 They were STONED, they were SAWN asunder, were tested, were SLAIN with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being DESTITUTE, AFFLICTED, TORMENTED; 38 (Of whom the world was not worthy:) they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth. 39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith
We should never forget that, by faith, some will stop the mouth of lions. And some will be in the mouth of the lions, by faith, and not be delivered. We can't look at someone's life and say, "they must be doing something right, they must be blessed of God, because they are having success and deliverance, health and prosperity." We are appointed to suffering and affliction(I Thessalonians 3:3). The perspective of the world is opposed to that. That perspective is in the "church."
Ohio, that perspective is in the 'church', as that system is not of GOD Almighty.
The people have been decieved by 'church' doctrine' such as the 'rapture'
theory, some people see that as a 'GET out of TRIBULATION free card'.
Acts 14 verse 22
22 strengthening the souls of the disciples, exhorting them to continue in the faith and that “through many tribulations it behooves us to enter into the kingdom of God.”
Moon, where is the RAPTURE spoken of in the scripture you mentioned, i migjt have missed that one over the 30 years of reading and studying the Scriptures.
Remember, according to rsvp and dave, if the word 'rapture' is not in the Scripture, then you understanding of that Scripture is wrong.
If the word “rapture” doesn’t fire your rocket then try igniting with “harpazo” or even the words “catching away” (as used in the context of the larger passage below).
I even highlighted the shorter portion of the passage using a bunch of my favorite angle bracket chevrons >>>>>>><<<<<<<
1 Thessalonians 4:15-18
New International Version
15 According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that,
>>>>>>we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. <<<<<<
And so we will be with the Lord forever. 18 Therefore encourage one another with these words.
Quiznos, a word of advice to you for what its worth. Why post a general word of 'rapture' claiming its not in the Bible (which its not) and then allowing an open door for tinyfaithdavid and Mooncakes to distract from your CONTEXT in your actual meaning!? Make your point clear that you are asking or >>>should<<< be asking that - where is the >>>SECRET<<< 'rapture' spoken of in the Scriptures? Rather interpreted as 'rapture' or 'harpazo' or even words like 'catching away' is irrelevant to the subject and point you are trying to make (so don't let them distract you!), which of course there is no 'GET out of TRIBULATION free card' as you correctly state! The so called 7 year >>>TRIBULATION<<< the main line CULT 'churches' teach today >after< a >>>secret<<< 'rapture' , you know the HOLLYWOOD movies of clothes piled on the ground, airplanes crashing and many passengers killed because the pilot or pilots were >>>secretly<<< 'raptured' or 'harpazod' or even words like 'catching away' of those that supposedly don't have to go through the end times clearly taught in Scripture of the GREAT TRIBULATION that the saints will go through!
Note OhioGrace in this very thread shows in times >past< according to Hebrews 11:33 (and there are MANY other verses to support this context!) that believers 'SUFFERED' and were 'TORTURED' and 'MOCKED" and 'SCOURGED' and 'AFFLICTED' and even in 'BONDS' and or 'IMPRISONMENT' etc etc but CULTISTrsvp and tinyfaithdavid are clueless to the fact this will take place in the end times before FatherYHWH returns for His saints, rather they are alive or dead at His >>>SECOND COMING<<<! Its a very >>>LOUD EVENT<<< and is certainly NOT >secret< as CULTISTrsvp PARROTS from the cathoholic 'church'! Its an invention of the first BEAST of Revelation chapter 13, to distract so called PROTESTants from identifying the cathoholic 'church' like the Churches did in the past with footnotes in their Bibles like my great great Grandpa had in His Bible, so I was told! So the cathoholic 'church' come up with the plan of teaching the ignorant PROTESTants (that cannot read CONTEXT of the Bible!) that they will not be around during the GREAT TRIBULATION ('secretly raptured') times and therefore don't need to be concerned with taking 'the mark of the beast' (that comes from the cathoholic 'church') and forfeit >>>salvation<<< by taking that symbolic mark in the forehead because the so called 'church' is not here, you see? Its the old classical feel good 'christainity' and or 'churchyanity' that all is well and don't be concerned with taking 'the mark of the beast' because you will not be on earth then! Got it?
So what is this relatively new teaching of the secret 'rapture/harpazo/catching away' to name by but only a few?
Quiz, the CULT doctrine goes like this, outside the Bible of course, go figure, right??? No surprise to you, correct? Its the now teaching of 4 comings of Father YHWH by modern teaching! According to the CULTS, the EVERLASTING Father Himself has come by His WORD in the flesh, known as his Son Yah'shua. That is correct! So they all agree that has been 'fulfilled' obviously! Then comes the >>>secret<<< 'rapture' which is to be His 'second coming' supposedly but only for a few saints to earth but nobody will see it with their eyes except those 'secretly raptured', then those remaining 'saints' as actual conversions will be 'saved' and suffer thru the GREAT TRIBULATION for 7 years remaining on earth! AMAZING CULT doctrine! Then comes His 3rd coming the CULTS say for His remaining saints now from the earth to heaven! Finally the EVERLASTING Father will come back at His 4th coming in the New Jerusalem City to rest on the earth for ever, the capital, to do battle with the wicked raised from the graves/hell and judged before they attack the Holy City and then the lake of fire will take place, be created (Rev. 20:9) to eventually bring them to ashes (Malachi 4:1-3) after they pay for their sins themselves!
Its quite the INSANE CULT teaching of 4 comings of YHWH, isn't it Quiz?
Your soooo right Quiz, The people have been deceived by 'church doctrine' such as the >>>secret<<< 'rapture' and therefore '2nd coming' but that actual 'doctrine' comes from the cathoholic 'church' as their distraction from identifying them yet today, as that 'system' as you say Quiz, unlike the past of Church history that always did!
So what ever you do Quiz, don't attend a CULT 'church' that teaches those false 'doctrines' (which I assume you will NOT because you read the Bible for yourself, let it interpret itself by CONTEXT!) and obviously what you have learned in your 30 years of study and not proven by others here on this thread against you as wrong on the actual subject you bring up!
Quiz, I hope you appreciate your Bugs Buddy speaking up for ya‼️‼️‼️‼️ I know I’m very grateful to him‼️‼️‼️ 😂👍 THANKS TEDDYBUGS—BUDDY‼️‼️‼️ TeddyBug, l hope you continue lending “aid” and supper to the Quiz ANYTIME‼️‼️
Ok now Quiz, it’s your turn. [Now it’s your turn] to graciously extend a warmed over thank you to the TeddyBug, (BugsBuddy), not to be confused with Bugs Bunny, who was actually funny ON PURPOSE‼️‼️
Quiz...?
Quiz...??
Quiz, please thank the TeddyBug, on behalf of all of us, for the counseling session he posted on your behalf and of which delighted everyone else ‼️‼️
Quiz, don’t be ungrateful like Adam7777‼️‼️
Remember how the TeddyBug often supplied unsolicited counsel to Adam as well but ADAM never seemed to extend a single word of appreciation to the TeddyBug🥸, so SAD! Such un—appreciative people around here...hmmmm🤔🧐😅
Make your point clear that you are asking or >>>should<<< be asking that - where is the >>>SECRET<<< 'rapture' spoken of in the Scriptures? 
Rather interpreted as 'rapture' or 'harpazo' or even words like 'catching away' is irrelevant to the subject and point you are trying to make (so don't let them distract you!), which of course there is no 'GET out of TRIBULATION free card' as you correctly state! 
The so called 7 year >>>TRIBULATION<<< the main line CULT 'churches' teach today >after< a >>>secret<<< 'rapture' 
, you know the HOLLYWOOD movies of clothes piled on the ground, airplanes crashing and many passengers killed because the pilot or pilots were >>>secretly<<< 'raptured' or 'harpazod' or even words like 'catching away' of those that supposedly don't have to go through the end times clearly taught in Scripture of the GREAT TRIBULATION that the saints will go through! 
Its a very >>>LOUD EVENT<<< and is certainly NOT >secret< as CULTISTrsvp PARROTS from the cathoholic 'church'! Its an invention of the first BEAST of Revelation chapter 13, to distract so called PROTESTants from identifying the cathoholic 'church' like the Churches did in the past with footnotes in their Bibles like my great great Grandpa had in His Bible, so I was told! 
So the cathoholic 'church' come up with the plan of teaching the ignorant PROTESTants (that cannot read CONTEXT of the Bible!) 
that they will not be around during the GREAT TRIBULATION ('secretly raptured') times and therefore don't need to be concerned with taking 'the mark of the beast' (that comes from the cathoholic 'church') and forfeit >>>salvation<<< by taking that symbolic mark in the forehead because the so called 'church' is not here, you see? Its the old classical feel good 'christainity' and or 'churchyanity' that all is well and don't be concerned with taking 'the mark of the beast' because you will not be on earth then! 
No surprise to you, correct? 
which is to be His 'second coming' supposedly but only for a few saints to earth but nobody will see it with their eyes except those 'secretly raptured', then those remaining 'saints' as actual conversions will be 'saved' and suffer thru the GREAT TRIBULATION for 7 years remaining on earth! 
AMAZING CULT doctrine! 
