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God's Sovereignty: Is God the Author of Sin?
Posted : 23 Aug, 2011 08:49 PM

The Sovereignty of God



Sam Storms

Nov 6, 2006

Series: Attributes of God



A. Over Nature and Weather



Psalms 104; 105:16; 135:7; 147:7-20; 148; Job 9:5-10; 26:5-14; 37:1-24; 38:8-38; Mark 4:39,41. Other texts:



"It is He who made the earth by His power, who established the world by His wisdom; and by His understanding He has stretched out the heavens. When He utters His voice, there is a tumult of waters in the heavens, and He causes the clouds to ascend from the end of the earth; He makes lightning for the rain, and brings out the wind from His storehouses" (Jer. 10:12-13).



"Are there any among the idols of the nations who give rain? Or can the heavens grant showers? Is it not Thou, O Lord our God? Therefore we hope in Thee, for Thou art the one who hast done all these things" (Jer. 14:22).



"And furthermore [declares the Lord], I withheld the rain from you while there were still three months until harvest. Then I would send rain on one city and on another city I would not send rain; one part would be rained on, while the part not rained on would dry up" (Amos 4:7).



B. Over Kings and Nations



Daniel 1:2 (cf. Jer. 25:1-12; Isa. 10:5-14)



"the Lord gave" . . . Ultimately it was neither the sin and weakness of Jehoiakim nor the brilliance and strength of Nebuchadnezzar, not even the impotence or inactivity of God, but the sovereign good pleasure of Yahweh that determined the historical outcome (cf. Dan. 2:20-23). The Israelites "are not mere pawns on a political and geographical chessboard. To be in the hand of Nebuchadnezzar is not to be out of the control of God" (Goldingay, 22).



See also Daniel 2:37-38; 4:25,30,32; 5:18,20,21; Isaiah 10:5-13; 40:23-24



C. Over People and their Hearts



Gen. 20:6; Prov. 21:1; 16:9; Exodus 3:21-22; 12:35-36; 34:23-24; Deut. 2:30; Joshua 11:20; Judges 7:2-3,22; 1 Sam. 14:6,15,20; 2 Sam. 17:14; 1 Kings 12:15; 20:28-29; 2 Chron. 13:14-16; Ezra 1:1,5; 6:22; 7:27; Isa. 45:4-5; Acts 4:27-28; 2 Cor. 8:16-17; Rev. 17:17.



D. Over the Closing and Opening of the Womb



Gen. 16:2; 29:31; 1 Sam. 1:5; Judges 13:3.



E. Over Everything (including evil) in General



Genesis 50:20 (cf. Ps. 105:17); Exodus 4:11 (disease and disability); Job 2:10 (cf. James 5:11); 42:2; Ps. 115:3; Prov. 16:33; 21:31; Isa. 45:7 (virtually all of Isa. 42-48); Lam. 3:37-38; Daniel 4:32,35; Amos 3:6; Matthew 10:29-31; Acts 4:27-28; Eph. 1:11; 2 Cor. 12:7.



F. Over Life and Death



Deut. 32:39; 2 Samuel 12:15; James 4:14-15; 1 Samuel 2:6-7.



G. Over Destructive Animals



When the Assyrians populated Samaria with foreigners, 2 Kings 17:25 says, "Therefore the LORD sent lions among them which killed some of them."



And in Daniel 6:22, Daniel says to the king, "My God sent His angel and shut the lions' mouths." Other Scriptures speak of God commanding birds and bears and donkeys and large fish to do his bidding. Which means that all calamities that are owing to animal life are ultimately in the control of God. He can see a pit bull break loose from his chain and attack a child; and he could, with one word, command that its mouth be shut. Similarly he controls the invisible animal and plant life that wreaks havoc in the world: bacteria and viruses and parasites and thousands of microscopic beings that destroy health and life. If God can shut the mouth of a ravenous lion, then he can shut the mouth of a malaria-carrying mosquito and nullify every other animal that kills.



H. Divine Sovereignty in Proverbs



1. over all our actions and words (16:1-3,9) - For all its emphasis on common sense, Proverbs exalts faith above wisdom; and for all its emphasis on prudence, man's ways are determined by divine providence.



Note esp. vv. 2,9. "God holds an even balance and critically tests the genuineness of the impulses which motivated the deed. Accordingly, man should not be guided by his own judgment but apply the criterion, how will it be judged by God?" (Cohen, 103).



In v. 3, "works" refers not to those already performed, but "projected actions" or "plans", as in vv. 1-2. See 19:21. "To confide one's projects to Yahweh implies an element of resignation to Yahweh's will, a willingness to give up anything which clashes with Yahweh's resolve and so a quest for attunement and harmony. This is the way for man to proceed if he wishes to ensure that his plans will not be nullified by Yahweh's veto and so fail of implementation" (McKane, 497).



As for v. 9, "a man may plan his road to the last detail, but he cannot implement his planning unless it coincides with Yahweh's plan for him. He is deluded if he supposes that he has unfettered control and can impose his will on every situation without limitation in order to make his plan a reality, for it is Yahweh who orders his steps" (McKane, 495-96).



2. over the destiny of the wicked (16:4) - There are no loose ends in God's providential rule of the world: even the wicked are under his oversight. Note well: there is a difference between making a person to condemn him/her, and appointing a person to condemnation for his/her wickedness. God has appointed all things and all people to their proper end that he might receive all the glory.



3. over the casting of the lot (16:33) - The casting of lots was often used in the OT to determine God's will. See Lev. 16:7-10,21,22; Joshua 7:14 (cf. 1 Sam. 14:42); 14:2; 18:6; 1 Chron. 6:54ff.; 25:7,8; 26:13ff; Neh. 10:34ff. See also Matt. 27:35; Acts 1:26. Although the decision is reached by a seemingly arbitrary process, God is in absolute control. As someone said, "Man throws the dice, but God makes the spots turn up!"



4. over the heart of the king (21:1) - In much the same way that an irrigator might cut a watercourse in any direction he desires, so God sways the heart of a king, even an unbelieving one. See Gen.. 20:6; Exod. 4:21; 7:3; 9:16; 10:1-2; 14:4-5; Isaiah 10:5-19; 45:1-13; Ezra 1:1,5 (Cyrus, king of Persia); Jer. 25:3-14; Hab. 1:5-11; Acts 4:25-28; Rev. 17:16-17.



5. over the battle and its outcome (21:30-31) - See also Ps. 20:7; 33:13-17; Isa. 31:1-3.



6. over our souls (24:12c; 18:10; 30:5b)



This is why Charles Spurgeon, the London pastor from 100 years ago said,



"I believe that every particle of dust that dances in the sunbeam does not move an atom more or less than God wishes - that every particle of spray that dashes against the steamboat has its orbit, as well as the sun in the heavens - that the chaff from the hand of the winnower is steered as the stars in their courses. The creeping of an aphid over the rosebud is as much fixed as the march of the devastating pestilence - the fall of . . . leaves from a poplar is as fully ordained as the tumbling of an avalanche."



When Spurgeon was challenged that this is nothing but fatalism and stoicism, he replied,



"What is fate? Fate is this - Whatever is, must be. But there is a difference between that and Providence. Providence says, Whatever God ordains, must be; but the wisdom of God never ordains anything without a purpose. Everything in this world is working for some great end. Fate does not say that. . . . There is all the difference between fate and Providence that there is between a man with good eyes and a blind man."



Is God the Author of Sin?



Jonathan Edwards answers, "If by 'the author of sin,' be meant the sinner, the agent, or the actor of sin, or the doer of a wicked thing . . . it would be a reproach and blasphemy, to suppose God to be the author of sin. In this sense, I utterly deny God to be the author of sin." But, he argues, willing that sin exist in the world is not the same as sinning. God does not commit sin in willing that there be sin. God has established a world in which sin will indeed necessarily come to pass by God's permission, but not by his "positive agency."



God is, Edwards says, "the permitter . . . of sin; and at the same time, a disposer of the state of events, in such a manner, for wise, holy and most excellent ends and purposes, that sin, if it be permitted . . . will most certainly and infallibly follow."



He uses the analogy of the way the sun brings about light and warmth by its essential nature, but brings about dark and cold by dropping below the horizon. "If the sun were the proper cause of cold and darkness," he says, "it would be the fountain of these things, as it is the fountain of light and heat: and then something might be argued from the nature of cold and darkness, to a likeness of nature in the sun." In other words, "sin is not the fruit of any positive agency or influence of the most High, but on the contrary, arises from the withholding of his action and energy, and under certain circumstances, necessarily follows on the want of his influence."



Thus in one sense God wills that what he hates come to pass, as well as what he loves. Edwards says,



"God may hate a thing as it is in itself, and considered simply as evil, and yet . . . it may be his will it should come to pass, considering all consequences. . . . God doesn't will sin as sin or for the sake of anything evil; though it be his pleasure so to order things, that he permitting, sin will come to pass; for the sake of the great good that by his disposal shall be the consequence. His willing to order things so that evil should come to pass, for the sake of the contrary good, is no argument that he doesn't hate evil, as evil: and if so, then it is no reason why he many not reasonably forbid evil as evil, and punish it as such."



Why Does God Ordain that there Be Evil?



It is evident from what has been said that it is not because he delights in evil as evil. Rather he "wills that evil come to pass . . . that good may come of it." What good? And how does the existence of evil serve this good end? Here is Edwards' stunning answer:



"It is a proper and excellent thing for infinite glory to shine forth; and for the same reason, it is proper that the shining forth of God's glory should be complete; that is, that all parts of his glory should shine forth, that every beauty should be proportionably effulgent, that the beholder may have a proper notion of God. It is not proper that one glory should be exceedingly manifested, and another not at all. . . ."



Thus it is necessary, that God's awful majesty, his authority and dreadful greatness, justice, and holiness, should be manifested. But this could not be, unless sin and punishment had been decreed; so that the shining forth of God's glory would be very imperfect, both because these parts of divine glory would not shine forth as the others do, and also the glory of his goodness, love, and holiness would be faint without them; nay, they could scarcely shine forth at all.



If it were not right that God should decree and permit and punish sin, there could be no manifestation of God's holiness in hatred of sin, or in showing any preference, in his providence, of godliness before it. There would be no manifestation of God's grace or true goodness, if there was no sin to be pardoned, no misery to be saved from. How much happiness soever he bestowed, his goodness would not be so much prized and admired. . . .



So evil is necessary, in order to the highest happiness of the creature, and the completeness of that communication of God, for which he made the world; because the creature's happiness consists in the knowledge of God, and the sense of his love. And if the knowledge of him be imperfect, the happiness of the creature must be proportionably imperfect.'

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Posted : 25 Aug, 2011 05:20 AM

Arch:



I understand and accept your argument, but lets look more deeply. In the beginning when God created "all" things: God indeed created the existence of the potentiality of evil (sin).



The scriptural key to defend my argument is found in Genesis chapter 2 verse 17:



" But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."



This tree's fruit was sin for Adam and evil. Yet, God not only created it, He placed it in close proximity to Adam and Eve as if the tempt/test them. The next question is why?

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Posted : 25 Aug, 2011 07:49 AM

Well Itasca of course that is not true because he said let no man say that he is tempted of him. The mind of man will always led him in the ditch in the things of God, you can not commune with the word of God with your mind.



Jas 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

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Posted : 25 Aug, 2011 08:50 AM

You again have missed the point bunny rabbit we were discussing the origins of sin and who was the creator of sin was --by the way I was not addressing you.

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Posted : 25 Aug, 2011 09:18 AM

Itasca shared ~ This tree's fruit was sin for Adam and evil. Yet, God not only created it, He placed it in close proximity to Adam and Eve as if the tempt/test them. [ The next question is why? ]



*** God gave "Will" to man [Adam & Eve]...GOD did not "Will"...Compell...or Force them to Do or Not to Do Evil...it was a "Choice"...and a Very Bad one....xo

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Posted : 25 Aug, 2011 10:00 AM

GJ : I am not discussing will. I am discussing the origin of sin. It seems your position is : woman, then man disobeyed God and brought sin into the world. Fine that is a biblical fact. Sin ( The serpent knew of it and tempted Eve) had to exist prior to Adam and Eves willful disobedience before sin could be brought into the world. Understand? God created all things material and immaterial-sin being immaterial--spiritual in nature- the serpent tempted eve to release sin that existed into the world.

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Posted : 25 Aug, 2011 10:05 AM

No that is a n opinion Itasca, actually a doctrine of the father of Sin Satan, in case you was wondering I was talking to you.

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Posted : 25 Aug, 2011 10:06 AM

Arch: Can I throw a rock at you if no rocks exist? Can I sin against God sin does not exist?

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Posted : 25 Aug, 2011 11:12 AM

I am not talking to you . I do not cast pearls before swine.

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Posted : 25 Aug, 2011 11:52 AM

Itasca,



I see where you are coming from and your Misunderstanding is Understandable (I hope that was Clear). You are Confusing



�The Tree of The Knowledge of Good and Evil,��



With Actual Evil.



When Adam and Eve ate from the Tree they Gained just the Knowledge (or was able to Discern between what was) Good or Evil. They did not Receive the ability to do Evil from that Tree.



Evil is Simply



�The Absence of God�. Whenever Man Turns Away from God and Disobeys God�Man Sins!



The Moment Adam and Eve�turned AWAY from God and Disobeyed God�they SINNED!



Sin was Brought into this World by Lucifer�when Lucifer TURNED AWAY from God because of Lucifer�s PRIDE. So in Reality�Pride was the Cause of the First SIN.



God cannot Create anything even close to Resembling Sin�God by His Very Nature�cannot�Will Not�cause Sin.



Again Sin Exists whenever Man turns away from God�the Absence of God!



Does that make sense�?





So...to answer your question...about the Rock.



You are Comparing Oranges to Orangatans. Your example is not analogous to Sin.



For example...does Cold Exist? You would answer...Yes. The Truth is that there is no such thing as Coldness. Coldness is simply a Term that defines



"The Absence of Heat"



Coldness is Measured by how much Heat is Absent.



Another Example...does Darkness Exist?



Again the answer is No.



Darkness is simply...(Wait fir it...)



"The Absence of Light"



So...God did not Creat Sin...Lucifer did when he Disobeyed God.



Capice?

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Posted : 25 Aug, 2011 01:00 PM

Again God created Lucifer with the ability to rebel- and God knowing all things past, present and future knew Lucifer (and the angels who followed him) would rebel and become the author of human sin. You want to blame Lucifer , he is to be blamed, but God created him knowing what he was capable of doing, so God is ultimately responsible for the creation of sin and it's devastating impact on humanity. I suppose when you carefully consider my argument it is only right that he sent His only begotten sin to die for his actions.



The only point I am trying to make is I want you to think of sin as a "thing". Sin is not just a bad behavior/action- a bad behavior must have been a conscious or unconscious thought before it was express. But behind the thought is another dimension where Satan and sin lives--Paul writes of that dimension in Ephesians.



Ephesian 6: 12 :



" For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms."





Your argument is based on the struggle with flesh and blood ; sure that war needs to be fought-but the real battle field is in the spirit world were sin is nurtured and released into human hearts and minds. I hope I have brought more clarity to my position.

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