Can I get your thoughts on this regaurding the Lord's Supper...
Posted : 5 Jan, 2012 07:35 PM
I just recently got a copy of a book from a friend who wanted me to tell him if i thought that it was something that every Christian should know when we gather together for communion. I agreed that it did for obvious reasons after researching the whole thing but i wondered how others in Christ might react to it. With that thought, I suddenly figured that this little snippet of information would be an interesting read and stepping stone for discussion on the subject of the Lord's supper. I'd like to know your thoughts on this, if you wouldn't mind.
Here it goes.
THE LORD'S SUPPER:
Rivers of blood have been shed at the hands of Protestant and Catholic Christians alike over the doctrinal intricacies related to Holy Communion.21 The Lord's Supper, once precious and living, became the center of theological debate for centuries. Tragically, it moved from a dramatic and concrete picture of Christ's body and blood to a study in abstract and metaphysical thought. We cannot concern ourselves with the theological minutiae that surround the Lord's Supper in this book. But clearly Protestants (as well as Catholics) do not practice the Supper the way it was observed in the first century. For the early Christians, the Lord's Supper was a festive communal meal.22 The mood was one of celebration and joy When believers first gathered for the meal, they broke the bread and passed it around. Then they ate their meal, which then concluded after the cup was passed around. The Lord's Supper was essentially a Christian banquet. And there was no clergyman to officiate.23 Today, tradition has forced us to take the Supper as a tongue-tickling thimble of grape juice and a tiny, tasteless bite-size cracker. The Supper is often taken in an atmosphere of solemnity. We are told to remember the horrors of our Lord's death and to reflect on our sins. In addition, tradition has taught us that taking the Lord's Supper can be a dangerous thing. Thus many contemporary Christians would never take Communion without an ordained clergyman present. Often, they point to 1 Corinthians 11:27-33. In verse 27, the apostle Paul does warn believers not to participate in the Lord's Supper "unworthily." In this instance, however, he appears to have been speaking to church members who were dishonoring the Supper by not waiting for their poor brethren to eat with them, as well as those who were getting drunk on the wine. TRUNCATING THE MEAL So why was the full meal replaced with a ceremony including only the bread and the cup? Here is the story. In the first and early second centuries, the early Christians called the Lord's Supper the "love feast."24 At that time, they took the bread and cup in the context of a festive meal. But around the time of Tertullian, the bread and the cup began to be separated from the meal. By the late second century, this separation was complete .15 Some scholars have argued that the Christians dropped the meal because they wanted to keep the Eucharist from becoming profaned by the participation of unbelievers." This may be partly true. But it is more likely that the growing influence of pagan religious ritual removed the Supper from the joyful, down-to-earth, nonreligious atmosphere of a meal in someone's living room.' By the fourth century, the love feast was prohibited among Christians!28 With the abandonment of the meal, the terms breaking of bread and Lord's Supper disappeared.29 The common term for the now truncated ritual (just the bread and the cup) was the Eucharist.30 Irenaeus (130-200) was one of the first to call the bread and cup an offering.31 After him, it began to be called the "offering" or "sacrifice." The altar table where the bread and cup were placed came to be seen as an altar where the victim was offered.32 The Supper was no longer a community event. It was rather a priestly ritual that was to be watched at a distance. Throughout the fourth and fifth centuries, there was an increasing sense of awe and dread associated with the table where the sacred Eucharist was celebrated." It became a somber ritual. The joy that had once been a part of it had vanished.34 The mystique associated with the Eucharist was due to the influence of the pagan mystery religions, which were clouded with superstition.35 With this influence, the Christians began to ascribe sacred overtones to the bread and the cup. They were viewed as holy objects in and of themselves.36 Because the Lord's Supper became a sacred ritual, it required a sacred person to administer it.37 Enter now the priest offering the sacrifice of the Mass.38 He was believed to have the power to call God down from heaven and confine Him to a piece of bread.39 Around the tenth century, the meaning of the word body changed in Christian literature. Previously, Christian writers used the word body to refer to one of three things: (1) the physical body of Jesus, (2) the church, or (3) the bread of the Eucharist.
The early church fathers saw the church as a faith community that identified itself by the breaking of bread. But by the tenth century, there was a shift in thinking and language. The word body was no longer used to refer to the church. It was only used to refer to the Lord's physical body or the bread of the Eucharist.'� Consequently, the Lord's Supper became far removed from the idea of the church coming together to celebrate the breaking of bread.4' The vocabulary change reflected this practice. The Eucharist had ceased to be part of a joyful communal meal but came to be viewed as sacred on its own-even as it sat on the table. It became shrouded in a religious mist. Viewed with awe, it was taken with glumness by the priest and completely removed from the communal nature of the ekklesia. All of these factors gave rise to the doctrine of transubstantiation. In the fourth century, the belief that the bread and wine changed into the Lord's actual body and blood was explicit. Transubstantiation, however, was the doctrine that gave a theological explanation of how that change occurred.' (This doctrine was worked out from the eleventh through the thirteenth centuries.) With the doctrine of transubstantiation, God's people approached the elements with a feeling of fear. They were reluctant even to approach them." When the words of the Eucharist were uttered, it was believed that the bread literally became God. All of this turned the Lord's Supper into a sacred ritual performed by sacred people and taken out of the hands of God's people. So deeply entrenched was the medieval idea that the bread and cup were an "offering" that even some of the Reformers held to it.' While contemporary Protestant Christians have discarded the Catholic notion that the Lord's Supper is a sacrifice, they have continued to embrace the Catholic practice of the Supper. Observe a Lord's Supper service (often called "Holy Communion") in most Protestant churches and you will observe the following: The Lord's Supper is a bite-size cracker (or a small piece of bread) and a shot glass of grape juice (or wine). As in the Catholic church, it is removed from the meal. The mood is somber and glum, just as it is in the Catholic church. Congregants are told by the pastor that they must examine themselves with regard to sin before they partake of the elements, a practice that came from John Calvin." Like the Catholic priest, many pastors will sport clerical robes for the occasion. But always, the pastor administers the Supper and recites the words of institution, "This is my body," before dispensing the elements to the congregation.`}6 With only a few minor tweaks, all of this is medieval Catholicism through and through.
SUMMARY...
In the same vein, the Lord's Supper, when separated from its proper context of a full meal, turns into a strange, pagan-like rite.'' The Supper has become an empty ritual officiated by a clergyman, rather than a shared-life experience enjoyed by the church. It has become a morbid religious exercise, rather than a joyous festival-a stale individualistic ceremony, rather than a meaningful corporate event. As one scholar put it, "It is not in doubt that the Lord's Supper began as a family meal or a meal of friends in a private house ... the Lord's Supper moved from being a real meal into being a symbolic meal ... the Lord's Supper moved from bare simplicity to elaborate splendor ... the celebration of the Lord's Supper moved from being a lay function to a priestly function. In the New Testament itself, there is no indication that it was the special privilege or duty of anyone to lead the worshipping fellowship in the Lord's Supper. 1151 When Israel had departed from God's original thought, the prophet cried: "Thus says the LORD, `Stand by the ways and see and ask for the ancient paths, where the good way is, and walk in it; and you will find rest for your souls"' (Jeremiah 6:16, NASB). In the same way, can we shun the vain traditions of men and return to the ancient paths ... those holy traditions that were given to us by Jesus Christ and His apostles ?
QUESTION: The apostle Paul's words in 1 Corinthians 11:23-26, in which he reminds believers of Jesus' words when instituting the Lord's Supper, seem to emphasize communion as a time to remember Christ's sacrificial death. Naturally, then, many believers use it as a time to confess their sin and remember God's mercy. It is hardly an "empty ritual" as you describe it. Your thoughts?
ANSWER: We agree that the Lord's Supper is not an empty ritual for all Christians. At the same time, we regret that so many churches have lost the focus the first Christians had when they celebrated communion. The early Christians took the supper in an atmosphere of joy and celebration. By it, they proclaimed Christ's victorious death and His future coming. They also took it as a full meal in fellowship with the body of Christ, the church. This is the way it was handed down to us by Jesus and the apostles. Therefore we ought to ask ourselves: Is stripping the Lord's Supper from the meal and making it a somber occasion a development or a departure? Have we improved upon what Jesus and the apostles passed down to us, or have we strayed from it?
Can I get your thoughts on this regaurding the Lord's Supper...
Posted : 6 Jan, 2012 10:13 PM
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Can I get your thoughts on this regaurding the Lord's Supper...
Posted : 6 Jan, 2012 01:01 PM
Agapeton said: ET, the last supper and the Lord's supper are one and the same since Paul put them together in the text. The same thing Jesus was doing with the disciples is what he told them to do also.
Ella syas: No, sorry Agapeton, the meal and the Instutition of the LORD'S SUPPER ARE NOT THE SAME. The happened at the same tiime DURING THE MEAL, BUT what Jesus did was seprarte from the eating of the Passover meal...
Maybe you did READ all that I posted to know the difference...
ME: Jeus said DO THIS IN MEMORY OF ME. What about THE WHOLE MEAL AND ASSMEBLING TOGETHER BY THE SAINTS WASN'T DONE IN THAT WAY?
Agaelton said: Hence do THIS in remembrance of me. The whole precedence of the meal is Jewish symbolism and ritualistic in nature. That is why it is in Matthew (originally written to the Jews by a Jew) mentions it and Luke writes it in his gospel (Luke met Paul in the Gentile nations and tagged along with him. Some say that Luke was the man in the vision Paul saw to ask him to go to his town. The first time "we" is used after that meaning Luke started traveling with them.). Tradition says that Luke got these things from Paul and wrote them in the two volume "book" of the Gospel-Acts.
Ella syas: Agapeton this has nothing to do with wht some say, and what others say, Jesus is the one who INSTUTIED WHAT WE, AS CHRISTIAN BELIEVERS CALLED THE LORD'S SUPPER OR COMMUNION. This si the taking of the blessings of the bread, and blessings of the cup, juts as Jesus did, and eatign and drinking there of ... This was NOT THE SAME AS WHEN JESUS AND THE DISCIPLES ATE OF THE PASSOVER DINNER. Jesus illustarts the meaning of this speaicl event in what I posted about Him being the bread of life and the REASON WHY WE EAT THE BREAD (WHICH IS SYMBOLIC OF HIS BODY) AND DRINK OF THE CUP (WHICH IS SYMBOLIC OF HIS BLOOD).. it doesn;t matter what men say ot think or their opinions, it matter what Jesus said and WE AS CHRISTIANS BELIEVERS ARE TO DO THIS IN REMEMBERANCE OF HIS BRUSED DYING BODY, AND THE HIS INNOCNET BLODD THAT WAS SHED FOR THE FORGIVENNESS OF OUR SINS.
ME: Uh, honey. What are you trying to say here? You really sound contentious in this post. Whether this was the actual Passover meal or A MEAL DURING THE 7 DAYS OF UNLEAVENED BREAD is not really what I'm discussing here. What I AM SAYING IS THAT THE TIME WHERE JESUS SAID THE BREAD AND WINE WERE HIM IS THE SAME REFERENCE PAUL USED IN 1 Corinthians 11.
IF I WAS DISCUSSING whether it was the actual meal of the Passover, then I'd say this in defense of the unleavened bread feast meal instead of the actual Passover meal: Jesus took the whole meal and showed them that He was the unleavened bread, which was the symbol of Israel's hasty retreat and torment under Egypt while being humble and obedient. Remember what the passover meant and what the Jews were to do? First off the feast of unleavened bread lasted 7 days. Jesus could have had them prepare the meal before the actual day. Traditionally the major meals are done at the beginning of the unleavened bread feast (which is the actual Passover) and lasting through out the end of it . If it was the actual Passover meal, then jesus would have said something about him being the LAMB THAT WAS TO BE SLAIN AT THE TWILIGHT OF THE PASSOVER AND THE BLOOD THAT WAS SHED AND PUT OVER THE DOOR POSTS OF THE HOMES was his blood and the wine was the way of recounting this if someone asked.... (and ritually, in the Jewish faith, someone (usually a child) HAD TO ASK....
... suppose I'm trying to "figer" out your's and the author's objects to, or what it is that you are questioning, or if you are questioing the fact that the pastor and elders of the church are the ones who administer the Communion, that is given out to the church members, or if you what it is you are seeking. In otherword what's your question or point, intent and prupsoe of questioning that you are trying to make, and do you undertsand the purpose of the Communion or Lord's Supper spiritually that Jesus institued? Its very clear that AFTER JESUS DID THIS SPEACILA OFFERING, they then ate of the Passover supper.
ME: Actually, I wasn't, but now that you mention it, that is a good point. Nice catch, sister. It never really dawned on me that only clergy passes the bread and juice in most churches cause I don't really consider one of my brothers as an elder in the church since he is WAY younger than me... Looks like I got to talk to him now. lol
Agapeton said: I don't have the name of the book or the name of the author right now, ET, cause I'm at work but I'll post it when I get back home. Ok? I don't know much about him either but I did like some of the stuff he said though.
Ella; Yes, please do becasue I owuld like to read it and find out what his points are and wehter or not he is in agreement with what God says or juts voicing his own OPIINIONS as an unbeliever.
I understand. He is a believer though. Spirit filled from my understanding too.
BE AWARE AND SO WARNED: One thing for sure, care must be taken when you are trying to denounce or argue, or question the partaking of the Lord's Supper/Communion of our Lord that He Himself INSTITUED in the body of Christ, and exhort us to do as often as possible in rememberance of Him... trying to oppose or dencounce or discredit this special scared event in the church of eating of the bread and drinking of the cup... that's walking on dangerous grounds in the pits of satan's blasphemy of our Lord's body and His blood... and God will vindicate such denouncment and declare it as unbelief of all who oppose this offering to Him, which is in and of its self is apostasy!
ella
ME: The name of the book is "Pagan Christianity" It is by a Frank Viola. From my understanding it has cause a stir about it. I'm going to research this guy and check out what his deal is, but so far his book seems dead on though. Not sure if i agree with all of it but I really haven't read it all yet.
Anyways, What do you think of the article all together? I assume that you at least researched the matter.
Can I get your thoughts on this regaurding the Lord's Supper...
Posted : 6 Jan, 2012 10:20 PM
Oh. Just for the record. This is one of the reasons why I believe that Jesus was slain ON the eve of the pass over.
Mat 26:2 "You know that after two days the Passover is coming, and the Son of Man will be delivered up to be crucified."
I got a nice Page explaining my view and it is from a Messianic Website.
Here.
The Festival of Unleavened Bread
(Hag HaMatzah)
By Eddie Chumney
CHAPTER 4
The Feast of Unleavened Bread (Hag HaMatzah) is the fifteenth day of the month of Nisan, which is the day following Passover (Pesach). It is a seven-day festival to the L-rd (Leviticus [Vayikra] 23:6-7; Exodus [Shemot] 12:7-8,14-17). On the fifteenth of Nisan and for the next seven days, G-d forbade the people to have any leavened bread in their houses.
The festival of Unleavened Bread can be found in Exodus (Shemot) 12:14-17, as it is written:
Now this day will be a memorial to you, and you shall celebrate it as a feast to the Lord; throughout your generations you are to celebrate it as a permanent ordinance. Seven days you shall eat unleavened bread, but on the first day you shall remove leaven from your houses; for whoever eats anything leavened from the first day until the seventh day, that person shall be cut off from Israel. And on the first day you shall have a holy assembly, and another holy assembly on the seventh day; no work at all shall be done on them, except what must be eaten by every person, that alone may be prepared by you. You shall also observe the Feast of Unleavened Bread, for on this very day I brought your hosts out of the land of Egypt; therefore you shall observe this day throughout your generations as a permanent ordinance (Exodus [Shemot] 12:14-17 NAS).
The Book of Exodus (Shemot), chapter 12, describes the Egyptian Passover. After the lamb was killed, the blood was to be put on the doorposts. The lamb was to be roasted in fire and eaten with matzah (unleavened bread) and bitter herbs (Exodus [Shemot] 12:7-8).
Purging Leaven From the House (Bedikat HaMetz)
G-d gave a ceremony of searching and removing leaven from the house prior to the festival of Unleavened Bread in preparation for the festival. In Hebrew, this ceremony is called Bedikat HaMetz, which means "the search for leaven" The ceremony is as follows:
The preparation for searching and removing the leaven (Bedikat HaMetz) from the house actually begins before Passover (Pesach). First, the wife thoroughly cleans the house to remove all leaven (HaMetz) from it. In the Bible, leaven (HaMetz) is symbolic of sin.
Spiritual Application (Halacha). Spiritually, the believers in the Messiah Yeshua are the house of G-d (Hebrews 3:6; 1 Peter 2:5; 1 Timothy 3:15; Ephesians 2:19). Leaven (sin) is to be cleaned out of our house, which is our body (1 Corinthians 3:16-17; 6:19-20; 2 Corinthians 6:15-18).
In cleaning the house, the wife is instructed to purposely leave ten small pieces of leaven (bread) in the house. Then the father takes the children, along with a candle, a wooden spoon, a feather, and a piece of linen cloth, and searches through the house for the ten pieces of leaven. By nightfall on the day before Passover (Pesach), a final and comprehensive search is performed. At this time, the house is completely dark except for the candles. Once the father finds the leaven (bread), he sets the candle down by the leaven and lays the wooden spoon beside the leaven. Then he uses the feather to sweep the leaven onto the spoon. Without touching the leaven, he takes the feather, spoon, and leaven, wraps them in a linen cloth, and casts them out of the door of the house. The next morning (the fourteenth of Nisan), he goes into the synagogue and puts the linen cloth and its contents into a fire to be burned.
Spiritual Application (Halacha). Spiritually, we are to cleanse the leaven (sin) from our houses (lives) by allowing the Holy Spirit (Ruach HaKodesh) to reveal to us, through the knowledge of Yeshua and the Scriptures, the sin that is in our lives. It is only through G-d's Word that we are able to identify sin in our lives as it is written in Psalm (Tehillim) 119:105, "Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path." So the spiritual understanding of the candle is that it represents the Word of G-d. The feather represents the Holy Spirit (Ruach HaKodesh). Even though we have the Word of G-d, we need the Spirit of G-d (Ruach HaKodesh) to illuminate the entire Bible to us, including the Torah and the Tanach (1 Corinthians 2:11-14).
Messianic Fulfillment. The spoon represents the tree that Yeshua died upon (Deuteronomy [Devarim 21:22-23). The leaven (HaMetz) (sin) was swept on the spoon (the tree) as part of the ceremony. Likewise, our sin was swept or cast upon Yeshua (2 Corinthians 5:21) when Yeshua died upon the tree. The leaven (Yeshua upon the tree) was then wrapped in linen and Yeshua was cast out of His house (His body) and went to hell, which is a place of burning (Luke 16:19-24). Thus He fulfilled the part of the ceremony where the father takes the linen cloth and its contents and casts it into the fire to be burned.
The Fifteenth of Nisan -- Purging Out of Sin
The fifteenth of Nisan (Hag HaMatzah) marks the beginning of a seven-day feast period when Israel was to eat bread without leaven (sin) in remembrance of their baking Unleavened bread in their haste to escape Egypt. The primary theme of this feast is the purging out of leaven (sin). Historically, there are two notable events that happened on this day.
The Exodus journey beginning from Egypt (Exodus [Shemot] 12:41). In Deuteronomy (Devarim) 16:3, the bread is referred to as "the bread of affliction."
The burial of Yeshua after His crucifixion, who is the Bread of Life (John [Yochanan] 6:35). In fact, the place of Yeshua's birth, Bethlehem, comes from two Hebrew words, beit and lechem. Be it means "house" and lechem means "bread." So, Bethlehem means house of bread. Therefore, Yeshua, who is the Bread of G-d, was born at a place called the house of bread.
The festivals are fixed appointments (mo'ed) of G-d specifying what He will perform and the exact time He will perform it. The Jews had to hurry to put Yeshua's body in the ground because the sabbath was drawing near. This sabbath was a high sabbath and the first day of Unleavened Bread (Nisan 15). This can be found in (John [Yochanan] 19:31). This would mean that Yeshua died on the fourteenth of Nisan, the day of Passover. Yeshua was in the sepulcher the day following His crucifixion, which was the fifteenth of Nisan, the first day of Unleavened Bread.
The Messianic Understanding of the Matzah
in the Passover Seder
One of the 15 steps during the Passover Seder is a step called Yachatz. Yachatz is when the middle of the three matzot is broken into two. During the Passover Seder, there is a bag called the matzatosh which contains three pieces of matzot. The middle piece of matzot is removed, broken, wrapped in linen, and buried. This piece of matzah is the afikomen. During this part of the service, the afikomen was removed from sight (this represented Yeshua being buried) and it remained hidden until later in the service. Yeshua is the bread that was buried because He is the Bread of Life who came down from Heaven (John [Yochanan] 6:35). Yeshua was removed from between the two thieves who were crucified with Him (Matthew [Mattityahu] 27:38), wrapped in linen, and buried in the earth (Matthew 27:59-60).
Toward the end of the Passover Seder, the twelfth step to the service is called Tzafun. During Tzafun, the afikomen that was previously buried is redeemed and ransomed. At this point in the service, the matzah, previously characterized as the bread of affliction, is now transformed and redeemed. This is a perfect picture of Yeshua, who fulfilled the role of the suffering Messiah known as Messiah ben Yosef. He suffered affliction while dying on the tree, but was later redeemed when He was resurrected by G-d the Father. In the Passover Seder service, the afikomen is redeemed by the children. The children who find the buried afikomen receives a gift. This gift is known as "the promise of the father". Likewise, when G-d resurrected Yeshua after He was buried in the earth, those who believed upon Him by faith (emunah) are given gifts by G-d. When Yeshua ascended to Heaven, He gave gifts to men (Ephesians 4:7-8). These gifts included righteousness (Romans 5:17-18), eternal life (Romans 6:23), grace (Romans 5:12,14-15), faith (Ephesians 2:8-9), and other spiritual gifts (1 Corinthians 12:1,4). Some other gifts include wisdom, knowledge, healing, the working of miracles, prophecy, the discerning of spirits, tongues, and interpretation of tongues (1 Corinthians 12:8-11), in addition to the gifts of helps and administration (l Corinthians 12:28).
The Feast of Unleavened Bread in the Bible
The Feast of Unleavened Bread was so much a part of Passover (Pesach) that the names of Passover and Unleavened Bread were used interchangeably or almost synonymously (Luke 22:1).
The feast was to be kept seven days (Exodus [Shemot] 12:15-19). The number seven is the biblical number for completion or fullness. The believer who keeps this feast is to keep it fully unto the L-rd and set himself aside completely to Him. The Feast of Unleavened Bread speaks of complete separation from all things that are leavened (sinful) and feeding upon Yeshua, who is the believer's bread (John [Yochanan] 6:32-36,38).
The Feast of Unleavened Bread (Hag HaMatzah) is a high sabbath day. A high sabbath in Hebrew is called a shabbaton. During Passover, there is an extra sabbath besides the weekly sabbath. These sabbaths are called high sabbaths. The high sabbath of Unleavened Bread can be seen in John 19:31.
Unleavened bread is used for consecration and separation. It is also anointed with oil. The believers in the Messiah Yeshua are to be consecrated and separated to do the work G-d has called us to do and to live a life that is holy to Him. If we do this, the anointing of the Holy Spirit (Ruach HaKodesh) of G-d will rest upon our lives.
a) The bread represents consecration (Leviticus [Vayikra] 8:1-2,26-27;
Exodus [Shemot] 29:2-23).
b) It was included in the sacred vow of separation of the Nazarites
(Numbers [Bamidbar] 6:1-21).
c) It was the food for the priests in the meal and peace offering
d) It marked Israel's divine separation from Egypt's (the world's) life of slavery and bondage (Exodus [Shemot] 12:17,30-34).
e) All leaven was to be put away (Exodus [Shemot] 12:15,19-20). When leaven or yeast is placed in an unleavened batch of dough, the leaven puffs up the dough. Likewise, when we allow sin into our lives, it will puff us up in pride and arrogance.
In the Bible, G-d referred to the leaven of different groups of people. These are listed as follows:
The leaven of Herod (Mark 8:14-15; 6:14-18; Matthew [Mattityahu] 2:7-12).
The leaven of the Pharisees (Mark 8:15; Matthew [Mattityahu] 16:5-12; 23:1-3; Luke 11:37-44; 12:1.
The leaven of the Sadducees (Matthew [Mattityahu] 16:6-12). The Sadducees did not believe in the supernatural. They denied the existence of the Spirit of G-d, angels, and the resurrection (Mark 12:18; Acts 23:6-8).
The leaven at Corinth. The leaven at Corinth was sensuality, chiefly fornication (1 Corinthians 4:17-21; 5:1-13; 6:1,9-11,13,16-18; 8:1; 13:4; 2 Corinthians 12:20-21).
How to Keep the Feast
Spiritual Application (Halacha). Spiritually, the feast is kept in sincerity and truth. Sincerity involves purity and serving G-d with a pure heart. It involves putting away the sin in our lives, and separating ourselves from all evil that has a corrupting influence in the life of the believer in Yeshua. Historically, Israel learned that keeping the feast meant a complete separation from Egypt's religion, bondage, food, and slavery, as well as its worldly glory, wisdom, and splendor.
The children of Israel took the dough before it was leavened because they could not tarry in Egypt. There was no time to let the leaven get in and work up the dough (Exodus [Shemot] 12:34,39). As believers, we are to flee the world's ways and philosophies that are contrary to the Word of G-d. Sincerity (1 Corinthians 5:7-8) involves purity and sanctification, which means holiness and separation. The Bible uses water and washing to instruct us concerning sanctification and separation (Joshua [Yehoshua] 24:14; Ephesians 5:26; 6:24; Philippians 1:10; 1 Peter [Kefa] 2:2). To sanctify means to make holy, to purify, or to consecrate. The believers are sanctified by obeying the entire Word of G-d, including the Torah and the Tanach (John 17:17,19; Acts 20:32; 2 Chronicles 30:15; 35:1,6; Exodus [Shemot] 19:10,14; 28:39-41; Leviticus [Vayikra] 8:30; 11:44; 20:7; Hebrews 10:10,14; 1 Corinthians 1:2).
In First Corinthians 6:11, sanctification is connected to washing (Acts 22:16). Historically, after Israel celebrated the Passover, they were immersed (washed) in the water of the Red Sea (1 Corinthians 10:1-2). Likewise, after we accept the Messiah into our lives, we must immerse ourselves in studying the Bible and, by so doing, enable the knowledge of the Word of G-d to transform and change our lives.
Can I get your thoughts on this regaurding the Lord's Supper...
Posted : 7 Jan, 2012 07:21 AM
Hello Agapeton
I have completed the last article you have posted.
I have a question about a certain section concerning Yeshua having been 'REDEEMED' to GOD by way of the resurrection.
Toward the end of the Passover Seder, the twelfth step to the service is called Tzafun. During Tzafun, the afikomen that was previously buried is redeemed and ransomed. At this point in the service, the matzah, previously characterized as the bread of affliction, is now transformed and redeemed. This is a perfect picture of Yeshua, who fulfilled the role of the suffering Messiah known as Messiah ben Yosef.
My question is this:
Where in the WORD does YHWH say He will REDEEM Mesiah with the resurrection.
He suffered affliction while dying on the tree, but was later redeemed when He was resurrected by G-d the Father.
In the Passover Seder service, the afikomen is redeemed by the children. The children who find the buried afikomen receives a gift. This gift is known as "the promise of the father". Likewise, when G-d resurrected Yeshua after He was buried in the earth, those who believed upon Him by faith (emunah) are given gifts by G-d. When Yeshua ascended to Heaven, He gave gifts to men (Ephesians 4:7-8). These gifts included righteousness (Romans 5:17-18), eternal life (Romans 6:23), grace (Romans 5:12,14-15), faith (Ephesians 2:8-9), and other spiritual gifts (1 Corinthians 12:1,4). Some other gifts include wisdom, knowledge, healing, the working of miracles, prophecy, the discerning of spirits, tongues, and interpretation of tongues (1 Corinthians 12:8-11), in addition to the gifts of helps and administration (l Corinthians 12:28).
Can I get your thoughts on this regaurding the Lord's Supper...
Posted : 7 Jan, 2012 07:51 AM
Can I get your thoughts on this regaurding the Lord's Supper...
Posted : 7 Jan, 2012 07:21 AM
Hello Agapeton
I have completed the last article you have posted.
I have a question about a certain section concerning Yeshua having been 'REDEEMED' to GOD by way of the resurrection.
Toward the end of the Passover Seder, the twelfth step to the service is called Tzafun. During Tzafun, the afikomen that was previously buried is redeemed and ransomed. At this point in the service, the matzah, previously characterized as the bread of affliction, is now transformed and redeemed. This is a perfect picture of Yeshua, who fulfilled the role of the suffering Messiah known as Messiah ben Yosef.
My question is this:
Where in the WORD does YHWH say He will REDEEM Mesiah with the resurrection.
He suffered affliction while dying on the tree, but was later redeemed when He was resurrected by G-d the Father.
In the Passover Seder service, the afikomen is redeemed by the children. The children who find the buried afikomen receives a gift. This gift is known as "the promise of the father". Likewise, when G-d resurrected Yeshua after He was buried in the earth, those who believed upon Him by faith (emunah) are given gifts by G-d. When Yeshua ascended to Heaven, He gave gifts to men (Ephesians 4:7-8). These gifts included righteousness (Romans 5:17-18), eternal life (Romans 6:23), grace (Romans 5:12,14-15), faith (Ephesians 2:8-9), and other spiritual gifts (1 Corinthians 12:1,4). Some other gifts include wisdom, knowledge, healing, the working of miracles, prophecy, the discerning of spirits, tongues, and interpretation of tongues (1 Corinthians 12:8-11), in addition to the gifts of helps and administration (l Corinthians 12:28).
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Posted : 7 Jan, 2012 09:37 AM
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Posted : 7 Jan, 2012 07:21 AM
Hello Agapeton
I have completed the last article you have posted.
I have a question about a certain section concerning Yeshua having been 'REDEEMED' to GOD by way of the resurrection.
Toward the end of the Passover Seder, the twelfth step to the service is called Tzafun. During Tzafun, the afikomen that was previously buried is redeemed and ransomed. At this point in the service, the matzah, previously characterized as the bread of affliction, is now transformed and redeemed. This is a perfect picture of Yeshua, who fulfilled the role of the suffering Messiah known as Messiah ben Yosef.
My question is this:
Where in the WORD does YHWH say He will REDEEM Mesiah with the resurrection.
ME: READ THE WORD BROTHER!
As it is WRITTEN:
Act 2:21 And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.'
Act 2:22 "Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a man attested to you by God with mighty works and wonders and signs that God did through him in your midst, as you yourselves know--
Act 2:23 this Jesus, delivered up according to the definite plan and foreknowledge of God, you crucified and killed by the hands of lawless men.
Act 2:24 God raised him up, loosing the pangs of death, because it was not possible for him to be held by it.
Act 2:25 For David says concerning him, "'I saw the Lord always before me, for he is at my right hand that I may not be shaken;
Act 2:26 therefore my heart was glad, and my tongue rejoiced; my flesh also will dwell in hope.
Act 2:27 For you will not abandon my soul to Hades, or let your Holy One see corruption.
Act 2:28 You have made known to me the paths of life; you will make me full of gladness with your presence.'
Act 2:29 "Brothers, I may say to you with confidence about the patriarch David that he both died and was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day.
Can I get your thoughts on this regaurding the Lord's Supper...
Posted : 7 Jan, 2012 05:32 PM
Farmer writes
My question is this:
Where in the WORD does YHWH say He will REDEEM Mesiah with the resurrection.
Agapeton
ME: READ THE WORD BROTHER!
As it is WRITTEN:
Act 2:21 And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.'
Act 2:22 "Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a man attested to you by God with mighty works and wonders and signs that God did through him in your midst, as you yourselves know--
Act 2:23 this Jesus, delivered up according to the definite plan and foreknowledge of God, you crucified and killed by the hands of lawless men.
Act 2:24 God raised him up, loosing the pangs of death, because it was not possible for him to be held by it.
Act 2:25 For David says concerning him, "'I saw the Lord always before me, for he is at my right hand that I may not be shaken;
Act 2:26 therefore my heart was glad, and my tongue rejoiced; my flesh also will dwell in hope.
Act 2:27 For you will not abandon my soul to Hades, or let your Holy One see corruption.
Act 2:28 You have made known to me the paths of life; you will make me full of gladness with your presence.'
Act 2:29 "Brothers, I may say to you with confidence about the patriarch David that he both died and was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day.
Any questions?
Can you REASON that out, brother?
Farmer
According to the article you had posted earlier the writer says Yeshua was 'REDEEMED'
Toward the end of the Passover Seder, the twelfth step to the service is called Tzafun. During Tzafun, the afikomen that was previously buried is redeemed and ransomed.
Farmer
When was Yeshua redeemed,and Who REDEEMED Yeshua.
At this point in the service, the matzah, previously characterized as the bread of affliction, is now transformed and redeemed. This is a perfect picture of Yeshua, who fulfilled the role of the suffering Messiah known as Messiah ben Yosef. He suffered affliction while dying on the tree, but was later redeemed when He was resurrected by G-d the Father.
Messiah is the REDEEMER of my soul.
Yes,i am able to so,yet the Scriptures in Acts does not say that Messiah was 'Reedemed'.
English-Redeemed
Hebrew-gaal
to redeem, act as kinsman
Original Word: גָּאַל
Transliteration: gaal
Phonetic Spelling: (gaw-al')
Short Definition: redeemed
Word Origin
a prim. root
Definition
to redeem, act as kinsman
NASB Word Usage
avenger (13), bought back (1), buy back (1), claim (1), close relative (3), closest relative (3), closest relatives (1), ever wish to redeem (2), kinsman (2), redeem (22), redeemed (25), redeemer (1), Redeemer (18), redeems (1), relative (2), relatives (1), rescue (1), wishes to redeem (1).
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in any wise, at all, avenger, deliver, next kinsfolk, purchase,
A primitive root, to redeem (according to the Oriental law of kinship), i.e. To be the next of kin (and as such to buy back a relative's property, marry his widow, etc.) -- X in any wise, X at all, avenger, deliver, (do, perform the part of near, next) kinsfolk(-man), purchase, ransom, redeem(-er), revenger.
English-Redeemed
Greek-exagoraz�
exagoraz�: to buy up, i.e. ransom, fig. to rescue from loss
Original Word: ἐξαγοράζω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: exagoraz�
Phonetic Spelling: (ex-ag-or-ad'-zo)
Short Definition: I ransom, redeem
Definition: I buy out, buy away from, ransom; mid: I purchase out, buy, redeem, choose.
1805 eksagor�zō (from 1537 /ek, "completely out from" which intensifies 59 /agor�zō, "buy-up at the marketplace") � properly, take full advantage of, seizing a buying-opportunity, i.e. making the most of the present opportunity (recognizing its future gain). Note the prefix (ek) which lends the meaning, "out and out," "fully" (WS, 917.)
My question is this:
What sin did Yesuha have for Him to be needing to be REDEEMED
Who paid the price of 'REDEEMING' Yeshua.
Joh 10:17 For this reason My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life, that I may take it again.
Joh 10:18 No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down from Myself. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it again. I received this commandment from My Father.
Can I get your thoughts on this regaurding the Lord's Supper...
Posted : 9 Jan, 2012 04:08 AM
POIC, The Father promised the Son redemption from death. The whole theme of the Bible is how death came into the word, ruled it, and got defeated. It is the first thing that was spoken of in Genesis and the last thing that was mentioned in Revelation. That is the whole point, bro.
That is why Peter quotes Psalm 16 in Acts. The whole crux of the matter ios that God is speaking of the Messiah's redemption and that redemption is also our now. That is why Peter Reference Psa. 16:10 to the Christ. Look at Psa. 6. It is basically what Jesus said at the garden. Look at Psa 6:4-5. That was the Messiah asking the Father for resurrection from death and hell because through that God redeemed the Messiah (and us in Him) Psa 30:9; 88:11; Isa. 38:18; 17:15
