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Admin	Quote in Misinterpreting Rev.3:20 Posted : 18 Dec, 2011 04:06 PM "If you believe Jesus stands knocking at the door of the human heart, then you make sovereign the one who answers the door. I prayerfully long for the day when pastors, evangelists, and Christians in general will stop proclaiming a man-centered gospel by misusing Revelation 3:20 and drawing an emotional and often-times false response from the hearer. Jesus is not standing at the locked door of any sin-corroded human heart, longing to be let in. Jesus doesn't need the acceptance of anyone. Everyone needs His. The context of the before-mentioned verse finds Jesus not speaking to the unsaved, but to a disobedient church. It is not an evangelistic verse, nor should it be used as such. Jesus never asked anyone to let Him come into their heart. He commanded people to repent and believe the gospel. And those who repent and believe the gospel--by the grace of God alone, through faith alone, in Jesus Christ alone--will be saved." (Tony Miano) Post Reply
View Profile History	Quote in Misinterpreting Rev.3:20 Posted : 18 Dec, 2011 05:26 PM In Revelations 3:14-22 we see a message from Jesus to the church at Laodicea in AD 96. However, according to Rev 3:16-18 most of the people in the Laodicean church were unsaved: Jesus said, "Because you are lukewarm--neither hot nor cold--I am about to spit you out of My mouth. You say, "I am rich and do not need a thing." But you do not realize that you are wretched, poor, blind and naked. I counsel you to buy from Me gold refined in the fire, so you can become rich, and white clothes to wear, so you can cover your shameful nakedness, and salve to put on your eyes so you can see!"...."Here I am am I stand at the door and knock. If anyone opens the door, I will come in and eat with him and he with Me. To him who overcomes I will give the right to sit with Me on My throne." Post Reply
View Profile History	Quote in Misinterpreting Rev.3:20 Posted : 18 Dec, 2011 05:36 PM Jesus said to the Laodicean Chruch in Revelation 3:16 "I am about to spit you out of My mouth." Jesus does not spit born again Christians out of His mouth! Post Reply
View Profile History	Quote in Misinterpreting Rev.3:20 Posted : 18 Dec, 2011 06:45 PM Yes James the context is to believers but it is jsut as true to the lost that is always the heart of the father. Post Reply
elishabroadway View Profile History	Quote in Misinterpreting Rev.3:20 Posted : 18 Dec, 2011 08:31 PM Thank you passed over!! The Laodacians were lost!!!! the scripture proves that Jesus died for all! I want to add that eating is part of a covenant! When Jesus said I will come in and sup with you that means he will have a covenant with you when you open the door to him, I dont see how you can misunderstand that scripture!!! yes the LAODACIAN S the ones Jesus said he will spew out of his mouth!!! UNSAVED!! wow it always amazes me how people can be so blind to what scripture is saying Post Reply
dljrn04 View Profile History	Quote in Misinterpreting Rev.3:20 Posted : 19 Dec, 2011 05:59 AM Great post, thank you James. Pride runs rampant in the church today. From pew to pew people believe themselves more highly than God. They can choose what they want and still see glory someday. One day God will make every knee bow and every tongue confess he is Lord not self. Post Reply
View Profile History	Quote in Misinterpreting Rev.3:20 Posted : 19 Dec, 2011 07:57 AM Just so we can make it clear when one deny's the word of God, the truth of any scripture rejecting it's ability to illuminate the human heart that is pride. Reformed Theology is steeped in pride with no element of humulity, and that is not a congrregation of people that the Holy Spirit will abide with. Post Reply
View Profile History	Quote in Misinterpreting Rev.3:20 Posted : 19 Dec, 2011 09:42 AM TONY MIANO????:zzzz:...GET REAL JAMES AND DONNA:nahnah:.. STOP denying the TRUTH of God's Word, just to be in agreement with a person who has NO SPIRITUAL REVELLATION, CONCEPT OR ONSIGHTS into God's Word, soemthing is seriously wrong with the present you present, DISPUTING GOD'S TRUTH JUST TO BE IN AGREEMENT WITH ANOTHER CALVINIST! COMPROMISING GOD'S WORD IS A SIN! Learn to discern truth from a lie, if you are in Christ Jesus!No matter who speaks it if its a lie speak out against it, if its the truth of what God says, speak up for it! Miano and you BOTH ARE IN ERROR OF GOD'S TRUTH! Here is what GOD SAYS IN HIS WORD, That Miano and you guys have need to spiritually LISTEN to and HEARD WITH YOUR EARS: Roman 10:5 Moses writes this about the righteousness that is by the law: �The person who does these things will live by them.� But the righteousness that is by FAITH says: �Do not say in your HEART, �Who will ascend into heaven?�� (that is, to bring Christ down) �or �Who will descend into the deep?��[c] (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead). But what does it say? �The word is near you; IT IS IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART', that is, the message concerning faith that we proclaim: If you declare with your mouth, �Jesus is Lord,� and BELIEVE IN YOUR HEART that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. FOR IT IS WITH YOUR HEART that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved. 11 As Scripture says, �Anyone who believes(WITH THEIR HEART) in him will never be put to shame. COMMENTARIES BY CHOSEN MEN OF GOD: ALBERT BARNES- REVELATION 3:Verse 20. Behold, I stand at the door, and knock. Intimating that, though they had erred, the way of repentance and hope was not closed against them. He was still willing to be gracious, though their conduct had been such as to be loathsome, Revelation 3:16. To see the real force of this language, we must remember how disgusting and offensive their conduct had been to him. And yet he was willing, notwithstanding this, to receive them to his favour; nay more, he stood and pleaded with them that he might be received with the hospitality that would be shown to a friend or stranger. The language here is so plain that it scarcely needs explanation. It is taken from an act when we approach a dwelling, and, by a well-understood sign--knocking--announce our presence, and ask for admission. The act of knocking implies two things: (a) that we desire admittance; and (b) that we recognise the right of him who dwells in the house to open the door to us or not, as he shall please. We would not obtrude upon him; we would not force his door; and if, after we are sure that we are heard, we are not admitted, we turn quietly away. Both of these things are implied here by the language used by the Saviour when he approaches man as represented under the image of knocking at the door: that he desires to be admitted to our friendship; and that he recognises our freedom in the matter. He does not obtrude himself upon us, nor does he employ force to find admission to the heart. If admitted, he comes and dwells with us; if rejected, he turns quietly away--perhaps to return and knock again, perhaps never to come back. The language here used, also, may be understood as applicable to all persons, and to all the methods by which the Saviour seeks to come into the heart of a sinner. It would properly refer to anything which would announce his presence:--his word; his Spirit; the solemn events of his Providence; the invitations of his gospel. In these and in other methods he comes to man; and the manner in which these invitations ought to be estimated would be seen by supposing that he came to us personally and solicited our friendship, and proposed to be our Redeemer. It may be added here, that this expression proves that the attempt at reconciliation begins with the Saviour. It is not that the sinner goes out to meet him, or to seek for him; it is that the Saviour presents himself at the door of the heart as if he were desirous to enjoy the friendship of man. This is in accordance with the uniform language of the New Testament, that "God so loved the world as to give his only-begotten Son;" that "Christ came to seek and to save the lost;" that the Saviour says, "Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden," etc. Salvation, in the Scriptures, is never represented as originated by man. If any man hear my voice. Perhaps referring to a custom then prevailing, that he who knocked spake, in order to let it be known who it was. This might be demanded in the night, (Luke 11:5) or when there was apprehension of danger, and it may have been the custom when John wrote. The language here, in accordance with the uniform usage in the Scriptures, (compare Isaiah 55:1; John 7:37; Revelation 22:17) is universal, and proves that the invitations of the gospel are made, and are to be made, not to a part only, but fully and freely to all men; for, although this originally had reference to the members of the church in Laodicea, yet the language chosen seems to have been of design so universal (~ean tiv~) as to be applicable to every human being; and any one, of any age and in any land, would be authorized to apply this to himself, and, under the protection of this invitation to come to the Saviour, and to plead this promise as one that fairly included himself. It may be observed farther, that this also recognises the freedom of man. It is submitted to him whether he will hear the voice of the Redeemer or not; and whether he will open the door and admit him or not. He speaks loud enough, and distinctly enough, to be heard, but he does not force the door if it is not voluntarily opened. And open the door. As one would when a stranger or friend stood and knocked. The meaning here is simply, if any one will admit me; that is, receive me as a friend. The act of receiving him is as voluntary on our part as it is when we rise and open the door to one who knocks. It may be added, (1.) that this is an easy thing. Nothing is more easy than to open the door when one knocks; and so everywhere in the Scriptures it is represented as an easy thing, if the heart is willing, to secure the salvation of the soul. (2.) This is a reasonable thing. We invite him who knocks at the door to come in. We always assume, unless there is reason to suspect the contrary, that he applies for peaceful and friendly purposes. We deem it the height of rudeness to let one stand and knock long; or to let him go away with no friendly invitation to enter our dwelling. Yet how differently does the sinner treat the Saviour! How long does he suffer him to knock at the door of his heart, with no invitation to enter--no act of common civility such as that with which he would greet even a stranger! And with how much coolness and indifference does he see him turn away--perhaps to come back no more, and with no desire that he ever should return! I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. This is an image denoting intimacy and friendship. Supper, with the ancients, was the principal social meal; and the idea here is, that between the Saviour and those who would receive him, there would be the intimacy which subsists between those who sit down to a friendly meal together. In all countries and times, to eat together, to break bread together, has been the symbol of friendship, and this the Saviour promises here. The truths, then, which are taught in this verse, are (1) that the invitation of the gospel is made to all--"if any man hear my voice;" (2) that the movement towards reconciliation and friendship is originated by the Saviour--"behold, I stand at the door and knock;" (3) that there is a recognition of our own free agency in religion--"if any man will hear my voice, and open the door;" (4) the ease of the terms of salvation, represented by "hearing his voice," and "opening the door;" and (5) the blessedness of thus admitting him, arising from his friendship--"I will sup with him, and he with me." What friend can man have who would confer so many benefits on him as the Lord Jesus Christ? Who is there that he should so gladly welcome to his bosom? COMMENTARY BY ADAM CLARKE: REVELATION 3: Verse 20. Behold, I stand at the door and knock - There are many sayings of this kind among the ancient rabbins; thus in Shir Hashirim Rabba, fol. 25,1: "God said to the Israelites, My children, open to me one door of repentance, even so wide as the eye of a needle, and I will open to you doors through which calves and horned cattle may pass." In Sohar Levit, fol. 8, col. 32, it is said: "If a man conceal his sin, and do not open it before the holy King, although he ask mercy, yet the door of repentance shall not be opened to him. But if he open it before the holy blessed God, God spares him, and mercy prevails over wrath; and when he laments, although all the doors were shut, yet they shall be opened to him, and his prayer shall be heard." Christ stands-waits long, at the door of the sinner's heart; he knocks-uses judgments, mercies, reproofs, exhortations, induce sinners to repent and turn to him; he lifts up his voice-calls loudly by his word, ministers, and Spirit. If any man hear - If the sinner will seriously consider his state, and attend to the voice of his Lord. And open the door - This must be his own act, receiving power for this purpose from his offended Lord, who will not break open the door; he will make no forcible entry. I will come in to him - I will manifest myself to him, heal all his backslidings, pardon all his iniquities, and love him freely. Will sup with him - Hold communion with him, feed him with the bread of life. And he with me. - I will bring him at last to dwell with me in everlasting glory. Post Reply
dljrn04 View Profile History	Quote in Misinterpreting Rev.3:20 Posted : 19 Dec, 2011 11:01 AM [1.] Christ is graciously pleased by his word and Spirit to come to the door of the heart of sinners; he draws near to them in a way of mercy, ready to make them a kind visit. [2.] He finds this door shut against him; the heart of man is by nature shut up against Christ by ignorance, unbelief, sinful prejudices. [3.] When he finds the heart shut, he does not immediately withdraw, but he waits to be gracious, even till his head be filled with the dew. [4.] He uses all proper means to awaken sinners, and to cause them to open to him: he calls by his word, he knocks by the impulses of his Spirit upon their conscience. [5.] Those who open to him shall enjoy his presence, to their great comfort and advantage. He will sup with them; he will accept of what is good in them; he will eat his pleasant fruit; and he will bring the best part of the entertainment with him. If what he finds would make but a poor feast, what he brings will make up the deficiency: he will give fresh supplies of graces and comforts, and thereby stir up fresh actings of faith, and love, and delight; and in all this Christ and his repenting people will enjoy pleasant communion with each other. Alas! what do careless obstinate sinners lose by refusing to open the door of the heart to Christ!III. We now come to the conclusion of this epistle; and here we have as before,1. The promise made to the overcoming believer. It is here implied, (1.) That though this church seemed to be wholly overrun and overcome with lukewarmness and self-confidence, yet it was possible that by the reproofs and counsels of Christ they might be inspired with fresh zeal and vigour, and might come off conquerors in their spiritual warfare. (2.) That, if they did so, all former faults should be forgiven, and they should have a great reward. And what is that reward? They shall sit down with me on my throne, as I also overcame, and have sat down with my Father on his throne, v. 21. Here it is intimated, [1.] That Christ himself had met with his temptations and conflicts. [2.] That he overcame them all, and was more than a conqueror. [3.] That, as the reward of his conflict and victory, he has sat down with God the Father on his throne, possessed of that glory which he had with the Father from eternity, but which he was pleased very much to conceal on earth, leaving it as it were in the hands of the Father, as a pledge that he would fulfil the work of a Saviour before he reassumed that manifestative glory; and, having done so, then pignus reposcere�he demands the pledge, to appear in his divine glory equal to the Father. [4.] That those who are conformed to Christ in his trials and victories shall be conformed to him in his glory; they shall sit down with him on his throne, on his throne of judgment at the end of the world, on his throne of glory to all eternity, shining in his beams by virtue of their union with him and relation to him, as the mystical body of which he is the head.2. All is closed up with the general demand of attention (v. 22), putting all to whom these epistles shall come in mind that what is contained in them is not of private interpretation, not intended for the instruction, reproof, and correction of those particular churches only, but of all the churches of Christ in all ages and parts of the world: and as there will be a resemblance in all succeeding churches to these, both in their graces and sins, so they may expect that God will deal with them as he dealt with these, which are patterns to all ages what faithful, and fruitful churches may expect to receive from God, and what those who are unfaithful may expect to suffer from his hand; yea, that God�s dealings with his churches may afford useful instruction to the rest of the world, to put them upon considering, If judgment begin at the house of God, what shall the end of those be that do not obey the gospel of Christ? 1 Pt. 4:17 . Thus end the messages of Christ to the Asian churches, the epistolary part of this book. We now come to the prophetical part. http://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/matthew-henry-complete/revelation/3.html?p=7 Post Reply
View Profile History	Quote in Misinterpreting Rev.3:20 Posted : 19 Dec, 2011 11:52 AM Ok Donna... you have posted Matthew Henry's commentary on Revelation 3:20.. so please exlain what he is saying here that you have posted? Post Reply
View Profile History	Quote in Misinterpreting Rev.3:20 Posted : 19 Dec, 2011 12:18 PM Donna, I'm afriad sweetheart, YOUR PRIDE that you speak others have has overcome you in this matter, because you refuse to see that you are agreeing with error in spiritually understanding God's Word of Truth, and revelation of Scriptures according to what God speaks.. And God will also EXPOSE ERROR. I realize and know that you and James both love the Lord, but you are both defending error in teachings of God's word and rejecting His truth, standing in agreement with those who DO NOT KNOW GOD'S WORD, NOR IS THE HOLY SPIRIT GIVING SUCH PEOPLE HIS WISDOM AND INSIGHT INTO HIS WORD.. You DEFEND CALVIN'S OR YOUR TEACHERS incorrect teaching and doctrines, rather than know God's word for yourselves through the power and revealtion fo the Holy Spirit. And you DO NOT defend SOUND DOCTRINE AND TEACHING of the Scriptures, by submitting to the Holy Spirit to give you HIS UNDERSTANIDNG OF THE WORD.... Its very OBVIOUS YOU DID NOT READ what Henry is speaking about here nor do you spiritually understand what he is speaking... had you READ the commentary you would have found what The Spirit of the Lord is speaking, and would not disagree... Let those who have EARS TO HEAR, HEAR WHAT THE SPRIT OF THE LROD SPEAKS... Matthew Henry COMMENTARY ON REVELATION 3:20 (2.) If they would comply with his admonitions, he was ready to make them good to their souls: Behold, I stand at the door and knock, &c., Revelation 3:20. Here observe, [1.] Christ is graciously pleased by his word and Spirit to come to the DOOR OF SINNERS; he draws near to them in a way of mercy, ready to make them a kind visit. [2.] He finds this door shut against him; the heart of man is by nature shut up against Christ by ignorance, unbelief, sinful prejudices. [3.] When he finds the heart shut, he does not immediately withdraw, but he waits to be gracious, even till his head be filled with the dew. [4.] He uses all proper means to awaken sinners, and to cause them to open to him: he calls by his word, he knocks by the impulses of his Spirit upon their conscience. [5.] Those who OPEN TO HIM shall enjoy his presence, to their great comfort and advantage. He will sup with them; he will accept of what is good in them; he will eat his pleasant fruit; and he will bring the best part of the entertainment with him. If what he finds would make but a poor feast, what he brings will make up the deficiency: he will give fresh supplies of graces and comforts, and thereby stir up fresh actings of faith, and love, and delight; and in all this Christ and his repenting people will enjoy pleasant communion with each other. Alas! what do careless obstinate sinners lose by REFUSING TO OPEN THE DOOR OF THE HEART TO CHRIST! Post Reply

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