Thread: A wifes submission, the beauty and good it brings.
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A wifes submission, the beauty and good it brings.
Posted : 20 Aug, 2012 03:52 AM
Brothers and Sisters,
We get all confused as to what submission is in the bible, right?
I was just posting on a thread and I had to hit the submit button. Anyone here have to hit the submit button as well?
What are we doing when we hit the submit button?
We are offering freely our thoughts and feeling on a certain topic, right?
It makes sense now and this has been my sucess in my relationship my with feincee.
She offers her advice , opinion, feelings etc to me and because I love her I consider and listen to her submitted thoughts.
Could submission be as simple as this? YES
But also from a mans point validating her submitted thoughts and from her point submitting thoughts that will easily be recieved.
Many times we out of our great need to be heard try to force our thoughts on another. This is not submission. Like here their are guidelines we are called to follow in comunicating.
For me in my relationship I want to hear her thoughts because i love her. My problem is that she many times holds back on her thoughts because she is fearful of hurting me. She tries to protect me from her feelings. I had this problem with my previous relationship.
This time I am a strong man and once she shares with me I (do not) react out of pride or feeling of rejection to her and can show her compassion and love instead.
Whenever she withholds sharing with me, she limits my being able to express love to her in what she is feeling.
Also God has called a mans wife to be his helper and if she holds back in submitting her thoughts how can she be his help?Being a Husbands helper is not going and doing it by your self. That breakes down unity and seperates you from oneanother.
But women have to remember your words need to come to us with ((((((respect)))))))). Many times your words come in derission or in a form of a command. When you come to a man without respect you will never be heard but you will only push away the man you seek to help. Your attitude toward him is everything.
This I believe is the leading cause of abuse in relationships a woman who does not know how to approace a wounded man. Women who put their men on the defense and ultimatly at war with you.
Its the difference between telling ( trying to be powerful over him) or in submission( gently submitting your advice and thoughts) A angry abusive man is a man who has been belittled all of his life and his wife belittles him as well. A abusive man is so insecure and despretly needs help from a good woman, his wife.
His abuse is his way to feel powerful because deep down in side he feels powerless. But he is to afraid to look at his powerlessness. If you ladies understood the motive behind abuse maybe you could be a better helper to him.
Its not to late to be his helper, The helper God has called you to be...
You can go to your man and ask forgiveness for your continues rejection of him and ask forgiveness for your dissrespect to him.
Men you need to go to your wife and ask forgiveness for being abusive due to your insecurities and weakness.
If a Husband or wife starts here, their is hope for you. If you need further help just ask me and i would love to do so.
A wifes submission, the beauty and good it brings.
Posted : 29 Aug, 2012 06:50 AM
I started a thread btw, asking women if they would want a husband who began teaching things he could not show from the word. Not one of them wanted a husband who did that. Is that not enough?
A wifes submission, the beauty and good it brings.
Posted : 29 Aug, 2012 07:11 AM
I am opining my Post back up to ask a question to the Ladies of this site. ( Only ladies Please )
In Ephesian 6:1 You have Paul writing to children to obey their parents. The Word he uses is below.
hoop-ak-oo'-o
From G5259 and G191; to hear under (as a subordinate), that is, to listen attentively; by implication to heed or conform to a command or authority:�hearken, be obedient to, obey.
In Ephesians 5:22 You have Paul writing to wives to submit to their husbands. The word he uses is below.
hoop-ot-as'-so
From G5259 and G5021; to subordinate; reflexively to obey:�be under obedience (obedient), put under, subdue unto, (be, make) subject (to, unto), be (put) in subjection (to, under), submit self unto.
It seems the popular thinking that these terms apply the same in both situations with a wife and a child even though Paul gives us differing words with slightly differing meanings but close.
If you think about it Ladies a husband who has the athority to make the final decisions can make whatever decisions he wants, right?
And you have to obey him, Right?
Even if your husband makes a selfish decision you have to obey, this is according to modern thinking, right?
Is this Godly thinking? Does this bring unity in a marriage? Would this make you feel safe and loved Ladies? Does this build trust , Ladies?
Or
A husband who determines that all decisions will be joint decisions and the tie breakers are in Gods hands. A husband who gives athority to be unified with his wife in living life together. Are we not one day going to rule and rein with Christ?
Please Ladies only.....
I would love to hear your thoughts Ladies.
In care you my sisters,
Michael
Another question for you ladies. ( Ladies only please)
Some have said that Amos 3:3 Which say's "can two walk together unless they be agreed."
Thinking agree means Apointment.
Now ladies when you make an apointment with your doctor or with the school your children attend, etc.....
Arent you agreeing with your doctors office to meet at a certain time and do such and such?
So I would ask you ladies is not an apointment and agreeing the same thing?
A wifes submission, the beauty and good it brings.
Posted : 29 Aug, 2012 07:15 AM
You're reaching...and you know you can't defend it so you ask for ladies only. You really expect them to believe that "making an appointment" and "agreeing" are the same thing? Have some respect for the women here. Stop trying to lead them with your fantasies about what you think a marriage should be. You've already admitted that you cannot defend your view with scripture. You posted the meaning of hupotasso, which means to be subject to. Then you say, BUT isn't this mean and division causing. That's not the question. The question is and always will be, what is biblical. It's time you start respecting the women here. If you want to lead your wife-to-be away from the truth fine. Stop trying to confuse the others. It shows a level of immaturity in your Christian life. Despite what you think, none of my posts in here have been with the intention of being mean to you. I'm just sick of your lack of care for the truth. Your vain imaginations about what you wish the scriptures would say are irrelevant. It is sinning to know that the scriptures teach against what you are teaching...and not to care. Again.....please start respecting these ladies. I know you will come back saying you only wanted ladies to reply. You will probably even report me. You just want to be protected from the men who will give you godly correction. You want free range to confuse the women here. I am sick of it to be honest. This is not of God.
I started a thread btw, asking women if they would want a husband who began teaching things he could not show from the word. Not one of them wanted a husband who did that. Is that not enough?
You claimed that you were going to go and find the biblical support for the things you are already teaching. Then you come back with the same two verses. That's pure laziness. Go do your duty and find the support. Then if it's not there, honor your word and tell us you were wrong. Finally this thread is on the second page. It doesn't deserve to be on the first. Women are not toys we can just play with and manipulate.
Here is a real discussion on marriage....One that deals with the reality that husband and wife will not always agree.
A wifes submission, the beauty and good it brings.
Posted : 29 Aug, 2012 07:16 AM
I am opining my Post back up to ask a question to the Ladies of this site. ( Only ladies Please )
In Ephesian 6:1 You have Paul writing to children to obey their parents. The Word he uses is below.
hoop-ak-oo'-o
From G5259 and G191; to hear under (as a subordinate), that is, to listen attentively; by implication to heed or conform to a command or authority:�hearken, be obedient to, obey.
In Ephesians 5:22 You have Paul writing to wives to submit to their husbands. The word he uses is below.
hoop-ot-as'-so
From G5259 and G5021; to subordinate; reflexively to obey:�be under obedience (obedient), put under, subdue unto, (be, make) subject (to, unto), be (put) in subjection (to, under), submit self unto.
It seems the popular thinking that these terms apply the same in both situations with a wife and a child even though Paul gives us differing words with slightly differing meanings but close.
If you think about it Ladies a husband who has the athority to make the final decisions can make whatever decisions he wants, right?
And you have to obey him, Right?
Even if your husband makes a selfish decision you have to obey, this is according to modern thinking, right?
Is this Godly thinking? Does this bring unity in a marriage? Would this make you feel safe and loved Ladies? Does this build trust , Ladies?
Or
A husband who determines that all decisions will be joint decisions and the tie breakers are in Gods hands. A husband who gives athority to be unified with his wife in living life together. Are we not one day going to rule and rein with Christ?
Please Ladies only.....
I would love to hear your thoughts Ladies.
In care you my sisters,
Michael
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Posted : Posted : 29 Aug, 2012 06:37 AM
Another question for you ladies. ( Ladies only please)
Some have said that Amos 3:3 Which say's "can two walk together unless they be agreed."
Thinking agree means Apointment.
Now ladies when you make an apointment with your doctor or with the school your children attend, etc.....
Arent you agreeing with your doctors office to meet at a certain time and do such and such?
So I would ask you ladies is not an apointment and agreeing the same thing?
A wifes submission, the beauty and good it brings.
Posted : 29 Aug, 2012 07:19 AM
Denial and desperation has set it. It's not looking good man...I'm sorry it had to come to this, but we do not stand by and let you toy with the women folk. We do not let you toy with the word of God. This all could have been prevented if you had desired to seek God's word and not your desires. Now this whole thing is crumbling down before you.
A wifes submission, the beauty and good it brings.
Posted : 29 Aug, 2012 07:21 AM
I am opining my Post back up to ask a question to the Ladies of this site. ( Only ladies Please )
In Ephesian 6:1 You have Paul writing to children to obey their parents. The Word he uses is below.
hoop-ak-oo'-o
From G5259 and G191; to hear under (as a subordinate), that is, to listen attentively; by implication to heed or conform to a command or authority:�hearken, be obedient to, obey.
In Ephesians 5:22 You have Paul writing to wives to submit to their husbands. The word he uses is below.
hoop-ot-as'-so
From G5259 and G5021; to subordinate; reflexively to obey:�be under obedience (obedient), put under, subdue unto, (be, make) subject (to, unto), be (put) in subjection (to, under), submit self unto.
It seems the popular thinking that these terms apply the same in both situations with a wife and a child even though Paul gives us differing words with slightly differing meanings but close.
If you think about it Ladies a husband who has the athority to make the final decisions can make whatever decisions he wants, right?
And you have to obey him, Right?
Even if your husband makes a selfish decision you have to obey, this is according to modern thinking, right?
Is this Godly thinking? Does this bring unity in a marriage? Would this make you feel safe and loved Ladies? Does this build trust , Ladies?
Or
A husband who determines that all decisions will be joint decisions and the tie breakers are in Gods hands. A husband who gives athority to be unified with his wife in living life together. Are we not one day going to rule and rein with Christ?
Please Ladies only.....
I would love to hear your thoughts Ladies.
In care you my sisters,
Michael
LetThisMind
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A wifes submission, the beauty and good it brings.
Posted : Posted : 29 Aug, 2012 06:37 AM
Another question for you ladies. ( Ladies only please)
Some have said that Amos 3:3 Which say's "can two walk together unless they be agreed."
Thinking agree means Apointment.
Now ladies when you make an apointment with your doctor or with the school your children attend, etc.....
Arent you agreeing with your doctors office to meet at a certain time and do such and such?
So I would ask you ladies is not an apointment and agreeing the same thing?
A wifes submission, the beauty and good it brings.
Posted : 29 Aug, 2012 07:23 AM
I almost feel bad for you now. You want so badly to be seen as credible. The ladies have spoken though. They want truth from scripture. You promised truth from scripture. Don't make yourself into a liar for all to see. God search the scriptures to prove your case and when you cannot...admit you were wrong, as you said you would. Trying to shut me up and shut out male opinion on the issue of marriage is silly. It shows fear on your part. You know the word doesn't stand with you. The question is, when will you start to care.
A wifes submission, the beauty and good it brings.
Posted : 29 Aug, 2012 07:26 AM
I am opining my Post back up to ask a question to the Ladies of this site. ( Only ladies Please )
In Ephesian 6:1 You have Paul writing to children to obey their parents. The Word he uses is below.
hoop-ak-oo'-o
From G5259 and G191; to hear under (as a subordinate), that is, to listen attentively; by implication to heed or conform to a command or authority:�hearken, be obedient to, obey.
In Ephesians 5:22 You have Paul writing to wives to submit to their husbands. The word he uses is below.
hoop-ot-as'-so
From G5259 and G5021; to subordinate; reflexively to obey:�be under obedience (obedient), put under, subdue unto, (be, make) subject (to, unto), be (put) in subjection (to, under), submit self unto.
It seems the popular thinking that these terms apply the same in both situations with a wife and a child even though Paul gives us differing words with slightly differing meanings but close.
If you think about it Ladies a husband who has the athority to make the final decisions can make whatever decisions he wants, right?
And you have to obey him, Right?
Even if your husband makes a selfish decision you have to obey, this is according to modern thinking, right?
Is this Godly thinking? Does this bring unity in a marriage? Would this make you feel safe and loved Ladies? Does this build trust , Ladies?
Or
A husband who determines that all decisions will be joint decisions and the tie breakers are in Gods hands. A husband who gives athority to be unified with his wife in living life together. Are we not one day going to rule and rein with Christ?
Please Ladies only.....
I would love to hear your thoughts Ladies.
In care you my sisters,
Michael
Another question for you ladies. ( Ladies only please)
Some have said that Amos 3:3 Which say's "can two walk together unless they be agreed."
Thinking agree means Apointment.
Now ladies when you make an apointment with your doctor or with the school your children attend, etc.....
Arent you agreeing with your doctors office to meet at a certain time and do such and such?
So I would ask you ladies is not an apointment and agreeing the same thing?
A wifes submission, the beauty and good it brings.
Posted : 29 Aug, 2012 07:27 AM
Go* search the scriptures
Anyway, I will let you have your last word now. I am completely convinced that the women here will not fall for your tricks. I don't want to be seen as a guy who thinks women are ignorant so I have to correct everything for them. There are some very bright women. I probably have already made myself seem that way so I apologize to you women. I just cannot stand when someone so openly tries to deceive. Please accept my apologies! God bless :)
A wifes submission, the beauty and good it brings.
Posted : 29 Aug, 2012 07:44 AM
I am opining my Post back up to ask a question to the Ladies of this site. ( Only ladies Please )
In Ephesian 6:1 You have Paul writing to children to obey their parents. The Word he uses is below.
hoop-ak-oo'-o
From G5259 and G191; to hear under (as a subordinate), that is, to listen attentively; by implication to heed or conform to a command or authority:�hearken, be obedient to, obey.
In Ephesians 5:22 You have Paul writing to wives to submit to their husbands. The word he uses is below.
hoop-ot-as'-so
From G5259 and G5021; to subordinate; reflexively to obey:�be under obedience (obedient), put under, subdue unto, (be, make) subject (to, unto), be (put) in subjection (to, under), submit self unto.
It seems the popular thinking that these terms apply the same in both situations with a wife and a child even though Paul gives us differing words with slightly differing meanings but close.
If you think about it Ladies a husband who has the athority to make the final decisions can make whatever decisions he wants, right?
And you have to obey him, Right?
Even if your husband makes a selfish decision you have to obey, this is according to modern thinking, right?
Is this Godly thinking? Does this bring unity in a marriage? Would this make you feel safe and loved Ladies? Does this build trust , Ladies?
Or
A husband who determines that all decisions will be joint decisions and the tie breakers are in Gods hands. A husband who gives athority to be unified with his wife in living life together. Are we not one day going to rule and rein with Christ?
Please Ladies only.....
I would love to hear your thoughts Ladies.
In care you my sisters,
Michael
LetThisMind
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A wifes submission, the beauty and good it brings.
Posted : Posted : 29 Aug, 2012 06:37 AM
Another question for you ladies. ( Ladies only please)
Some have said that Amos 3:3 Which say's "can two walk together unless they be agreed."
Thinking agree means Apointment.
Now ladies when you make an apointment with your doctor or with the school your children attend, etc.....
Arent you agreeing with your doctors office to meet at a certain time and do such and such?
So I would ask you ladies is not an apointment and agreeing the same thing?
