Thread: A wifes submission, the beauty and good it brings.
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A wifes submission, the beauty and good it brings.
Posted : 20 Aug, 2012 03:52 AM
Brothers and Sisters,
We get all confused as to what submission is in the bible, right?
I was just posting on a thread and I had to hit the submit button. Anyone here have to hit the submit button as well?
What are we doing when we hit the submit button?
We are offering freely our thoughts and feeling on a certain topic, right?
It makes sense now and this has been my sucess in my relationship my with feincee.
She offers her advice , opinion, feelings etc to me and because I love her I consider and listen to her submitted thoughts.
Could submission be as simple as this? YES
But also from a mans point validating her submitted thoughts and from her point submitting thoughts that will easily be recieved.
Many times we out of our great need to be heard try to force our thoughts on another. This is not submission. Like here their are guidelines we are called to follow in comunicating.
For me in my relationship I want to hear her thoughts because i love her. My problem is that she many times holds back on her thoughts because she is fearful of hurting me. She tries to protect me from her feelings. I had this problem with my previous relationship.
This time I am a strong man and once she shares with me I (do not) react out of pride or feeling of rejection to her and can show her compassion and love instead.
Whenever she withholds sharing with me, she limits my being able to express love to her in what she is feeling.
Also God has called a mans wife to be his helper and if she holds back in submitting her thoughts how can she be his help?Being a Husbands helper is not going and doing it by your self. That breakes down unity and seperates you from oneanother.
But women have to remember your words need to come to us with ((((((respect)))))))). Many times your words come in derission or in a form of a command. When you come to a man without respect you will never be heard but you will only push away the man you seek to help. Your attitude toward him is everything.
This I believe is the leading cause of abuse in relationships a woman who does not know how to approace a wounded man. Women who put their men on the defense and ultimatly at war with you.
Its the difference between telling ( trying to be powerful over him) or in submission( gently submitting your advice and thoughts) A angry abusive man is a man who has been belittled all of his life and his wife belittles him as well. A abusive man is so insecure and despretly needs help from a good woman, his wife.
His abuse is his way to feel powerful because deep down in side he feels powerless. But he is to afraid to look at his powerlessness. If you ladies understood the motive behind abuse maybe you could be a better helper to him.
Its not to late to be his helper, The helper God has called you to be...
You can go to your man and ask forgiveness for your continues rejection of him and ask forgiveness for your dissrespect to him.
Men you need to go to your wife and ask forgiveness for being abusive due to your insecurities and weakness.
If a Husband or wife starts here, their is hope for you. If you need further help just ask me and i would love to do so.
A wifes submission, the beauty and good it brings.
Posted : 23 Aug, 2012 04:34 PM
I will admit no such error. I havent strayed from scripture either. The only thing we differ on is application not the scripture its self.
Like I said before Luthor also took a stand against the modern church of his day and the thinking of our modern church is in error.
I know you think I am prideful and arrogent. That is your issue not mine.
If you never had scripture illuminated to you then you will never understand what I am talking about when I said it just came to me.
What im talking about is inspiration and illumination through the Spirit of God.Years of meditating and seeking truth through understanding and Godly application.
You can argue with me and protest me all you want but I stand firm upon the truth.
I know those who are reading this with a opened mind will one day apply it to their relationship and find the deep connection and unity I have found in the Headship/ submission relationship as well.
Ive only began proclaiming this application of truth. You do what you have to do.
A wifes submission, the beauty and good it brings.
Posted : 23 Aug, 2012 05:01 PM
The Call of Wisdom
20 Wisdom cries aloud in the street,
in the markets she raises her voice;
21 at the head of the noisy streets she cries out;
at the entrance of the city gates she speaks:
22 �How long, O simple ones, will you love being simple?
How long will scoffers delight in their scoffing
and fools hate knowledge?
23 If you turn at my reproof,[a]
behold, I will pour out my spirit to you;
I will make my words known to you.
24 Because I have called and you refused to listen,
have stretched out my hand and no one has heeded,
25 because you have ignored all my counsel
and would have none of my reproof,
26 I also will laugh at your calamity;
I will mock when terror strikes you,
27 when terror strikes you like a storm
and your calamity comes like a whirlwind,
when distress and anguish come upon you.
28 Then they will call upon me, but I will not answer;
they will seek me diligently but will not find me.
29 Because they hated knowledge
and did not choose the fear of the Lord,
30 would have none of my counsel
and despised all my reproof,
31 therefore they shall eat the fruit of their way,
and have their fill of their own devices.
32 For the simple are killed by their turning away,
and the complacency of fools destroys them;
33 but whoever listens to me will dwell secure
and will be at ease, without dread of disaster.�
Provers 1:20-33
Whoever heeds instruction is on the path to life, but he who rejects reproof leads others astray. Proverbs 10:17
You are not the standard we are judged by. No one will be raising themselves to you. We seek to only live by the standards God has set forth.
For the ladies watching who may be confused. LTM has been corrected by many faithful brothers in this thread. They have given him godly instruction. He has rejected the reproof and in turn threatens to lead others astray. I urge you to no longer pay him any mind on biblical matter, as he has shown his true heart on this matter. It is fine to be wrong. It is another thing to be shown from the scriptures you are wrong and just to take the mindset that you don't care. If we will so blatantly not care on this matter, where else will he do so? Truth is too important for this type of thing to be allowed.
This may seem harsh to some but we it is in line with the teachings of scripture to correct as we have....5 We destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ...2 Corinthians 10:5
LTM, I leave you with this...
Listen to advice and accept instruction, that you may gain wisdom in the future. Proverbs 19:20
A wifes submission, the beauty and good it brings.
Posted : 23 Aug, 2012 05:39 PM
Another note on how we should respond to this matter...
17 I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. 18 For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive. 19 For your obedience is known to all, so that I rejoice over you, but I want you to be wise as to what is good and innocent as to what is evil.
A wifes submission, the beauty and good it brings.
Posted : 23 Aug, 2012 07:10 PM
LTM,
I've read Martin Luther. I enjoy Martin Luther. You are no Martin Luther. You are not challenging the institutionalized church here, you are challenging the Word of God. This fact has been pointed out to you clearly.
A wifes submission, the beauty and good it brings.
Posted : 23 Aug, 2012 07:41 PM
You first exalt yourself above scripture. You then liken yourself to Luther(not hardly). You have yet to account for why you deny the scriptures. You can try to convince yourself that your thread has been a success but the proof is in the puddin' so to speak. If you honestly think these people are so naive that you can persuade them by simply telling them my responses are expected, then you are fooling yourself. I expected your posts as well...That's irrelevant when we are speaking on what the scriptures teach. Your posts are lacking anything of substance right now because you don't have the word of God to stand on. You have resorted to attacks as well as setting yourself up as some kind of martyr. The people here will not be fooled. All you have to do is accept the scriptures and all if forgiven. If you continue to say you don't care, well then the verses I posted earlier will continue to apply to you.
