Thread: A wifes submission, the beauty and good it brings.
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A wifes submission, the beauty and good it brings.
Posted : 20 Aug, 2012 03:52 AM
Brothers and Sisters,
We get all confused as to what submission is in the bible, right?
I was just posting on a thread and I had to hit the submit button. Anyone here have to hit the submit button as well?
What are we doing when we hit the submit button?
We are offering freely our thoughts and feeling on a certain topic, right?
It makes sense now and this has been my sucess in my relationship my with feincee.
She offers her advice , opinion, feelings etc to me and because I love her I consider and listen to her submitted thoughts.
Could submission be as simple as this? YES
But also from a mans point validating her submitted thoughts and from her point submitting thoughts that will easily be recieved.
Many times we out of our great need to be heard try to force our thoughts on another. This is not submission. Like here their are guidelines we are called to follow in comunicating.
For me in my relationship I want to hear her thoughts because i love her. My problem is that she many times holds back on her thoughts because she is fearful of hurting me. She tries to protect me from her feelings. I had this problem with my previous relationship.
This time I am a strong man and once she shares with me I (do not) react out of pride or feeling of rejection to her and can show her compassion and love instead.
Whenever she withholds sharing with me, she limits my being able to express love to her in what she is feeling.
Also God has called a mans wife to be his helper and if she holds back in submitting her thoughts how can she be his help?Being a Husbands helper is not going and doing it by your self. That breakes down unity and seperates you from oneanother.
But women have to remember your words need to come to us with ((((((respect)))))))). Many times your words come in derission or in a form of a command. When you come to a man without respect you will never be heard but you will only push away the man you seek to help. Your attitude toward him is everything.
This I believe is the leading cause of abuse in relationships a woman who does not know how to approace a wounded man. Women who put their men on the defense and ultimatly at war with you.
Its the difference between telling ( trying to be powerful over him) or in submission( gently submitting your advice and thoughts) A angry abusive man is a man who has been belittled all of his life and his wife belittles him as well. A abusive man is so insecure and despretly needs help from a good woman, his wife.
His abuse is his way to feel powerful because deep down in side he feels powerless. But he is to afraid to look at his powerlessness. If you ladies understood the motive behind abuse maybe you could be a better helper to him.
Its not to late to be his helper, The helper God has called you to be...
You can go to your man and ask forgiveness for your continues rejection of him and ask forgiveness for your dissrespect to him.
Men you need to go to your wife and ask forgiveness for being abusive due to your insecurities and weakness.
If a Husband or wife starts here, their is hope for you. If you need further help just ask me and i would love to do so.
A wifes submission, the beauty and good it brings.
Posted : 23 Aug, 2012 07:43 PM
And please stop telling people you are in line with scripture. You have zero credibility after you openly told us that you ultimately care about what is practical in your life. That is the standard by which you judge your beliefs...if they are practical.
A wifes submission, the beauty and good it brings.
Posted : 23 Aug, 2012 08:10 PM
I get it...If I strike back at that subtle jab, I am in the wrong...because you meant it sincerely. This thread is not about me or whether you are proud of me or not. I think it's a good time for the thread to lay down to rest. Error was presented and truth was brought to bear on it. The error didn't survive. Move on and grow from this.
A wifes submission, the beauty and good it brings.
Posted : 23 Aug, 2012 08:33 PM
Grace UD,
Is it not a beautiful thing to live in a world of free thinkers. I would caution you in judging people as being nieve though. The ones who have already shown appreciation for my thoughts on the truth of Headship and submission.
The beautiful thing is that I know their will be sceptics and their will be those who honestly consider the deep value in the righteous application of Gods word I have presented here.
I forgive you for your judgement of my motives and your expressing through scipture saying I am not followiing Christ.
Love you brother and all who come to read, the silent and the verbal.
A wifes submission, the beauty and good it brings.
Posted : 23 Aug, 2012 11:37 PM
22 Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit in everything to their husbands.
Submit in these verses basically means to be subject to or to place oneself in order under....In light of that, we can clearly see that it is not speaking of a woman offering her thoughts and feelings. Despite what he wants you to believe the disagreement LTM and I had was not just how submission should be correctly applied...It was about whether we are to accept the meaning of the word or to change the meaning of the word to make it sound more acceptable to women.
A wifes submission, the beauty and good it brings.
Posted : 24 Aug, 2012 01:30 PM
Through conversation with my Lady she had brought this scripture to rememberence.
7Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered.
8Finally, be ye all of one mind, having compassion one of another, love as brethren, be pitiful, be courteous: 9Not rendering evil for evil, or railing for railing: but contrariwise blessing; knowing that ye are thereunto called, that ye should inherit a blessing.
10For he that will love life, and see good days, let him refrain his tongue from evil, and his lips that they speak no guile: 11Let him eschew evil, and do good; let him seek peace, and ensue it.
A husband who claims the attitude of making the final decision is going to find himself making a decision that is not in his wifes best interest.
Not only that but like what you have done Grace UD. In some of your comment toward me you pretty much were commanding me to end this thread. A husband who thinks he claims the athority to make the final decision will one day find himself a dictator and over Lord.
Again GUD, I forgive you of the evil spoken by you against me here.
A wifes submission, the beauty and good it brings.
Posted : 24 Aug, 2012 01:51 PM
"Is it not a beautiful thing to live in a world of free thinkers"
There are two ways to think. You either think God's thoughts after Him or you do not. Any thought that is in disagreement with God stems from a reprobate mind - a mind that is illogical, irrational, UNRIGHTEOUS, unholy and in the end irrelevant. This is a mind that is not free but rather captive to sin. If you are a believer, you have put on Christ, the mind of Christ. You are not free to think whatever you want. You are commanded to take every thought captive to the obedience of Jesus Christ - to renew your mind.
The lie from the beginning was not that there was no God but that God's commands were not relevant, that they were not binding on man. The offer given to Eve was "be your own god and determine for yourself what is good and evil". (i.e. be a "free thinker and make your own laws"). The outcome has been recorded for us.
Further, we don't "freely offer our thoughts and feeling on a certain topic" to Jesus Christ for his consideration. (this is your faulty theory of submission) That is absurd. He is the head. We do what he commands us to do, period. Otherwise, as the Bible says, we do not love him. His commands are always and forever righteous and our obedience is always and forever demanded.
This is the example that both the husband and the wife are to follow. Husbands are to be righteous. They are to love their wives as Christ loved the church. Wives are commanded to be in submission to their husbands. In doing so, they are submitting themselves to God - to his commands to them.
Lastly, you demonstrate no love for God when you subvert his commands. Nor, do you demonstrate any love for others when you lay a stumbling block before them by willfully changing the Word of God to suit your own theories.
