Thread: A wifes submission, the beauty and good it brings.
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A wifes submission, the beauty and good it brings.
Posted : 20 Aug, 2012 03:52 AM
Brothers and Sisters,
We get all confused as to what submission is in the bible, right?
I was just posting on a thread and I had to hit the submit button. Anyone here have to hit the submit button as well?
What are we doing when we hit the submit button?
We are offering freely our thoughts and feeling on a certain topic, right?
It makes sense now and this has been my sucess in my relationship my with feincee.
She offers her advice , opinion, feelings etc to me and because I love her I consider and listen to her submitted thoughts.
Could submission be as simple as this? YES
But also from a mans point validating her submitted thoughts and from her point submitting thoughts that will easily be recieved.
Many times we out of our great need to be heard try to force our thoughts on another. This is not submission. Like here their are guidelines we are called to follow in comunicating.
For me in my relationship I want to hear her thoughts because i love her. My problem is that she many times holds back on her thoughts because she is fearful of hurting me. She tries to protect me from her feelings. I had this problem with my previous relationship.
This time I am a strong man and once she shares with me I (do not) react out of pride or feeling of rejection to her and can show her compassion and love instead.
Whenever she withholds sharing with me, she limits my being able to express love to her in what she is feeling.
Also God has called a mans wife to be his helper and if she holds back in submitting her thoughts how can she be his help?Being a Husbands helper is not going and doing it by your self. That breakes down unity and seperates you from oneanother.
But women have to remember your words need to come to us with ((((((respect)))))))). Many times your words come in derission or in a form of a command. When you come to a man without respect you will never be heard but you will only push away the man you seek to help. Your attitude toward him is everything.
This I believe is the leading cause of abuse in relationships a woman who does not know how to approace a wounded man. Women who put their men on the defense and ultimatly at war with you.
Its the difference between telling ( trying to be powerful over him) or in submission( gently submitting your advice and thoughts) A angry abusive man is a man who has been belittled all of his life and his wife belittles him as well. A abusive man is so insecure and despretly needs help from a good woman, his wife.
His abuse is his way to feel powerful because deep down in side he feels powerless. But he is to afraid to look at his powerlessness. If you ladies understood the motive behind abuse maybe you could be a better helper to him.
Its not to late to be his helper, The helper God has called you to be...
You can go to your man and ask forgiveness for your continues rejection of him and ask forgiveness for your dissrespect to him.
Men you need to go to your wife and ask forgiveness for being abusive due to your insecurities and weakness.
If a Husband or wife starts here, their is hope for you. If you need further help just ask me and i would love to do so.
A wifes submission, the beauty and good it brings.
Posted : 24 Aug, 2012 02:00 PM
LTM-
"Not only that but like what you have done Grace UD. In some of your comment toward me you pretty much were commanding me to end this thread. "
What GraceUD did was extend grace, kindness and love to you and to others by showing you the Biblical error in your reasoning. He then was also gracious and kind enough to suggest that the thread be ended enabling you to walk away without further humiliation. This too is an act of love.
A wifes submission, the beauty and good it brings.
Posted : 24 Aug, 2012 02:06 PM
You sound very angry.
I chose my name Let this mind for the very purpose that I seek the mind of Christ.
For you to say other wise is very judgemental of you toward me.
When I say were are free thinkers and i am a freee thinker. What I mean is I am free to follow the Spirit of God and I dont have to feel threatened to follow modern church day dogma.
And Yes, I do have complete freedom in relationship with Christ to bear my soul bring every thought before Him. He listens to and cares for my every thought.
A wifes submission, the beauty and good it brings.
Posted : 24 Aug, 2012 02:12 PM
I love this guys. I am in no way humiliated. Sorry to dissapoint you in that.
I am confident of this very thing that He who bagan a good work in you is faithful to complete it. I am not offended because you and I are right where God needs us to be.
A wifes submission, the beauty and good it brings.
Posted : 24 Aug, 2012 08:13 PM
" A husband who claims the attitude of making the final decision is going to find himself making a decision that is not in his wifes best interest."
Making the final decision isn't an "attitude". It's an order from God.
"Not only that but like what you have done Grace UD. In some of your comment toward me you pretty much were commanding me to end this thread."
Now this is interesting. You are now making the argument that if someone defends against error, they must also be a mean and commanding husband. I guess Jesus is a mean commanding husband as well right? This is getting sad. You want the women to believe they will be hurt by a guy like me, but I submit that God's plan works far better than your man made theories.
" A husband who thinks he claims the athority to make the final decision will one day find himself a dictator and over Lord"
What about a God who thinks it? Do you make the same statements against Him?..."24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit in everything to their husbands."
" Again GUD, I forgive you of the evil spoken by you against me here."
The super spiritual, holier than thou attitude you are displaying is childish. I owe you no apology. By all means if evil was spoken of you, you had every opportunity to point it out. You however denied scripture every time it has been presented and also said that you care most about what's practical in your life. I care most about what God desires...not what you declare to be practical. This is such a silly argument. Why am I even debating with someone who openly denies scripture?
A wifes submission, the beauty and good it brings.
Posted : 24 Aug, 2012 08:17 PM
" That is absurd. He is the head. We do what he commands us to do, period. Otherwise, as the Bible says, we do not love him."
13 Greater love has no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends. 14 You are my friends if you do what I command you. John 15:13-14
A wifes submission, the beauty and good it brings.
Posted : 25 Aug, 2012 03:35 AM
GUD,
Thank you for your insults calling me childish. They insulted Jesus as well so I am in good company. I never asked for an appology from you I offered forgiveness. Just as Jesus said forgive them Father for they know not what they do.
A wifes submission, the beauty and good it brings.
Posted : 25 Aug, 2012 05:07 AM
He has done nothing to you that you need to forgive, LTM. He, and others, have pointed out your errors. For example, Amos 3:3 has nothing to do with headship. You can not take one verse, to fit your arguement, especially if it chanes the meaning of the book. Amos is not speaking about marriage.
Amos
1 Hear this word that the Lord hath spoken against you, O children of Israel, against the whole family which I brought up from the land of Egypt, saying,
2 You only have I known of all the families of the earth: therefore I will punish you for all your iniquities.
3 Can two walk together, except they be agreed?
4 Will a lion roar in the forest, when he hath no prey? will a young lion cry out of his den, if he have taken nothing?
5 Can a bird fall in a snare upon the earth, where no gin is for him? shall one take up a snare from the earth, and have taken nothing at all?
6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the Lord hath not done it?
7 Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.
8 The lion hath roared, who will not fear? the Lord God hath spoken, who can but prophesy?
9 Publish in the palaces at Ashdod, and in the palaces in the land of Egypt, and say, Assemble yourselves upon the mountains of Samaria, and behold the great tumults in the midst thereof, and the oppressed in the midst thereof.
10 For they know not to do right, saith the Lord, who store up violence and robbery in their palaces.
11 Therefore thus saith the Lord God; An adversary there shall be even round about the land; and he shall bring down thy strength from thee, and thy palaces shall be spoiled.
12 Thus saith the Lord; As the shepherd taketh out of the mouth of the lion two legs, or a piece of an ear; so shall the children of Israel be taken out that dwell in Samaria in the corner of a bed, and in Damascus in a couch.
13 Hear ye, and testify in the house of Jacob, saith the Lord God, the God of hosts,
14 That in the day that I shall visit the transgressions of Israel upon him I will also visit the altars of Bethel: and the horns of the altar shall be cut off, and fall to the ground.
15 And I will smite the winter house with the summer house; and the houses of ivory shall perish, and the great houses shall have an end, saith the Lord.
A wifes submission, the beauty and good it brings.
Posted : 25 Aug, 2012 07:49 AM
You are right the third verse of Amos is not specifically speaking of marriage but it is true as a principle, is it not? A princile that can be applied to many situations.
You dont know the living Word of God has many treasures in it concerning our lives that are beyound the simple meaning of a verse?
Amos :3
1 Hear this word that the Lord hath spoken against you, O children of Israel, against the whole family which I brought up from the land of Egypt, saying,
Yes , It specifically is written for the children of Isreal. Does it apply to us also? Yes
2 You only have I (((known))) of all the families of the earth: therefore I will punish you for all your iniquities.
Are you known by God?
3 Can two walk together, except they be agreed?
What this spefically is referring to is God and the children of Isreal. They are the two mentioned here.
4 Will a lion roar in the forest, when he hath no prey? will a young lion cry out of his den, if he have taken nothing?
5 Can a bird fall in a snare upon the earth, where no gin is for him? shall one take up a snare from the earth, and have taken nothing at all?
6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the Lord hath not done it?
7 Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his (((((secret))))) unto his servants the prophets.
Just as He has revealed His secret to me concerning Headship and submission. A modern day prophet.
8 The lion hath roared, who will not fear? the Lord God hath spoken, who can but prophesy?
9 Publish in the palaces at Ashdod, and in the palaces in the land of Egypt, and say, Assemble yourselves upon the mountains of Samaria, and behold the great tumults in the midst thereof, and the oppressed in the midst thereof.
10 ((((((((((For they know not to do right)))))))), saith the Lord, who store up violence and robbery in their palaces.
This is what im talking about. The modern dogma concerning Headship/ Submission for our day I dont know specifically what the issue of their day was except they werent listening to God...Thats big HUH?
11 Therefore thus saith the Lord God; An adversary there shall be even round about the land; and he shall bring down thy strength from thee, and thy palaces shall be spoiled.
This is happening in the relationship of American marriages.The evidence is clear.
12 Thus saith the Lord; As the shepherd taketh out of the mouth of the lion two legs, or a piece of an ear; so shall the children of Israel be taken out that dwell in Samaria in the corner of a bed, and in Damascus in a couch.
13 Hear ye, and testify in the house of Jacob, saith the Lord God, the God of hosts,
14 That in the day that I shall visit the transgressions of Israel upon him I will also visit the altars of Bethel: and the horns of the altar shall be cut off, and fall to the ground.
15 And I will smite the winter house with the summer house; and the houses of ivory shall perish, and the great houses shall have an end, saith the Lord.
The end is our destruction and destruction is here, Right?
We need to question the church way of thinking and seek greater understanding from Gods eternal word and not just leave it to surface thinking we need to go deeper to turn things around.
I have turned things around in my own life. I used to follow the broken dogma of modern thinking and left me divoced, Just as many good honest people who tried to follow Gods word has found their selves in the same place.
My way of thinking is in no way contrary to Gods Word if people would stop to really take time and think they would discover it is more in line with the heart and mind of God.
But people choose programing over inspiration.
You will know the truth and the truth will set you free........
A wifes submission, the beauty and good it brings.
Posted : 25 Aug, 2012 07:52 AM
"Thank you for your insults calling me childish"
It's not an insult, just a statement of fact after seeing the games you have played her. Your ideas couldn't stand on your own so you decided to make me look evil instead. How did that turn out for you? Interestingly, you aren't trying the same tactics against Apostelle and WillB....Maybe it's because you are insecure about my age. I have every reason to believe this to be so because of certain statements you have made in this thread and others. Is calling you childish insulting?(as in a sin)....I think not...."11 About this we have much to say, and it is hard to explain, since you have become dull of hearing. 12 For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the basic principles of the oracles of God. You need milk, not solid food, 13 for everyone who lives on milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, since he is a child. 14 But solid food is for the mature, for those who have their powers of discernment trained by constant practice to distinguish good from evil."...Hebrews 5:11-14
"They insulted Jesus as well so I am in good company"
They insulted Jesus with lies. Jesus spoke truth. The display you have put on in this thread is nothing at all like Jesus. I guess when you have nothing to stand on, your last result is to hide behind Jesus. I mean, who can attack Jesus right? If you make me look evil to the onlookers, then that is your way of not dealing with the issue of you not caring about scripture. The problem is they already have seen that you don't care about scripture. Look at the others posts on this thread. Somehow you convinced yourself that this thread has been a success for you and you are receiving positive feedback. I supposed next you will tell us how much praise you have received for it through private messages because it certainly isn't happening here. If you would like, we can move from this childish arguing back and forth and take it back to the scriptures. Are you afraid to debate me on the actual scriptures? Is it sufficient for you just to attack my character?
Apostelle, thanks for your faithfulness on this issue. Notice how he never refuted either you or me on the subject of Amos 3:3. He simply ignored it. To me that is a glaring sign that he knows the truth but doesn't care.
