Thread: A wifes submission, the beauty and good it brings.
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A wifes submission, the beauty and good it brings.
Posted : 20 Aug, 2012 03:52 AM
Brothers and Sisters,
We get all confused as to what submission is in the bible, right?
I was just posting on a thread and I had to hit the submit button. Anyone here have to hit the submit button as well?
What are we doing when we hit the submit button?
We are offering freely our thoughts and feeling on a certain topic, right?
It makes sense now and this has been my sucess in my relationship my with feincee.
She offers her advice , opinion, feelings etc to me and because I love her I consider and listen to her submitted thoughts.
Could submission be as simple as this? YES
But also from a mans point validating her submitted thoughts and from her point submitting thoughts that will easily be recieved.
Many times we out of our great need to be heard try to force our thoughts on another. This is not submission. Like here their are guidelines we are called to follow in comunicating.
For me in my relationship I want to hear her thoughts because i love her. My problem is that she many times holds back on her thoughts because she is fearful of hurting me. She tries to protect me from her feelings. I had this problem with my previous relationship.
This time I am a strong man and once she shares with me I (do not) react out of pride or feeling of rejection to her and can show her compassion and love instead.
Whenever she withholds sharing with me, she limits my being able to express love to her in what she is feeling.
Also God has called a mans wife to be his helper and if she holds back in submitting her thoughts how can she be his help?Being a Husbands helper is not going and doing it by your self. That breakes down unity and seperates you from oneanother.
But women have to remember your words need to come to us with ((((((respect)))))))). Many times your words come in derission or in a form of a command. When you come to a man without respect you will never be heard but you will only push away the man you seek to help. Your attitude toward him is everything.
This I believe is the leading cause of abuse in relationships a woman who does not know how to approace a wounded man. Women who put their men on the defense and ultimatly at war with you.
Its the difference between telling ( trying to be powerful over him) or in submission( gently submitting your advice and thoughts) A angry abusive man is a man who has been belittled all of his life and his wife belittles him as well. A abusive man is so insecure and despretly needs help from a good woman, his wife.
His abuse is his way to feel powerful because deep down in side he feels powerless. But he is to afraid to look at his powerlessness. If you ladies understood the motive behind abuse maybe you could be a better helper to him.
Its not to late to be his helper, The helper God has called you to be...
You can go to your man and ask forgiveness for your continues rejection of him and ask forgiveness for your dissrespect to him.
Men you need to go to your wife and ask forgiveness for being abusive due to your insecurities and weakness.
If a Husband or wife starts here, their is hope for you. If you need further help just ask me and i would love to do so.
A wifes submission, the beauty and good it brings.
Posted : 25 Aug, 2012 08:00 AM
" You are right the third verse of Amos is not specifically speaking of marriage but it is true as a principle, is it not? A princile that can be applied to many situations. "
Yea sure....I means that two people don't walk together unless they make and appointment to do so. You have already been shown this. So it applies to you and your woman's life in just that way. It's not some super spiritual concept. It doesn't help your case with submission. Also it's silly to think a husband and wife will agree on everything...which is why one reason there is a head. God knows people better than people do.
" You dont know the living Word of God has many treasures in it concerning our lives that are beyound the simple meaning of a verse?"
Sure maybe, but they aren't gleaned from changing the meaning of a verse.
" This is what im talking about. The modern dogma concerning Headship/ Submission for our day I dont know specifically what the issue of their day was except they werent listening to God...Thats big HUH?"
Actually the modern day push is more of a feminism in that not only are men and women equal, but there is no head. This is the idea you promote and it has no biblical backing.
" This is happening in the relationship of American marriages.The evidence is clear."
If you think American marriage are failing because of the existence of a headship order within the marriage, then you are blind.
" My way of thinking is in no way contrary to Gods Word if people would stop to really take time and think they would discover it is more in line with the heart and mind of God."
Well um you used Amos 3 to try to teach your way of marriage. I'd say you have it a little backwards. So is everyone else in here.
A wifes submission, the beauty and good it brings.
Posted : 25 Aug, 2012 08:02 AM
The lie that he is operating from is that he is opposing "church dogma" with his own "divine inspiration".
However, I do not see him being refuted in this thread with any church creeds or denominational confessions. I see him being defeated by the Word of God.
So, his is a weak argument and insufficient to change the course of the discussion. Until he is able to show with Scripture itself that his theory of submission is indeed Biblical he has not made his case. It's that simple.
A wifes submission, the beauty and good it brings.
Posted : 25 Aug, 2012 08:09 AM
Since we are talking about submission and headship here is a verse concerning Divorce. Not specifically but again a general principle which includes Divorce.
Since we are all so faithful followers of God why is this scripture violated over and over in the church of this day and why is Divorce so supported by the church leaders?
Because the error is on the part of the modern church leadership Dogma.....Their is no mistaking it, Right?
1Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints? 2Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? 3Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life? 4If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church. 5I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a (((wise man)))) among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren? 6But brother goeth to law with brother, and that before the unbelievers. 7Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law one with another. Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather suffer yourselves to be defrauded? 8Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.
If the proper meaning of Headship & Submission was taught in the church we would have decreasing Divorce rates. Its not being taught because the church leadership is(( NOT)) wise in this area.
God has given me the wisdom and if you reject this wisdom my brothers and sisters it is upon you. There is a wise man upon you here and I am he.
My boast is in the truth and revelation God has given to me, I am but His servent and His vessle. So i take (((((((((((NO)))))))
A wifes submission, the beauty and good it brings.
Posted : 25 Aug, 2012 08:20 AM
When I prayed over this thread last night. This is the passage brought to my recollection.
2 Tim 3:
5. Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts.
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.
He professes the Scriptures to be the word of God, yet he denies the use, the power, and efficacy of them; he denies the use of them to others, and affirms that they are not a sufficient rule of faith and practice, Instead, we should follow his "inspiration" and "practical theories"
Satan's tactics are always and forever the same. Just like in the garden when Eve was the first to be tempted. The enemy preys on the "weaker vessel". Notice here that the OP is serving up his poison to women...tempting them away from the Word of God with words that will "tickle their ears"
I am persuaded of better things for the ladies here. My prayer is that they won't be led captive by their own fleshly desires to not properly and Biblically submit themselves to their husbands.
LTM has applied himself to learning about the marriage relationship but he has not come to the knowledge of the truth. Now he is withstanding men of God who are exposing his errors. This is folly and as the Word of God says it has been manifested to all.
A wifes submission, the beauty and good it brings.
Posted : 25 Aug, 2012 08:27 AM
1I, therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you to(( walk worthy of the calling with which you were called, 2with all lowliness and gentleness, with longsuffering, bearing with one another in love)))))), 3endeavoring to keep the (((((( unity of the Spirit)))))) in the bond of peace. 4There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; 5one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in �you all.
11And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, 12for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ, 13till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ; 14that we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of ((((doctrine)))), by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting, 15but, speaking the ((((truth in love)))), may grow up in all things into Him who is the head�Christ�16from whom the whole body, joined and knit together by what every joint supplies, according to the effective working by which every part does its share, causes growth of the body for the edifying of itself in love.
17This I say, therefore, and testify in the Lord, that you should (((((no longer walk as �the rest of the Gentiles walk, in the futility of their mind,))))) 18having their understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God, because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the((((( blindness of their heart;))))))) 19who, being past feeling, have given themselves over to lewdness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.
20But (((((you have not so learned Christ))))), 21if indeed you have heard Him and have been taught by Him, as the truth is in Jesus: 22that you put off, concerning ((((your former conduct, the old man which grows corrupt according to the deceitful lusts,)))))) 23and be renewed in the spirit of your mind, 24and that you ((((put on the new man)))) which was created according to God, in true righteousness and holiness.
25Therefore, putting away lying, �Let each one of you speak truth with his neighbor,�� for we are members of one another. 26�Be angry, and do not sin�:� do not let the sun go down on your wrath, 27nor give place to the devil. 28Let him who stole steal no longer, but rather let him labor, working with his hands what is good, that he may have something to give him who has need. 29Let no corrupt word proceed out of your mouth, but what is((((( good for necessary edification,)) that it may impart grace to the hearers.
30And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.(((((( 31Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor, and evil speaking be put away from you, with all malice. )))))32And ((((be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another)))), even as God in Christ forgave you.
A wifes submission, the beauty and good it brings.
Posted : 25 Aug, 2012 08:34 AM
5. Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
So ladies and Gentlemen, My proposing that Headship being the husband preserving unity in His relationship with his wife and a wife submission is her preserving the unity with her husband by communicating all of her thoughts to her husband that he might love her or be helped by her ..........
In your estimation is evil and un godly and denying the power?
You this is so sad. Whenever a individual or individuals dont understand something they dismiss it as evil.
A wifes submission, the beauty and good it brings.
Posted : 25 Aug, 2012 08:35 AM
WillBDunne, or BobBobbins...
Whichever you prefer, you don't really give the women enough credit here, being Godly women. Whomever doesn't see through this is lost, are they not?
I've seen much of what you post "in love" and though you know the truth, your heart seems darkened to me, and you purposely seek to tear down. I haven't seen such coldness from anyone here in some time. Though LetThisMind may be wrong, you are also wrong. You persist without needing to, GraceUndeserved has already made every point you speak of, though he did so in a loving way for the truth. Where is this love in you, of which you speak? All I see from you is cruelty.
Matthew 12:34 You brood of vipers! How can you speak good, when you are evil? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.
When the apostles were trying to get people to turn away from their sins, they were pleading with them to turn to the Lord and seeking to help them in perfect love. Why? Because they knew they were dealing with little sheep, and the Lord's beloved. If you will see in John, he calls them "Dear little children.." How much love must he have for them? I'm sure he loved them abundantly.
I will pray that the Lord would allow you correct people in much love and understanding.
