Thread: A wifes submission, the beauty and good it brings.
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A wifes submission, the beauty and good it brings.
Posted : 20 Aug, 2012 03:52 AM
Brothers and Sisters,
We get all confused as to what submission is in the bible, right?
I was just posting on a thread and I had to hit the submit button. Anyone here have to hit the submit button as well?
What are we doing when we hit the submit button?
We are offering freely our thoughts and feeling on a certain topic, right?
It makes sense now and this has been my sucess in my relationship my with feincee.
She offers her advice , opinion, feelings etc to me and because I love her I consider and listen to her submitted thoughts.
Could submission be as simple as this? YES
But also from a mans point validating her submitted thoughts and from her point submitting thoughts that will easily be recieved.
Many times we out of our great need to be heard try to force our thoughts on another. This is not submission. Like here their are guidelines we are called to follow in comunicating.
For me in my relationship I want to hear her thoughts because i love her. My problem is that she many times holds back on her thoughts because she is fearful of hurting me. She tries to protect me from her feelings. I had this problem with my previous relationship.
This time I am a strong man and once she shares with me I (do not) react out of pride or feeling of rejection to her and can show her compassion and love instead.
Whenever she withholds sharing with me, she limits my being able to express love to her in what she is feeling.
Also God has called a mans wife to be his helper and if she holds back in submitting her thoughts how can she be his help?Being a Husbands helper is not going and doing it by your self. That breakes down unity and seperates you from oneanother.
But women have to remember your words need to come to us with ((((((respect)))))))). Many times your words come in derission or in a form of a command. When you come to a man without respect you will never be heard but you will only push away the man you seek to help. Your attitude toward him is everything.
This I believe is the leading cause of abuse in relationships a woman who does not know how to approace a wounded man. Women who put their men on the defense and ultimatly at war with you.
Its the difference between telling ( trying to be powerful over him) or in submission( gently submitting your advice and thoughts) A angry abusive man is a man who has been belittled all of his life and his wife belittles him as well. A abusive man is so insecure and despretly needs help from a good woman, his wife.
His abuse is his way to feel powerful because deep down in side he feels powerless. But he is to afraid to look at his powerlessness. If you ladies understood the motive behind abuse maybe you could be a better helper to him.
Its not to late to be his helper, The helper God has called you to be...
You can go to your man and ask forgiveness for your continues rejection of him and ask forgiveness for your dissrespect to him.
Men you need to go to your wife and ask forgiveness for being abusive due to your insecurities and weakness.
If a Husband or wife starts here, their is hope for you. If you need further help just ask me and i would love to do so.
A wifes submission, the beauty and good it brings.
Posted : 25 Aug, 2012 08:51 AM
Ms Marvel,
Thankyou for your graceous words. My feancee plans to be here a some time but because she lacks power most of the day in her region it makes it difficult for her to do so.
I know in the eyes of most here I am a no body and what I propose goes against everything that has been taught for many years concerning this issue.
I dont expect everyone to be open to really consider what I am teaching but I know some will and It is worth the effort.
I know eyes are watching and ears are listening.
My Lady and I will attest it works beautifully. My expression of headship and her expression of submission.
It only creates greater unity, love and security. The results and results matter dont they? Will be the same for anyone who practices such beautiful expressions of relationship.
A wifes submission, the beauty and good it brings.
Posted : 25 Aug, 2012 09:00 AM
Ms Marvel,
There are those here who are led astray by this type of thing. Praise God that you are not one of those. That does not mean that others are as strong and secure in the faith as you.
You and I hold a vastly different point of views and operational theology. I accept that without seeking to undermine you as being faulty in your application of "love".
For instance, when a person or persons come accusing the Most High of lying, negligence, etc., I don't kiss them on the cheek and tell them to "fight the good fight". Instead, I apply two shock paddles to their heart in the hopes of reviving their life.
We could discuss many examples like this specifically if you had a genuine interest in understanding my intentions and my methods. However, you have drawn your conclusions about me rather than trying to seek understanding from me directly over any specific incident.
I don't hold any ill will or malice toward you or anyone else here. If you want to discuss anything that I post with me, feel free to email me anytime that you would like. Many others have done so.
A wifes submission, the beauty and good it brings.
Posted : 25 Aug, 2012 09:11 AM
Will,
"For instance, when a person or persons come accusing the Most High of lying,"
This agian is another attack upon me. You your self admit you think differenty than Ms Marvel and she you but you would never accuse her of such a thing and she you. You both vary on your expression of application of Gods Word , right?
As do I. You will never hear comming from my mouth that God is a lyer or any such thing.
A wifes submission, the beauty and good it brings.
Posted : 25 Aug, 2012 10:12 AM
It is not lost on me, the irony that you would compare your words and comments to shock paddles, for all they do is destroy.
Your "methods" are hard-hearted. One could say that Jesus and his apostles also used shock paddles, but if one uses a shock paddle to a dead and beatless heart, it beats again, but will you do it until it beats not? The same understanding that can be used to bring life into someone you use to destroy.
Your words are lifeless, and cruel.
An example:
So, let me get this straight. The magic genie in the sky didn't grant your wish when you rubbed the bottle? Is that about right?
Now, you stand judge and jury over the King of kings and you offer your public indictment and sentencing for His disobedience to your commands. Is that about right?
I've personally prayed very faithfully for a wife now for close to 30 years. So, I guess that I just can't relate with all the pain and grief you must be going through after praying an entire...um...3 years.
Your post is filled with blasphemy. I would encourage others not to offer hugs and kisses to this kind of behavior and rhetoric.
That is the post you made to that young man in that thread. First you mock him for his heartache, then you condemn him. Then you sarcastically try to relate with him, then as a cherry on top you propose that anyone trying to lovingly pull him in on a life raft, to remind him the Lord is still good...is doing evil.
These signs and symptoms follow you wherever you post on this forum.
A wifes submission, the beauty and good it brings.
Posted : 25 Aug, 2012 11:21 AM
it is true that it doesn't talk about marriage in AMOS 3:3 but it is true that sometimes thing cannot be read literally.it is all subjective and cannot sometimes be read theologically.like the old testament,the slavery the freedom of the isrealite for that matter is not relevant to us in any ways.it is nothing but a history but if we read metaphorical site of it and read between the lines the journey of isrealite could be interpreted as our spiritual journey through life.yes in Amos 3:3in it does not necessarily talk about marriage but a personal interpretation of a verse through spirit cannot be question either for one word or a sentence.it can be interpreted in many ways.that is why the bible is a living book.:glow:
A wifes submission, the beauty and good it brings.
Posted : 25 Aug, 2012 11:50 AM
Brother LTM and sister faiths77,
Reading any part of the Bible as a metaphor allows us to twist the meaning into anything we wish. The New Testament says that sinners are worthy of death. Should I go out and start killing everyone I think is a sinner? No, because it is speaking of a spiritual death. The things in the Old Testament are to be taken as part of our faith as well. Just as we are prohibited from murder, lying, fornication, theft, etc in the OT, we are prohibited from them as well in the NT. Christ came to fulfill the law, not to change it...He said so in the NT.
Genesis 3:16
16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
Ephesians 5:24-26
24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
OT and NT, different words, but both say the same thing.
