Theologian and Bible Scholar Adam Clarke's Commantary on I Corinthians chapter 14: Verse 34. Let your women keep silence in the churches This was a Jewish ordinance; women were not permitted to teach in the assemblies, or even to ask questions. The rabbins taught that "a woman should know nothing but the use of her distaff." And the sayings of Rabbi Eliezer, as delivered, Bammidbar Rabba, sec. 9, fol. 204, are both worthy of remark and of execration; they are these: yisrephu dibrey torah veal yimsaru lenashim, "Let the words of the law be burned, rather than that they should be delivered to women."
This was their condition till the time of the Gospel, when, according to the prediction of Joel, the Spirit of God was to be poured out on the women as well as the men, that they might prophesy, i.e. teach. And that they did prophesy or teach is evident from what the apostle says, 1 Corinthians 11:5, where he lays down rules to regulate this part of their conduct while ministering in the church.
But does not what the apostle says here contradict that statement, and show that the words in chapter 11, should be understood in another sense? For, here it is expressly said that they should keep silence in the church; for it was not permitted to a woman to speak. Both places seem perfectly consistent. It is evident from the context that the apostle refers here to asking questions, and what we call dictating in the assemblies. It was permitted to any man to ask questions, to object, altercate, attempt to refute, but this liberty was not allowed to any woman. St. Paul confirms this in reference also to the Christian Church; he orders them to keep silence; and, if they wished to learn any thing, let them inquire of their husbands at home; because it was perfectly indecorous for women to be contending with men in public assemblies, on points of doctrine, cases of conscience, a woman received any particular influence from God to enable her to teach, that she was not to obey that influence; on the contrary, she was to obey it, and the apostle lays down directions in chapter 11, for regulating her personal appearance when thus employed. All that the apostle opposes here is their questioning, finding fault, disputing, Jewish men were permitted to do in their synagogues; together with the attempts to usurp any authority over the man, by setting up their judgment in opposition to them; for the apostle has in view, especially, acts of disobedience, arrogance, woman would be guilty who was under the influence of the Spirit of God.
But-to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
This is a reference to Genesis 3:16: Thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. From this it is evident that it was the disorderly and disobedient that the apostle had in view; and not any of those on whom God had poured out his Spirit.
Verse 35. For it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
The Jews would not suffer a woman to read in the synagogue; though a servant or even a child, had this permission; but the apostle refers to irregular conduct, such conduct as proved that they were not under obedience, 1 Corinthians 14:34.
Verse 36. Came the word of God out from you?
Was it from you that other Churches received the Gospel? Are you the mother Church? that you should have rules, and orders, and customs, different from all others; and set yourselves up for a model to be copied by all the Churches of Christ? Or came it unto you only? Are you the only Church of God? Are there not many others founded before you that have no such customs, and permit no such disorders?
The Greek of 1 Corinthians 14:34, 35 and Dr. Spiros Zodhiates, Greek theologian and Bible Scholar says: Under no circumstances does the injunction of Paul in 1 Cor. 14:34 indicate that women should not utter a word at any time during the church service�Furthermore, the word gunaikes (1135 in v. 34) should not be translated �women� in its generic sense, but as �wives.� It is wives who should submit (hupotassomai, 5293) to their own husbands (andras, 435, v. 35). The whole argument is not the subjection of women to men in general, but of wives to their own husbands in the family unit as ordained by God.
Again, Dr. Zodhiates made this interesting point: Observe 1 Timothy. 2:11. It does not say women but a woman, and better still, a wife. The word in Greek is gune (1135), which indicates either a woman generically speaking or a wife, depending on the context. In this instance, since it stands in apposition to the word andros (the genitive singular of aner here meaning only �husband� and not �man� generically, 435), it must be translated as �a wife.� It is because of the mistranslations of these passages that the Christian world has had so much difficulty in understanding the proper position of a woman in the Christian Church�Verse 12 is again poorly translated in the K.J.V. It should not be �But I suffer not a woman to teach,� but �I suffer not a wife�.�
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As not to make this so very long I thought it very imortant that you receive this spiritual knowledge so that you may properly understand these passages you keep posting trying to use against the work I am doing in ministry. Maybe you will gain some spiritual knowledge and your eyes will be opened.
Again, what is your purpose, intent and hoped fulfillment?... am I suppose to stop doing what I am doing just because you misunderstand scripture and think women are not to teach or preach God's word?..., hope this is not your point that I or any of the other women in minstry would stop my/our work , just because YOU don't believe women are called to teach or preach... I know something bound be wrong with ya spiritually if this is what you're thinking... as I've said I would rather obey God than anything you say or think, or anyone else for that matter who try to hinder or stop me from doign what God has called me to do...
i Timothy 2:11,12: "A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or have authority over a man, she must be silent!"
I Corinthians 14:33,34: "As in ***ALL*** the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission!"
However, women are allowed to teach men in their houses as per Acts 18:26: "He {Apollos} began to speak boldly in the synagogue. When Priscilla and Aquila heard him, they invited him to their home and explained to him the way of God more adequately."
Their are other passages to show that women may teach other women in the church and since boys are not men until age 12 it is probably OK for women to teach God's Word in Sunday School to boys 11 years old and younger.
2 Timothy 3:16: **ALL SCRIPTURE** is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man {Or woman} of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work!!":applause::peace:
2 Timothy 4:2 "*PREACH THE WORD*, correct, rebuke and encourage--with great patience and careful instruction. For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine!":applause::peace:
ET has quoted one Bible theologian that claims that the reason for Paul's statement that woman must keep silent in the churches and are not allowed to teach men was because these were Jewish customs. However Paul wrote I Timothy in the latter part of his life when there were thousands of Gentile congregations and Paul always taught against accepting Jewish customs in the churches and Paul was God's major preacher to the Gentiles. And Paul said in I Corinthians that this rule was for "**ALL** the congregations" which would include all the Gentile congregations.
I Corinthians 14:33: "As in **ALL THE CONGREGATIONS OF THE SAINTS** women should remain silent in the churches!!"
Guess what PJ... I don't defend my calling with Richard or anyone else, but he DID NOT CALL ME into the ministry, God called me, and Richard wasn't there, he don't know when, and he don't know where... so he has no clue, or idea, or revelation from God of nothing the Lord told me and has done through me. One thing we do know is, that God has given me spiritual insights into His word of truth, which Richard can't began to match, nor can he touch the things of God that He has worked through me.
This is only paralleled to what Paul experienced, so I know Richard's kind, and God has equipped me for such a time as this way before Richard even came into his own salvation, so there isn't much he can speak to me about the Lord. As I always say I'm not ignorant of men as Richard, I wasn't born yesterday nor the day before...
Richard doesn't even spiritually understand scriptures northe background of the events of Paul's writings, and didn't understand the commentaries, he can't explain the passages he posts... as Paul says, he can't affirm nothing he says. If you asled him the spiritual insights and revelation of Jesus wept... he coudn't tell you.
I posted this for his edification, not mine or yours' or those of other women in ministry who who know the truth.
Richard~Prophetic~ Please be careful when taking 3 Verse�s & Scripture OUT of the Context of the Body of its Meaning�Paul is addressing Speaking in Tongues & Prophecy�.while also mentioning a �woman� asking questions during a teaching that will disrupt the course of the teaching which is forbiddin by the Hebrew Israel Jew�xo
1 Corinthians 14:20-40 (KJV)
20Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.
21In the law it is written, [ With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. ]
22Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.
23If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?
24But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all:
25And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth.
26How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.
27If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.
28But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
29Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.
30If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace.
31For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.
32And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.
*** 33For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
*** 34Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
*** 35And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
36What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?
37If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
38But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.
39Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.
Right, Passover... a woman is not able to be the husband of one wife, but she is able to be the WIFE of one husband.... And a man called into the spiritual office to be a bishop or deacon of a church, is also only to have ONE wife a well, and so is every Christian believer called to have only ONE wife or one husband. This was God's original paiting of the fmaily, husband and wife in marriage.
God has called all men to have only ONE WIFE, and all women to have one husband, unless there is death or a divorce, or because of adultery or fornication in the marriage, or abandonment as many men have walked off and left their wives and children, then in such case as Paul says, the innocent person in the marriage is free.
God never called or purposed or intened for there is be divorce, or for the woman to be head of the household, so where are all the men who ran away and left their wives and children, and the woman was left to fend for herself and children. BUT GOD!... made away way for the woman to take care of her chilsren without her husband who abandoned her, and God turned things around for her to maintain and sustain herself and chiildren and household without the husband who left her for his own selfish reason for another woman or another man in homosexual relationship, or becasue of his drugs or alcohol use, or his physical, mental, emotional, financial, or spiritual abusiveness toward her and the children...
Many women who were abandon and left to fend for themselves as head of the houshold have gone back to school gotten their education , bought houses and sent thier children off to college wthout the man who was the husband, but he abandon his wife, and the woman was left to care for the household as the head, which God never set the woman over in the beginning.
Same as in the church, men have abandon the call of God on their lives, and left the house of God, and the women are in position to take care of what God had ordained for men just as He ordained for men to head of the household but they abaondon that posotoion, and have abandon the position in God's house, and have abondon the minisrty of the gospel for homosexual relationships, have been abusives and not good stewards of God's financses, His house or his flock,... BUT GOD knew these things would be , so He started eveything into action to replace men who would abandon His houseand work in the ministry in the beginning. He is replacing men with women to get His work done for His kingdom... this was not His plan, but do you think He will stop His work just becasue men are out of place? No Hs focuse f on fulfillment of His kingdom, just as He says, if you don't open your mouth to give Him praise and worship, the rock will cry out in your stead... therefore, if men don't care to be in ministry over His house, God knows the women will replace them instead...
Did you know that God showed Himself as to what would take place thorugh a woman in he Old Testament?...
The Old Testament is a reflection of the New to come, therefore, there are mysteries hidden in God's word in the Old Testament, that leads us to have insight as to what will take place in the New before it happens. God gives us a glimps of things to come.
We know, maybe I should speak for myself and say I KNOW... shepherd means caretaker or overseers of the flock... and represents that of a person caring for sheep or herd of animals...
I also know that it was unheard of for women to be in such positions as a shepherdress in the days of old, so can you tell me who was the first woman who was a shepherdress in the Old Testament BIble out in the fields taking care of the sheep as a shepherdress? Also, is this the same word used to describe or is symbolic to that as being a minister or caretaker over God's flock, caring for His sheep which are believers of the church?
In the meantime, while you searhc for your answer, and since we are havng this Bible Study, feast on this: 5 The angel said to the women, �Do not be afraid, for I know that you are looking for Jesus, who was crucified. 6 He is not here; he has risen, just as he said. Come and see the place where he lay. 7 Then go quickly and tell his disciples: �He has risen from the dead and is going ahead of you into Galilee. There you will see him.� Now I have told you.� 8 So the women hurried away from the tomb, afraid yet filled with joy, and ran to tell his disciples. 9 Suddenly Jesus met them. �Greetings,� he said. They came to him, clasped his feet and worshiped him. 10 Then Jesus said to them, �Do not be afraid. Go and tell my brothers to go to Galilee; there they will see me.�
The very first person to carry the good news about the resurrected Savior was a WOMAN. The very first person Jesus spoke to before even speaking to His own disciples was a WOMAN! So why would Jesus give His very first words spoken AFTER His resurrection to a WOMAN to be carried to men who had walked with HIm for three years, if women were not allowed to speak in public, they women went running carrying the gospel of Jesus' resurrection and told everybody in he city? Spreading the Good News of Jesus!
The gospel of Jesus Christ's resurrectionm was first brought forth by a woman... that's awesome to think about! Jesus told the women to do what?... "Go tell my disciples that, He has risen from the dead and is going ahead of you intl Galillee. There you will see Him."
Is the very first gospel message given to anybody after the resuurection, and it was given and spoken to and by a woman, to be carried to the disciples of Jesus, telling them the Good News that Jesus had just risen from the dead.
Oone would think that this message should have been given to the disciples and they should have been the ones spreading the Good News of the Resurrection. BUT this word of God was given to a WOMAN!:yay::dancingp:...
Where were the men?... same place many are today, taking care of their own selfish business, doubting God's call and His word, fearful, abandoning God's work in ministry, and caring for matters that are not of God or that of the kingdom of God... So who does God call upon to carry His word to the people whom He knows He can trust and will be faithful? ... WOMEN, who will lay aside everything to follow Jesus Christ! AMEN!:yay::applause::glow::dancingp::peace::rocknroll::yay::boxing:...
Women were the first ones to spread the Good News about Jesus' birth, His ministry, His death, and His resurrection, and all these things are the Doctrine of Jesus Christ the gospel message we have been commissioned to GO TELL and Teach and preach, and make disciples out of all those who have faith to believe, baptizing them in he name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost!
Deacon/Usher PJ, will you pass the offering plate for our tithes and offerings this morning... while minister Jude sings us a sweet melody God has laid on her hearts....:glow::ROFL::laugh::laugh:
PEEJAY cannot be a Deacon,He is not able to teach.
And is he a divisive person.
No tithes and offerings,that was completed at Calvary.
'It is Finished'
Jude can sing all she wants,that is until someone has had something revealed to them.
By the way,just because a few men are not where they are to be.
This does not give women,or others the chance to ASSUME (We know what this is) positions that they do not belong in. That in itself is unbelief,which is the root of sin(s)usurping that which is not theirs.
