There are some who say Christians sin because we are human, and many will try to justify their sins as mistakes, or use excuses for sinning saying that God knows my/our hearts. Some even say once a person has repented when he/she became born again there is no need to repent anymore of your sins...
But God has already siad that our hearts are wicked and evil, and whatsoever defiles a person comes from the heart of the person, UNLESS the person is walking in the power of the Holy Spirit. Sin is sin to God, no matter who you are, or how long you have been a Christian. A true Chirtsian born again from above will not willfully commit sin, and then expect God to forgive him/her, or think there is no need for repentance.
Hear what God has to say about the person who sins BEFORE being born again, and the person who sins AFTER he/she has been born again.
Ezekiel Chapter 18: 4� Behold, all souls are Mine; The soul of the father As well as the soul of the son is Mine; The soul who sins shall die. But if a man is just And does what is lawful and right; If he has not eaten on the mountains, Nor lifted up his eyes to the idols of the house of Israel, Nor defiled his neighbor�s wife, Nor approached a woman during her impurity.
7 If he has not oppressed anyone, But has restored to the debtor his pledge; Has robbed no one by violence, But has given his bread to the hungry And covered the naked with clothing. If he has not exacted usury Nor taken any increase, But has withdrawn his hand from iniquity And executed true judgment between man and man; If he has walked in My statutes And kept My judgments faithfully... He is just; He shall surely live!� Says the Lord GOD.
Turn and Live
21 �But if a wicked man turns from all his sins which he has committed, keeps all My statutes, and does what is lawful and right, he shall surely live; he shall not die. None of the transgressions which he has committed shall be remembered against him; because of the righteousness which he has done, he shall live. Do I have any pleasure at all that the wicked should die?� says the Lord GOD, �and not that he should turn from his ways and live?
24 �But when a righteous man turns away from his righteousness and commits iniquity, and does according to all the abominations that the wicked man does, shall he live? All the righteousness which he has done shall not be remembered; because of the unfaithfulness of which he is guilty and the sin which he has committed, because of them he shall die.
25 �Yet you say, �The way of the Lord is not fair.� Hear now, O house of Israel, is it not My way which is fair, and your ways which are not fair? 26 When a righteous man turns away from his righteousness, commits iniquity, and dies in it, it is because of the iniquity which he has done that he dies. 27 Again, when a wicked man turns away from the wickedness which he committed, and does what is lawful and right, he preserves himself alive. 28 Because he considers and turns away from all the transgressions which he committed, he shall surely live; he shall not die. 29 Yet the house of Israel says, �The way of the Lord is not fair.� O house of Israel, is it not My ways which are fair, and your ways which are not fair?
30 �Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways,� says the Lord GOD. �Repent, and turn from all your transgressions, so that iniquity will not be your ruin. 31 Cast away from you all the transgressions which you have committed, and get yourselves a new heart and a new spirit. For why should you die, O house of Israel? 32 For I have no pleasure in the death of one who dies,� says the Lord GOD. �Therefore turn and live!�
What is also of interest is verse 24 that speaks to the Fact that a Christian can Lose their Salvation.
��All the righteousness which he has done shall not be remembered; because of the unfaithfulness of which he is guilty and the sin which he has committed, because of them he shall die.�
We need to be constantly vigilant and always working towards staying Faithful to God�s Will.
:applause::applause: Aman! Aman... thi also proves that the eprson was not truly saved as peopel professe and confesse, they have works of righteousness as Jesus speak about. And As based on Hebrews chapter 6:4-8.
THE **CALLED** THE **CHOSEN** AND THE **FAITHFUL!!
Romans 8:28-39: "We know that all things God works for the good of those who love Him, who have been called:rolleyes: according to His purpose. For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of His Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. And those He predestined, He also called; those He called He also justified; those He justified, He also glorified.
What, then, shall we say in response to this? If God is for us:rolleyes:, who can be against us? He who did not spare His own Son, but gave Him up for us all--how will He not also , along with him, graciously give us all things?Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. Who is he who condemns? Christ Jesus, who died--more than that who was raised to life--is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword?...
No in all these things we are more then conquerors through Him who loved us. For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels or demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us:rolleyes: from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord."
John 6:39,44: Jesus says, "This is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall ****LOSE NONE**** of all that He has given Me, but raise them up on the Last Day...No one can come to Me **UNLESS* the Father who sent Me draws him, and I will raise him up at the Last Day!":applause:
John 1:13,14: To all who received Him {Jesus}..He gave the right to became children of God--children born not of natural descent, nor of *HUMAN DECISION** or of a husband's will, but BORN OF GOD!":applause:
Ephesians 2:6-10: And God {The Father} raised us up with Him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, in order that in the coming ages He might show the incomparable riches of His grace, expressed in His kindness to us in Christ Jesus. For it is be *GRACE* {Unmerited favor} you have been saved, through faith--and this **NOT FROM YOURSELVES**, it is the {100%} *GIFT* of God--**NOT BY WORKS**, so that no one can boast. For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do!"
There will be two comings of Jesus on the same Last Day. The first will be **FOR** His saints and the second will be **WITH** His saints just after the Marriage Feast of the Lamb as per Revelation 19:8-20 and Revelation 17:14 "They will make war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will overcome them because He is Lord of lords and King of kings-- and **WITH HIM* will be His **CALLED **, **CHOSEN** and **FAITHFUL** followers!!":applause:
God only *CALLS** and CHOOSES** those He knows will be **FAITHFUL**.
Matthew 13:18-23: Jesus says, "Listen to what the parable of the sower means: When anyone hears the message about the kingdom and does not understand it {Such as all Roman Catholics}, the evil one comes and snatches away what was sown in his heart. This is the seed sown along the path. The one who received the seed that fell on rocky places is the man who hears the Word and at once receives it with joy: But since he has no root, he lasts only a short time. When trouble or persecution {See Matt 24:9-13} comes because of the Word, he quickly falls away.
The one who received the seed that fell among the thorns is the man who hears the Word, but the worries of this life and the deceitfulness of wealth {The Prosperity Gospel} choke it making it unfruitful. But the one:rolleyes: who received the seed that fell on good soil is the man who hears the Word and understands it. He produces a crop, yielding a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown!":angel:
He is one of the **CALLED**, **CHOSEN** and **FAITHFUL**!! It is interesting that ONLY the **CALLED**, **CHOSEN** and **FAITHFUL** will be WITH Jesus on the Last Day as per Revelation 17:14!!:applause::angel:
Richard just so you will know if anyone is on the earth they are called, they are chosen, you keep posting that scripture as if some are excluded and surely you would not do that.
phillipjohn I just quote God's Word and your continually say that God's Word is from Satan who is the god of this world and the god of all who believe Satan's Prosperity Gospel like you and Joel Osteen.
Arch, if you're going to quote something I say, please quote the whole word that I have spoken...
This is what I said ( made typo corrections) : this also proves that the person was not truly saved as people profess and confess, they have works of righteousness as Jesus speak about. And As based on Hebrews chapter 6:4-8.
therefore, I ask you what does Jesus say about those who have works of righteousness? And what does Paul say about those who have a FORM OF GODLINESS? And what does Hebrews chapter 6: verses 4-6 have to say... READ and then come back so we can discuss.
Can't discuss unless you know what is already written in the Word about those who have a FORM of godliness, and those who have WORKS of righteousness, or if you don't know what God says about those who have tasted His goodness ...
No I didn't learn this in semonary, its by revelation of the Holy Spirit who has given the understanding of what God says about a person who is truly born agian. As I said, a person who is truly born again , converted WILL NOT willfully sin by returning back to his/her old sinful nature.
So go read those lassages then we can properly discuss, what God is saying, but if you don't know what is written you can't properly discuss with inisght.
George you put words in my mouth, the bible is my source, I don't know what you use but that is your choice.
This relationship is based on a covenant, and covenants have requirements, the issue is not about can a man lose his salvation, but can a man walk away from his relationship with the lord, just as one does from a spouse, it is in the bible George, the word of fiath, by the way George I know a man can turn away.
