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Posted : 28 Oct, 2011 11:01 PM

God is mighty,

I am blessed to have come across youtube videos of Prophet TB Joshua. He is, without a doubt, a modern day prophet raised by God. To God be all the glory!

Deuteronomy 18:14~22

14The nations you will dispossess listen to those who practice sorcery or divination. But as for you, the Lord your God has not permitted you to do so. 15The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own brothers. You must listen to him. 16For this is what you asked of the Lord your God at Horeb on the day of the assembly when you said, �Let us not hear the voice of the Lord our God nor see this great fire anymore, or we will die.�

17The Lord said to me: �What they say is good. 18I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers; I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him. 19If anyone does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name, I myself will call him to account. 20But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded him to say, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, must be put to death.�

21You may say to yourselves, �How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the Lord?� 22If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the Lord does not take place or come true, that is a message the Lord has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him.

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Posted : 29 Oct, 2011 06:40 AM

Ken,



be careful when you hear what he says.

There should be many false prophets/stanic prophets to deceive the elect.



For example let's analyze what this 'pastor' said:



"Faith means the Word of God mixed with God's Spirit. When you speak the Word of God and it is mixed with the Spirit of God, whatever you decrees comes to pass."



This is pure shamanism and Word-Faith delusion. It is true that Jesus Christ is the Logos, the living Word. Every word out of His mouth was the Word of God. But the Word of God is not mixed with God's Spirit, it is the Word spoken by the Spirit of God. The Holy Spirit is the third person of the Trinity, not merely some force that can be mixed with anything. Only God can speak things into existence. If a prophet preaches the Word of God accurately then what he decrees will come to pass because it was already ordained by the Word of God. But people cannot just decide, based on some subjective experience, to declare something into existence. When you do that you open the door to demonic deception. This is faith in the force of faith, not faith in the person of Jesus Christ.



Look what he said:

"The divine person in me can do a million things simultaneously. I can appear to thousands people in their dreams in any part of the world to set them free of their sicknesses, problems and afflictions."



That's why I tell you Ken that T.B. Joshua is be a good candidate for the False Prophet.



Because ONLY God is omnipresent and omniscient!!!! People cannt be simultaneously in many places and even satan unable to do it.



CONCLUSION:

T.B. Joshua is obviously not teaching sound doctrine. In fact he is clearly teachings false doctrines as well as straight occultism. The Bible has a few things to say about people like T.B. Joshua:



2 Tim. 4:3-4 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.



2 Peter 2:1 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.



Matt. 24:23-36 At that time if anyone says to you, `Look, here is the Christ!' or, `There he is!' do not believe it. For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect--if that were possible. See, I have told you ahead of time. So if anyone tells you, `There he is, out in the desert,' do not go out; or, `Here he is, in the inner rooms,' do not believe it.



So, Ken I advise you to follow the sound teaching of Greg Laury (www.harvest.org). However he also made a few mistakes and I asked him to correct his teaching. I think he changed his messages which were wrong. However, I have not met better church than his church. that's why analyze what he says too and stick to the Bible.

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Posted : 29 Oct, 2011 07:06 AM

I do not know who wrote that response Bahira but it is wrong.



Question what is the law of faith?

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Posted : 29 Oct, 2011 07:18 AM

Heb 13:7 Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation.

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Posted : 29 Oct, 2011 07:18 AM

Heb 13:7 Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation.

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Posted : 29 Oct, 2011 08:52 AM

What is the law of faith?



Boasting Excluded



27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? No, but by the law of faith:angel:. 28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith :prayingm:apart from the deeds of the law. 29 Or is He the God of the Jews only? Is He not also the God of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also, 30 since there is one God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith. 31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law:prayingm:. Rom 3





Faith is a law in the sense that electricity has laws, and there are also laws of aerodynamics. If you operate within the laws of electricity or aerodynamics, it is safe, performs well and is dependable. However if you break those laws, it can kill you.



Likewise, if you operate within the law of faith, it too, will be safe, perform for you, and will be something to depend on.



Rom. 3: 23: For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God,

24: Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

(most people stop right here - but lets read on�)

25: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God

26: To declares I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus,

27: Where is boasting then? It is excluded, By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.



There are other laws like this, for instance, the law of the Spirit of life and the law of sin and death.



Rom. 8:1: There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit,

2: For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.



A11 of mankind has faith.



Romans 12:3: For l say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

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Posted : 29 Oct, 2011 08:57 AM

statements of pj are wring.

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Posted : 29 Oct, 2011 08:57 AM

statements of pj are wrong.

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Posted : 29 Oct, 2011 01:07 PM

If anyone is born again it is because they say with their mouth and believing in their heart that Jesus is lord. That is an example of the law of faith



It is not to contend with Bahira but the word of God is always our source if we do not believe his word the father said we dishonour God but there is not one thing I have said that can not be verified by any christian that is born again and then received the Gift of the Holy Ghost.



It was the lord Jesus that told man he could have what he said.



Jn 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Jn 15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

Jn 15:7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.

Jn 15:8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.

Jn 15:9 � As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.



Jn 16:24 Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full.

Jn 16:25 These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father.

Jn 1626 At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you:



Mk 11:23 For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.

Mk 11:24 Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.



Job 22:28 Thou shalt also decree a thing, and it shall be established unto thee: and the light shall shine upon thy ways.

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Posted : 29 Oct, 2011 08:36 PM

Glory to Yeshua,

Thank you PJ and Bahira for your great posts! Perhaps this was too much of a controvercial topic. I sincerely believe that TB Joshua is a prophet of God simply because the prophecies which comes out of his mouth do comes to pass. He declares world news before they even happen, and that is all the proof I need.

And yes, some of his teachings may sound strange but we also know that words are imperfect mediums which we use to convey infallible truths in Christ Jesus. English is not TB Joshua's native language so we shouldn't be so quick to judge our brother in Christ.

John10:37-38 - *Do not believe me unless I do what my Father does.*But if I do it, even though you do not believe me, believe the miracles, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father."

Yeshua is King of kings,

Ken

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Posted : 29 Oct, 2011 11:26 PM

Ken,

you said:

"He declares world news before they even happen, and that is all the proof I need."



But look which demons are described in the Bible. Such spirits/demons can foretell the future events and God Jesus cast them out. Why? These spirits/demons were from satan. They prognosis are always correct. Why? they are aliens..not human beings. but they fight against our God and kill even christians deceiving them.



I warn you if you will follow anyone except God, heresies and demons will destroy your life and you will NEVER reach the Kingdom of God. Why? Only God is our Father and Pastor. He said all prophecies we need. Everything is SAID. That's why we do not need any other miracles/prophecies...and teachings. We should OBEY only God.



Acts 16:16-19 [16] Once when we were going to the place of prayer, we were met by a slave girl who had a spirit:devil: by which she predicted the future. She earned a great deal of money for her owners by fortune-telling. [17] This girl followed Paul and the rest of us, shouting, "These men are servants of the Most High God, who are telling you the way to be saved." [18] She kept this up for many days. Finally Paul became so troubled that he turned around and said to the spirit, "In the name of Jesus Christ I command you to come out of her!" At that moment the spirit :devil:left her. When the owners of the slave girl realized that their hope of making money was gone, they seized Paul and Silas and dragged them into the marketplace to face the authorities.



In the Bible, demons were blamed for all sorts of behaviors. Demons were blamed for violence (Matthew 8:28), inability to speak (Matthew 9:32), failure to eat or drink (Matthew 11:18), blindness (Matthew 12:22), seizures (Matthew 17:15), living in tombs (Mark 5:2-5), being "raving mad" (John 10:20) and predicting the future (Acts 16:16-18). Frequently, demons appear to be blamed for behaviors that the people in Biblical times did not understand.



"Can Satan or demons perform miracles?"



Yes! Satan and demons are supernatural beings. All supernatural beings are not bound by the laws of nature (hence, the term supernatural).



Exodus 7:8-12 [8] The LORD said to Moses and Aaron, [9] "When Pharaoh says to you, `Perform a miracle,' then say to Aaron, `Take your staff and throw it down before Pharaoh,' and it will become a snake." [10] So Moses and Aaron went to Pharaoh and did just as the LORD commanded. Aaron threw his staff down in front of Pharaoh and his officials, and it became a snake. [11] Pharaoh then summoned wise men and sorcerers, and the Egyptian magicians also did the same things by their secret arts: [12] Each one threw down his staff and it became a snake. But Aaron's staff swallowed up their staffs.



Usually, when this story is told the emphasis is on the fact that Aaron's staff won. How did the sorcerers ("magicians") transform their staffs??? Did they pray to the God of their slaves? Hardly likely! They weren't even impressed! They had to already be hooked into some serious power to know they would be able to do miracles ! There are only two sources of that kind of power: (1) God and His angels and (2) Satan and his demons.



We read in the Old Testament about Saul the first king of Israel, a God fearing man, who at one time killed all the witches and sorcerers. However, when he did wrong, God turned His face away from him.



When Saul wanted to fight with the Philistines, he sought God's counsel, but He did not answer Saul. Instead of soul searching and repenting from his sins in the presence of God, Saul asked a woman (sorcerer) to call the spirit of Samuel (who was a great prophet of God, and was dead at the time). The woman called Samuel's spirit for the king to counsel. When Samuel's spirit was called, he said: Why have you called and distressed me? This false spirit was an evil one that had showed himself as Samuel's spirit.



Mediums or sorcerers absolutely have no access to call the spirits of dead people, any manifestation belongs to evil spirits and their job is deceiving the people and bringing them under the curse of God to get control over them and their offspring. This wrong doing was the reason God turned His face from Saul, took away his kingship and gave it to David. Saul died in his sin.

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