Thread: Did you know that it is wrong to tell others, "I go to church," or "You need to go to church"?
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Did you know that it is wrong to tell others, "I go to church," or "You need to go to church"?
Posted : 18 Nov, 2011 09:34 PM
Enough of this nonsense about "going to church".
You people are being deceived by Babylonian merchants who are deceiving you into thinking that "a church" is a building, all so you will give a portion of your life, your money, your energy, to the bankers, i.e. the Babylonian Priests of the Temple of Babylon, which oversees your lives.
This game of control and using men and making them ignorant orginated in ancient Babylon. You live under the Babylonian Master/Slave Conduct Code, where you are tricked into accepting everything you are told.
There are many references to the church in the scripture, one mentioning that it was in the winderness. This is not referring to a building, it is referring to a people separated unto God:
"This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:" [Acts 7:38]
This scripture is referrng to Moses being in the church in the wilderness, which were the Israelites. It is stating that Moses was in the body, the church, when it was in the wilderness. The Word of God never refers to the church as a building.
In this next passage, the church is descibed as being able to hear; and everyone knows a building cannot hear:
"Then news of these things came to the EARS of the church in Jerusalem, and they sent out Barnabas to go as far as Antioch." [Acts 11:22]
Here in the next verse the apostles assembled with the church at Antioch; and there is no way it can be stated that they "assembled" themselves to brick and mortar:
"So it was that for a whole year they assembled with the church and taught a great many people. And the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch." [Acts 11:26]
In this verse we read that prayer was "offered to God by the church". A building, people, cannot pray! Wake up!
"Peter was therefore kept in prison, but constant[a] prayer was offered to God for him by the church." [Acts 12:5]
I do not mean to clash with you, but you are merely quoting what you learned elsewhere. You are calling a building a church, because you do not realize how Satan slipped into the notion of the church of God being controlled by men. That is purely insane! God Owns the world, He does not need to license what He already owns:
"The earth is the Lord's, the fullness thereof, the world and them that dwell therein".
The Father does not need to rent, lease, or even buy a building, to have men worship Him.
And while we are on the subject of Sovereign Rights to the World. Why do you pay real estate or property taxes, if God Owns the World and everything in it?
The word "church" is used 80 times in 79 verses in the New Testament, and not one time in all of those verses is it used to mean a building.
Look at this verse, and notice how it uses the word to denote the believers Paul was persecuting.
"As for Saul, he made havock of the church, entering into every house, and haling men and women committed them to prison." [Acts 8:3]
It cannot mean "a singular institution", for it states that Paul was making havoc of the church [singular] by going into numerous houses, hauling men and women to prison.
And in this verse we see the apostles "gathered the church together". You cannot gather a building together.
"And when they arrived and gathered the church together, they declared all that God had done with them, and how he had opened a door of faith to the Gentiles." [Acts 14:27]
And in this verse, we see the term "feed the church". You cannot feed a building, people!
"Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood." [Acts 20:28]
And finally, "Greet the church". You cannot logically greet a building!
"Greet also the church that meets at their house. Greet my dear friend Epenetus, who was the first convert to Christ in the province of Asia." [Romans 16:5]
Wake up and quit listening to these hypocrites, the parasitical pastors, which are no pastors as all, as they harvest your ignorance, and convert it into capital and revenue, through the trick of getting you to buy into taking care of buildings which are owned by Caesar, aka Satan and his financial system.
These organized religious institutions are getting men to come, spend their lives pouring money into these monstrous state owned facilities.
Here is how you are deceived by the Luciferians. They get you to trade your lifeforce to them a percentage point of interest at a time. Here a little, there a little, soon you are completely enslaved to this whoredom alleging to be a church.
"Come out from among them and be ye separate, and touch not the unclean thing"
If you only worshipped in houses, you would not be forfeiting part of your life, part of your money, taking care of a builing and a fulltime minister, which is nothing but a business.
This is how great the deception is, which deceiveth the whole world.
Caesar, aka Satan, has deceived many throughout the world, by causing them to believe that a building is a church, and this Luciferian government of men, has tricked you into thinking that you "go to a church", so they can tax you, control you, and destroy the pure gospel, which would never hold for it for one second.
It is absurd to tell people, "I am going to church" or "You need to go to church!"
The church is people, called out of the world, who are wise and know better than to enjoin themselves to a real estate scam to fleece the flock over revenue.
Let there be no more nonsense about "going to church".
Did you know that it is wrong to tell others, "I go to church," or "You need to go to church"?
Posted : 18 Nov, 2011 10:53 PM
:ROFL::ROFL::ROFL::ROFL: GREAT BIG DOOFUS!
We are not stupid as you supose, just becasue you think we are dont make it so:ROFL::ROFL: I cant hekp at that sill post like we dont know the "Church" is the " Body of Christ" .. AWM would it make you feel better if we called it ASEMBLING??? or going to ASEMBLY?? becasue the Word of God does say to asembel and if you will read in acts a little closer you will see that peter and john were going to the temple to worship in the afternoon when they told that man "silver and gold have I none but what I have give I to thee in the name of Jesus Christ of nazareth rise up and walk"" we ll thats close anyway I dont alwasy gp back and check to make see I am quoting it right but thats purty dog gone close to what it says!! they were going to worship, so call it what you want its just comonly called going to church
Why must you split hairs? We are called in the new testement under the renewd covenant (which means same covenant refreahed and fullfilled) to asssemble so if you dont like the word church so be it that doesnt excuse you from failing not to assemble yourself together with other believers (thats pretty close too but maybe not exact)
Did you know that it is wrong to tell others, "I go to church," or "You need to go to church"?
Posted : 18 Nov, 2011 11:03 PM
Jas 3:17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.
Did you know that it is wrong to tell others, "I go to church," or "You need to go to church"?
Posted : 19 Nov, 2011 06:28 AM
Real wisdom is, that you do not call "good" "evil", and "UP" "DOWN!"
Quit deceiving men!
A building where early New Testament believers met, in the scripture, were not these buildings we have today. They met in a house, but they never called it "a church!"
The audacity of ETcallhome, to ask, "show me where it says that we are not to call a building, 'a church' ?"
This is heresy and hypocrisy and nothing more. She doesn't know the word of God, and is merely trying to make it appear as if she does.
This is the same argument of the Jews with God, as they wanted to play with the false gods and goddesses, and to create pretend temples to stand them in, all to create an economy. Men have been playing this game since the beginning of time.
But since you all want to argue, I will merely permit you to argue with the Lord and His prophet Isaiah if you are foolish enough to try;
1Thus says the LORD,
�Heaven is My throne and the earth is My footstool.
Where then is a house you could build for Me?
And where is a place that I may rest?
2�For My hand made all these things,
Thus all these things came into being,� declares the LORD.
�But to this one I will look,
To him who is humble and contrite of spirit, and who trembles at My word." [Isaiah 66:1-2]
Do you see where, right there, it is written, "But to this ONE will I look"..? The Lord is stating that His church, His temple, is MAN; a man "who is humble contrite of spirit"
[which means he is no longer arguing with the truth of God's word], "and who trembles at My word" [which means you shut your mouth, and enable His word to be your SOLE counsel in this world!]
The word of God is clear; "men are the church".
ETcallhome is being "contentious", and the word tells me that it would be better for a man to be anyplace than where a woman who is given to contention, is!
PJ is arrogant. He thinks that his much arguing with others will project him as "brilliant and wise". This is why he always is attacking Donna's posts. PJ is really mentally weak and intelligently deficient; and that is what is manifested by his constant arguing. He has gone behind me, stating such foolish things as, "IF HE ANSWERS, IT WILL BE IN ANGER!" His mouth, his being, his mind, is constantly poised to pour his poison into another. That is why he directs his commentary towards others, who are even weaker than him. He stalks these posts, seeking to find people who are weak in knowledge, and spiritually confused, because he wants to control their weakened states.
This is the Luciferian game of "I will appear BRIGHT be declaring you to be DARK!" This is the arguement of the Illuminati, whose motto is "Ordo Ab Chao", ORDER OUT OF CHAOS. PJ tries to create chaos, and then project himself into it, as being LIGHT and WISDOM. ETcallhome, you are doing the same. This is why you lazily tried to con me, and reverse the argument to me. Trust me, neither of you are wise enough or smart enough, to manipulate me. You may do it with the "ElishaBroadways" of the web, but that game will not work on a true woman or man of wisdom. They know that the Father's Word, and not what you say, is what counts!
Truth needs no one to defend it! You just put "IT" out there, and "IT" does "ITS" job.
You all are just angry that I am pointing out that you were deceived as children, your parents before you, and that you are now deceiving still other children, through this foolishness you call religion.
It is not wise that you call "light"..."DARKNESS"' which is what you are doing here.
"LIGHT" in the Bible is wisdom, real wisdom, and "DARKNESS" is the foolishness of men.
It is obvious which side you represent, from your view that the term "church" means a "building".
Did you know that it is wrong to tell others, "I go to church," or "You need to go to church"?
Posted : 19 Nov, 2011 06:48 AM
Furthermore, you are making the same argument of the woman of Samaria who was at the well, who told Jesus when she perceived that He was wise and spiritually knowledgeable, trying to make it appear as if she was spiritual, �Our fathers worshiped in this mountain, and you people say that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.� [John 4]
This is the same argument you are presenting right now. You all want to present yourselves as being spiritually wise, and you are telling others to "go to church to worship"; when true believers worship God, Who is Spirit and Truth, in Spirit and in Truth!
I worship in the earth, I worship God wherever I am; I worship God in SPIRIT and IN TRUTH!
"So He came to a city of Samaria called Sychar, near the parcel of ground that Jacob gave to his son Joseph; 6and Jacob�s well was there. So Jesus, being wearied from His journey, was sitting thus by the well. It was about the sixth hour. There came a woman of Samaria to draw water. Jesus said to her, �Give Me a drink.� for His disciples had gone away into the city to buy food. Therefore the Samaritan woman said to Him, �How is it that You, being a Jew, ask me for a drink since I am a Samaritan woman?� (For Jews have no dealings with Samaritans.) Jesus answered and said to her, �If you knew the gift of God, and who it is who says to you, �Give Me a drink,� you would have asked Him, and He would have given you living water.� She said to Him, �Sir, You have nothing to draw with and the well is deep; where then do You get that living water? �You are not greater than our father Jacob, are You, who gave us the well, and drank of it himself and his sons and his cattle?� Jesus answered and said to her, �Everyone who drinks of this water will thirst again; but whoever drinks of the water that I will give him shall never thirst; but the water that I will give him will become in him a well of water springing up to eternal life. The woman said to Him, �Sir, give me this water, so I will not be thirsty nor come all the way here to draw.� He said to her, �Go, call your husband and come here.� The woman answered and said, �I have no husband.� Jesus said to her, �You have correctly said, �I have no husband�; for you have had five husbands, and the one whom you now have is not your husband; this you have said truly.� The woman said to Him, �Sir, I perceive that You are a prophet.
�Our fathers worshiped in this mountain, and you people say that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.�
Jesus said to her, �Woman, believe Me, an hour is coming when neither in this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father. "You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews. �But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers. �God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.� The woman said to Him, �I know that Messiah is coming (He who is called Christ); when that One comes, He will declare all things to us.� Jesus said to her, �I who speak to you am He.�
That hour is now!
Quit telling men to worship "here" or "there", and confusing men by telling them that a stone and timber edifice is "a church".
When God the Father inhabits them, if it is His pleasure to do so, they will worship Him where they are at!
Did you know that it is wrong to tell others, "I go to church," or "You need to go to church"?
Posted : 19 Nov, 2011 07:32 AM
. nobody told anyone to worship anywhere, we are suposed to assemble why dodnt you argue that point? assemnle means gather together, so your dead wrong and now your just mad about it and wanting to be mean to everyone
Did you know that it is wrong to tell others, "I go to church," or "You need to go to church"?
Posted : 19 Nov, 2011 09:57 AM
Awm said: The audacity of ETcallhome, to ask, "show me where it says that we are not to call a building, 'a church' ?"
This is heresy and hypocrisy and nothing more. She doesn't know the word of God, and is merely trying to make it appear as if she does.
Ella's says: And who gives you such authority to say for a fact that I don't know the Word of God?... And why woud I have need to make it appear that I do if I do not? Can't have it both ways, either I know God's wWord of Truth or I don't.... just as either you gather yourself together with other believers, meeting in one accord in a place that has bee desinated to come preasie and worship the Lord, or you don't...
I am not ignorantt of the meaning of the word church, as meaning the body of Christ, a building not made by hands... nor am I ignorant of the meaning of the word church building/temple/synagogue/ a place of refuge, as meaning a building set aside and named after the body of Christ. A building dedicated as a place or house of worship where Christian believers gather together in one accord to pray, praise and worship the Lord, eat of the holy communion together strengthening their faith. The church, a building called by the name of God the church or House of God, or as Jesus so spoke His House shall be called the House of Prayer, where believers gather lifting up the name of Jesus Christ.
You got a office where you conduct your work, Christian believers have a building where they conduct their praise and worship...
If a building where saint gathered was not necessary, then there would not have been a need for Peter, Paul and the apostles to establish all the churches in the home of those saints in the book of Acts, Romans, Corinth, etc. or for them to to gather on Solomons porch to hear the gospel preached and pray, or even gather in the temples or synagogues, in the Old or New Testament...
Hebrews chapter 10: 23 Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for He who promised is faithful. 24 And let us consider one another in order to stir up love and good works, 25 not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as is the manner of some, but exhorting one another, and so much the more as you see the Day approaching.
Did you know that it is wrong to tell others, "I go to church," or "You need to go to church"?
Posted : 19 Nov, 2011 10:06 AM
@AWM
Hebrews 10:25 kjv Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together; as the manner of some is; but more, as ye see the day appraoching.
I Corinthians 12 27-28
Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular. And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healing, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
Did you know that it is wrong to tell others, "I go to church," or "You need to go to church"?
Posted : 19 Nov, 2011 10:14 AM
The English word "church" found in the New Testament is used to translate the Greek word "ekklesiai" which in general can refer to any assembly of people. When used in the New Testament to refer to believers the term "ekklesiai" refers to that group or assembly of people who belong to God as a result of being redeemed from sin through the death of Jesus Christ.
The purpose of this section "The Local Church" is to highlight the importance of the local church for the believer who needs to grow in the faith and for the non-believer who is seeking to know God and understand the truth.
THE PILLAR OF TRUTH
The apostle Paul when writing to Timothy described the church in this way:
(1 Timothy 3:14-15) I am writing these things to you, hoping to come to you before long; {15} but in case I am delayed, I write so that you may know how one ought to conduct himself in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and support of the truth.
The church is called by Paul the pillar and support of the truth. The truth of God's Word has been preserved and disseminated throughout the ages by the church. All people desiring to grow in the knowledge of the truth and learn more about God should find a local church that honors and teaches the Bible and begin to benefit from the teaching ministry which is offered there for them by God.
THE BODY OF CHRIST
When describing the exalted position of Jesus the apostle Paul explained that the church was the "body of Christ" with Jesus as it's "head".
(Ephesians 1:22-23) And He put all things in subjection under His feet, and gave Him as head over all things to the church, {23} which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all.
This description emphasizes the relationship that each Christian and local church has to Jesus. The church is a living organism consisting of people related to a living Savior Jesus Christ who rules over them and works through them from His place in heaven. Those who wish to draw closer to Jesus Christ and experience His working in their lives will want to come into association with a local church connected to Him by faith.
PASTORS, TEACHERS, EVANGELISTS
The apostle Paul explained in scripture that gifted people have been given to the church in order to bring the members of Christ's body to a place of maturity and fruitfulness in service:
(Ephesians 4:11-13) And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers, {12} for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ; {13} until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ.
Those wishing to grow in the Christian faith and become fruitful in service to God need to recognize the important role that the local church has in this process. Each believer needs to become a part of a local church which has people in it who have been called by God to the important biblical roles of Pastor, teacher and evangelist. God has raised up these people to build up and equip the church and without benefit of their ministry the believer will fail to grow and become fruitful.
A MINISTRY TO ALL PEOPLE
The local church is a valuable resource to any who are seeking to grow closer to God and who want to learn more about the Christian faith. Any person in this category should feel free to visit a local church in their area and take advantage of the teaching and counseling ministry that is offered there in part for them. Those who are seeking God are always welcome in the local church and should never hesitate to visit during the regularly scheduled services of the church.
For the Christian the local church is essential and without it the believer will not grow or become fruitful for God. Some Christians mistakenly conclude that they can live the Christian life independently from the local church. God's Word is clear in instructing believers not to forsake the assembly of the brethren- Hebrews 10:24-25. We urge any who have made a decision to follow Jesus Christ to make it their top priority to search out a biblically sound local church becoming a participating member as soon as possible.
In closing we encourage everyone to connect with a local church in their area to begin to benefit from what God has provided in and through His people in that place.
at that sill post like we dont know the "Church" is the " Body of Christ" .. AWM would it make you feel better if we called it ASEMBLING??? or going to ASEMBLY?? becasue the Word of God does say to asembel and if you will read in acts a little closer you will see that peter and john were going to the temple to worship in the afternoon when they told that man "silver and gold have I none but what I have give I to thee in the name of Jesus Christ of nazareth rise up and walk"" we ll thats close anyway I dont alwasy gp back and check to make see I am quoting it right but thats purty dog gone close to what it says!! they were going to worship, so call it what you want its just comonly called going to church