When a person has trusted Yeshua to be saving and protecting them from the wrath of YHWH against their sin(s),
Is this person dealt with according to their position in Yeshua as an son of YHWH,or their condition of sin as sinner.
Since Yeshua carried a persons sin(s) to Calvary.
Does YHWH see the person according to their position in Yeshua as The righteousness of YHWH in Yeshua,ordoes YHWH see the person according to their condition of sin,as one wearing filthy rags.
Since a person has trusted Yeshua to save them from the judgement of YHWH against their sin(s),
Does YHWH see this person having all of Yeshuas Righteousness,Holiness,Sanctification,and all of Yeshuas good works and His faithfulness to the will of YHWH,Being IMPUTED to that individual.
Or does YHWH still see this person clothed in their sin,trying to be accepted by doing good works,trying to be accepted on their own merits.
Does YHWH accept a person who has Repented of their sins,made a confession of Christ,been baptized,and maybe tithes,or does good works.
Does anyone believe that they can 'PLEASE' YHWH with good works,or obedience.
If this is so,then it would have to be more complete then Yeshua,who always did that which pleased YHWH.
Or-or does YHWH accept a person based soley upon their being called of YHWH,
Trusting Yeshua to save them from the wrath of YHWH against their sin(s).
Trusting Yeshua to Justify them of their sin(s)before YHWH.
Being clothed in the Righteousness of Yeshua.
Having the Holiness and Sanctification of Yeshua and all of His Good works Imputed to them.
These also have been imputed to those trusting Yeshua.
Faithfulness to the will of YHWH
His always doing that which 'PLEASES' YWHW
Yeshuas fulfilling all the law and the prophets
Yeshua fulfilling all the required sacrifices,including the tithes.
I would rather be trusting Yeshua,and Yeshua alone for my Salvation from the wrath of YHWH.
I would also rather trust that the rigtheousness,holiness,
sanctification,justification and everyone of Yeshuas good works has been imputed to me.then to trust in what i can be doing...
John 8:36 Therefore, if the Son sets you free, you are free indeed.
Does YHWH see this person having all of Yeshuas Righteousness,Holiness,Sanctification,and all of Yeshuas good works and His faithfulness to the will of YHWH,Being IMPUTED to that individual.
Yesand No!!
Faithfulness to the will of YHWH
His always doing that which 'PLEASES' YWHW
Yeshuas fulfilling all the law and the prophets
Yeshua fulfilling all the required sacrifices,including the tithes.
This statement denies faith.
Position or Condition
Posted : 24 Nov, 2011 01:50 PM
Hello everyone one:
I hope everyone has had a Blessed day.
When a person has trusted Yeshua to be saving and protecting them from the wrath of YHWH against their sin(s),
Is this person dealt with according to their position in Yeshua as an son of YHWH,or their condition of sin as sinner.
Since Yeshua carried a persons sin(s) to Calvary.
Does YHWH see the person according to their position in Yeshua as The righteousness of YHWH in Yeshua,ordoes YHWH see the person according to their condition of sin,as one wearing filthy rags.
Since a person has trusted Yeshua to save them from the judgement of YHWH against their sin(s),
Does YHWH see this person having all of Yeshuas Righteousness,Holiness,Sanctification,and all of Yeshuas good works and His faithfulness to the will of YHWH,Being IMPUTED to that individual.
Or does YHWH still see this person clothed in their sin,trying to be accepted by doing good works,trying to be accepted on their own merits.
Does YHWH accept a person who has Repented of their sins,made a confession of Christ,been baptized,and maybe tithes,or does good works.
Does anyone believe that they can 'PLEASE' YHWH with good works,or obedience.
If this is so,then it would have to be more complete then Yeshua,who always did that which pleased YHWH.
Or-or does YHWH accept a person based soley upon their being called of YHWH,
Trusting Yeshua to save them from the wrath of YHWH against their sin(s).
Trusting Yeshua to Justify them of their sin(s)before YHWH.
Being clothed in the Righteousness of Yeshua.
Having the Holiness and Sanctification of Yeshua and all of His Good works Imputed to them.
These also have been imputed to those trusting Yeshua.
Faithfulness to the will of YHWH
His always doing that which 'PLEASES' YWHW
Yeshuas fulfilling all the law and the prophets
Yeshua fulfilling all the required sacrifices,including the tithes.
I would rather be trusting Yeshua,and Yeshua alone for my Salvation from the wrath of YHWH
This statement and your use of the word trust say you have no faith.
Position or Condition
Posted : 24 Nov, 2011 01:50 PM
Hello everyone one:
I hope everyone has had a Blessed day.
When a person has trusted Yeshua to be saving and protecting them from the wrath of YHWH against their sin(s),
Is this person dealt with according to their position in Yeshua as an son of YHWH,or their condition of sin as sinner.
Since Yeshua carried a persons sin(s) to Calvary.
Does YHWH see the person according to their position in Yeshua as The righteousness of YHWH in Yeshua,ordoes YHWH see the person according to their condition of sin,as one wearing filthy rags.
Since a person has trusted Yeshua to save them from the judgement of YHWH against their sin(s),
Does YHWH see this person having all of Yeshuas Righteousness,Holiness,Sanctification,and all of Yeshuas good works and His faithfulness to the will of YHWH,Being IMPUTED to that individual.
Or does YHWH still see this person clothed in their sin,trying to be accepted by doing good works,trying to be accepted on their own merits.
Does YHWH accept a person who has Repented of their sins,made a confession of Christ,been baptized,and maybe tithes,or does good works.
Does anyone believe that they can 'PLEASE' YHWH with good works,or obedience.
If this is so,then it would have to be more complete then Yeshua,who always did that which pleased YHWH.
Or-or does YHWH accept a person based soley upon their being called of YHWH,
Trusting Yeshua to save them from the wrath of YHWH against their sin(s).
Trusting Yeshua to Justify them of their sin(s)before YHWH.
Being clothed in the Righteousness of Yeshua.
Having the Holiness and Sanctification of Yeshua and all of His Good works Imputed to them.
These also have been imputed to those trusting Yeshua.
Faithfulness to the will of YHWH
His always doing that which 'PLEASES' YWHW
Yeshuas fulfilling all the law and the prophets
Yeshua fulfilling all the required sacrifices,including the tithes.
I would rather be trusting Yeshua,and Yeshua alone for my Salvation from the wrath of YHWH.
I would also rather trust that the rigtheousness,holiness,
sanctification,justification and everyone of Yeshuas good works has been imputed to me.then to trust in what i can be doing...
John 8:36 Therefore, if the Son sets you free, you are free indeed.
This is a true statement but it has conditions to it and your words, your actions George as James teaches the principal say you are not free.You words and actions are not in agreement with Jesus.
When a person has put their trust in the Lord Jesus Christ to save him/her, they have come into the righteousness of Christ, and are NO LONGER seen as a sinner... YET, our righteousness, our goodness are still nothing but filty rags, because we cannot measure up to the righteousness or goodness, or love or grace or kindness of GOD, no matter what we do or how we try..
ONLY does God impute HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS IN US THROUGH THE RECEIVING OF CHRIST BY GRACE, AND IT IS BY OUR FAITH TO BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST AS GOD'S RIGHTEOUSNESS IN CHRIST, THROUGH THE REPNETANCE OF OUR SINS ARE WE JUSTIFIED AS RIGHTEOUS.
Romans 3:21 But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement,[i] through the shedding of his blood�to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished� he did it to demonstrate his righteousness at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus."
When we continue to walk as we are taught in the teachings of Christ, it is by the power of the Holy Spirit of God's divine love, grace, and mercy do we continue in God's righteousness. Therefore, we are seen in the eyes of God in our POSITION IN CHIRST AS THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD, and our righteousness in Christ determines the CONDITION OF OUR HEARTS AND FAITHFULLNESS IN OBEDIENCE TO GOD'S HOLY WORD.
Romans 8:5 Those who live according to the flesh have their minds set on what the flesh desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires. The mind governed by the flesh is death, but the mind governed by the Spirit is life and peace. The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit to God�s law, nor can it do so. Those who are in the realm of the flesh cannot please God.
9 You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ. But if Christ is in you, then even though your body is subject to death because of sin, the Spirit gives life because of righteousness. 11 And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, God who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because of Christ's Spirit who lives in you.
Angel, I don't think George understands or knows the meaning of thew owrd PONDER... he is so use to arguing and fighting against God's word sometimes I think in his error of spiritual misunderstanding Scriptures, he believe eveything someone says he has need to defend what he thinks he knows.:laugh:... this is what happens when a person does not have a teachers who is sound in the teaching of God;s word and you rely upon yourself. There is a false balance of spiritual understanding.
George, the word PONDER is a transitive verb, which means to weigh mentally; think deeply about; consider carefully to think deeply; deliberate; meditate upon; reflect.
1. We can do nothing on our own, when we are Saved
2. by repentance and throu Faith in the precious blood of Jesus Christ, who died for our sins, and rose again, that we might have Life!
3. We trust in Jesus and have Faith in Him for All things.
4. Whoever said we save ourself? Where did that
come from, PassedOver!
5. Faith comes from Us,
6.Without Faith it is impossible to please God.
Me
I hope you do not mind that i have numbered each of your statments,in order to answer each one.
1. We can do nothing on our own, when we are Saved
The Scriptures actually speak differently on this.
Any person in bot capable of doing 'ANYTHING' at all without Yeshua,whether saved od unregenerated.
After a person has trusted Yeshua to save them,they are still incapable of doing 'Anything.
Joh_15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
2. by repentance and throu Faith in the precious blood of Jesus Christ, who died for our sins, and rose again, that we might have Life!
Firstly 'REPENTANCE'
Greek-metanoeo
metanoe�: to change one's mind or purpose
Original Word: μετανοέω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: metanoe�
Phonetic Spelling: (met-an-o-eh'-o)
Short Definition: I repent, change my mind
Definition: I repent, change my mind, change the inner man (particularly with reference to acceptance of the will of God), repent.
3340 metano�ō (from 3326 /met�, "changed after being with" and 3539 /noi�ō, "think") � properly, "think differently after," "after a change of mind"; to repent (literally, "think differently afterwards").
Does a person repent of sin before trusting Yeshua od afterwards.
If a person is able to Repent of sin before trusting Yeshua then we have Salvation by 'Works'
When a person 'repents' Yeshua calls that person to be repenting of their 'Unbelief' of Himself,before trusting Him for salvation.
Mar 1:15 and saying, The time has been fulfilled, and the kingdom of God draws near. Repent and believe in the gospel.
Since sin is the result of Unbelief,we are then called to repent of 'UNBELIEF"
i.e.
Sin is like a dandolion;
A person sees the dandolion, wanting to remove the dandolion this person takes the dandolion and pulls the dandolion out and rejoices.
Yet in a few weeks the dandolion returns.
This time the person uses a chemical spray,which works for a short time,but the dandlion returns.
A landscaper is called and they tell the person that the dandolion roots need to be removed,once removed there will be no more dandolions.
Sin is very much the same,we see the symptoms,illicit sex,
drunkeness,drugs,greed,coveteousness,unforgiveness,hate,anger,bitterness,and every sin in Scripture known to man.
Doctors treat the symptoms of diseases,and throughout this life man deals with symptoms.
We think,because the symptoms are gone the problem does not exist.
Sin is as the dandolion roots,we deal with the syptoms/problem;
Yeshua deals with the root issues,
After Yeshua has dealt with the root issues,there will be no more outward signs of the inward workings of Sin.
No more dandolion roots,no more dandolions.
3. We trust in Jesus and have Faith in Him for All things.
Yes we should be
4. Whoever said we save ourself? Where did that
I do not know where you had gotten this idea from,
I have never posted anything here that would give anyone this understanding of Salvation.
5. Faith comes from Us,
This is not what the Scritpures say.
Faith in Yehsua 'HAS NEVER' had its origins within man.
Faith in Yeshua is from YHWH,
Faith in Yeshua is given to man as a 'Gift' of YHWH,who is being Gracious to saving the one being given 'Faith' to trusting Yeshua.
Eph 2:8 For by grace you are saved, through faith, and this not of yourselves; it is the gift of God;
English-gift
Greek-doron
d�ron: a gift, present, spec. a sacrifice
Original Word: δῶρον, ου, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: d�ron
Phonetic Spelling: (do'-ron)
Short Definition: a gift, present
Definition: a gift, present.
Cognate: 1435 dṓron(a neuter noun derived from 1325/didōmi, to give) � gift (focusing on "the free nature of the gift," Zod, Dict). That is, something "uncaused" (not coerced, spontaneous). 1435 (dṓron) occurs 19 times in the NT (sometimes referring to the gift of a ceremonial sacrifice). See 1431 (dōrea).
6.Without Faith it is impossible to please God.
This is true,yet this type of 'Faith' just does not arbitrarily hang in the air to nothing.
This 'FAITH' has an object or person to being attached to.
Without 'FAITH' in Yeshua it is impossible to be pleaseing YHWH.
Joh_8:29 And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.
Since YHWH is Always and Continually please with Yeshua.
When a person is in Yeshua,that person is 'PLEASING' to YHWH just being in Yeshua
Angel, I don't think George understands or knows the meaning of thew owrd PONDER... he is so use to arguing and fighting against God's word sometimes I think in his error of spiritual misunderstanding Scriptures, he believe eveything someone says he has need to defend what he thinks he knows.... this is what happens when a person does not have a teachers who is sound in the teaching of God;s word and you rely upon yourself. There is a false balance of spiritual understanding.
George, the word PONDER is a transitive verb, which means to weigh mentally; think deeply about; consider carefully to think deeply; deliberate; meditate upon; reflect.
Funk & Wagnalls Dictionary
Me
I might not be the brightest bulb in the box,yet i do burn longer.
