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elishabroadway View Profile History	The evidence of the holy Ghost babtism is speaking in tounges Posted : 27 Dec, 2011 12:53 PM The Evidence of the Holy Ghost Baptism is Speaking in Tongues New Languages Ordained by God, Yet Despised by Man ... Many people look askance when an individual, or a church, projects the Word of God in its fullness, and implement God's Word in their lives as He commands us to do. Argumentations particularly arise when the Word of God is quoted for the pattern of salvation: "Then Peter said unto them, Repent (have a change of mind), and be baptized (i.e. immersed)every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shallreceive the gift of the Holy Ghost." - with the evidence of speaking in tongues - ACTS 2:38. Much disagreement also arises when God's Word is shown to command us to worship Him in the new language, which the Lord puts on the lips of a person as He converts him to the Christian 'walk'. There is, however, no confusion or disagreement in God's Word, and He commands people to do as He says, not what they want to do: "If ye love me, keep my commandments." (JOHN 14:15) We find that God says in JOHN 4:23-24: "But the hour cometh, and now is, when the TRUE WORSHIPPERSshall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth." See 1 CORINTHIANS 14:14where the Apostle Paul enlightens us concerning his ability to pray in the spirit by use of the new language. Read verse 18 also. We do note that the scripture in JOHN 4 defines 'true worshippers', indicating there would be worshippers (but not 'true' ones) whose worship is not accepted by God because their prayers are not in the Spirit (i.e. praying to God in the new tongues He gives). God gave many people the new miraculous languages on their lips on the day of Pentecost (about fifty days after Christ's crucifixion) - ACTS 2:1-4. On that day, the Christian Church was born, and these new languages glorified the works of God (see verse 11). ACTS 2:37-39 give allmankind the full pattern of God's salvation. There is no compromise with God's Word! We see in JOHN 16:14that God's Spirit (as we pray in the new language) glorifies Jesus and reveals Him to us. Moreover in ACTS 2:11, we are shown that the Spirit glorified God as they prayed in the new languages: God commands that this is a 'MUST' for those who worship Him (those who are saved) - JOHN 4:24. Why then, when God's Word is so clear, should there be rebellion and confusion in the world on this issue today? God's Word tells us why! Because man and man's ways are at enmity with God - JAMES 4:4; 1 JOHN 2:15-16; ISAIAH 55:8-9. This enmity is shown clearly in these scriptures. LUKE 2:34 "And Simeon blessed them, and said unto Mary his mother, Behold, this child is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be spoken against." We note that God's Word says in ACTS 28:22that 'this sect' was spoken against everywhere. ACTS 2:22 says: "Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know." ISAIAH 66:18,19tells us that this sign would be in the midst of His people. People who pray in the Spirit (with the miraculous new languages given to them by God), are said to be heretics, fanatics, and so on. God's Word forewarns us that the people would say just this: ACTS 24:14 "But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets." Note also that verse 25of ACTS 24 tells us: "And as he (Paul)reasoned of righteousness, temperance, and judgment to come, Felix trembled, and answered, Go thy way for this time; when I have a convenient season, I will call for thee." If Paul, being of 'the way' by God's power, caused Felix the Governor to tremble, we also should keep to God's Word, follow God's way, and let God cause the nation to tremble and turn to Him. Why speak against 'God's way' when the nation is in such dire need? Why speak against God's Word and be judged for it? HEBREWS 13:15 says: "By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually, that is, the fruit of ourlips giving thanks to his name." This scripture was written to the Hebrews, a Spirit-filled people. We have seen previously how God's Holy Spirit was poured out when the Church was born in ACTS 2:1-4. Other relevant scriptures are: ACTS 10:44-48 (Verse 46 shows how they knew the Holy Spirit was poured out). ACTS 11:15-17(Peter was present on the day of Pentecost). ACTS 19:1-6. The Word of God in DEUTERONOMY 4:2, PROVERBS 30:6 and ECCLESIASTES 3:14 warns every person not to add to, or take away from God's Word, BUT to accept it as written by men inspired by the Holy Spirit. 'The fruit of (the) lips' of those people to whom Paul wrote in HEBREWS 13:15would include the new, miraculous, God-given languages of the Holy Spirit. All these scriptures should be clear to God's 'born-again' (JOHN 3:1-7) sons and daughters everywhere (ALSOto the unsaved person, who should take heed of what God has written). Remember, as one worships God in the new, heaven-given language, the Holy Spirit glorifies God (ACTS 2:11), praying according to His will (ROMANS 8:26-27), and glorifies and reveals Jesus to the believer (JOHN 16:14). Jesus did saythat these signs would follow them that believe. He did not say these signs shall follow the unbelievers and critics. So we see that no person has any right to alter the pattern as laid down by God in His Word! ALLmust refuse to compromise on God's Word. We note in 1 PETER 2:6, that God says a 'chief-cornerstone' is laid (i.e. Jesus Christ, who is the Word of God). Verses 7 and 8 tell us: "Unto you therefore which believe (who trust and adhere to Jesus) he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders (the Jews) disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner, and a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed." JOHN 1:1-14reminds us that Jesus Christ is the Word of God. Because people are disobedient to Jesus' Words, and will not obey them, they stumble at them. Jesus said: "If ye love me, keep my commandments." (JOHN 14:15). GOD'S WORD IS CLEAR !! THE WORD OF GOD DOES NOT NEED TO BE INTERPRETED - BUT ACTED UPON ! We are always to ... EXALT THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST OUR SAVIOUR, BAPTIZER, GLORIOUS LORD, AND COMING KING. ...ANDthere is no way to do this, but by telling others of the pattern of salvation as written in God's Word, reading and obeying that Word, and worshipping God by praying in the new, heaven-given tongues poured out on His people when they are saved by His grace. Post Reply
Agapeton View Profile History	The evidence of the holy Ghost babtism is speaking in tounges Posted : 27 Dec, 2011 03:14 PM God gave many people the new miraculous languages on their lips on the day of Pentecost (about fifty days after Christ's crucifixion) - ACTS 2:1-4. On that day, the Christian Church was born, and these new languages glorified the works of God (see verse 11). Sister, these people didn't get NEW languages, they spoke THEIR OWN languages on Pentecost and other people heard AND UNDERSTOOD THEM IN THEIR OWN LANGUAGE ( see verse 6). Here is what the Word says: Acts 2: 1-11 ESV Act 2:1 When the day of Pentecost arrived, they were all together in one place. 2 And suddenly there came from heaven a sound like a mighty rushing wind, and it filled the entire house where they were sitting. 3 And divided tongues as of fire appeared to them and rested on each one of them.4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance. 5 Now there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men from every nation under heaven. 6 And at this sound the multitude came together, and they were bewildered, because each one was HEARING THEM SPEAK IN HIS OWN LAGUAGE. 7 And they were amazed and astonished, saying, "Are not all these who are speaking Galileans? 8 And how is it that we hear, each of us in his own native language? 9 Parthians and Medes and Elamites and residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, 10 Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya belonging to Cyrene, and visitors from Rome, 11 both Jews and proselytes, Cretans and Arabians--we hear them telling in our own tongues the mighty works of God." By the way, If this is the only example of tongues being spoken, then the gift of tongues is of a known man's language because people UNDERSTOOD THEM when they did it. May the Lord bless you, sister. Oh, by the way, I was wondering if you would still answer my question in this topic, if possible. ( http://www.christiandatingforfree.com/forum/forum_details.php?topic_id=13801&forum_sub_cat_id=14&start=0 ) Thanks. Sal Post Reply
elishabroadway View Profile History	The evidence of the holy Ghost babtism is speaking in tounges Posted : 27 Dec, 2011 03:57 PM I agrre that on the day of pentecost they spoke their own languae and others understood them! I didnt wright that article I saw that part and disagreed with it as well however there were other things I did agree with! But in acts chapter 2 is not the basis of what I was trying to point out! probablybetter to point out corinthians and romans thjan acts when arging for speaking in a prayer language for the evidence of the holy ghost babtism Post Reply
Agapeton View Profile History	The evidence of the holy Ghost babtism is speaking in tounges Posted : 27 Dec, 2011 04:14 PM I see, sister but there really seems to be no example of this prayer language given to people in Scripture. We cannot go beyond that the Scriptures say (1 Cor. 4:6), sister. If there is no example of this language without any examples of Scripture to show for it then we have to abide by the Scriptures and no more. Agree? We first have to find this tongues prayer language as being given in the book of the Acts of the Apostles to see if it was given as men teach it or the Scriptures teach it. Do you agree, sister? Post Reply
View Profile History	The evidence of the holy Ghost babtism is speaking in tounges Posted : 27 Dec, 2011 04:25 PM Of course there is Agapeton. Post Reply
Agapeton View Profile History	The evidence of the holy Ghost babtism is speaking in tounges Posted : 27 Dec, 2011 04:36 PM Phillipjohn, can you show me please? Thanks. Post Reply
View Profile History	The evidence of the holy Ghost babtism is speaking in tounges Posted : 27 Dec, 2011 04:40 PM Let me get it clear are you saying you see no scripture that say they prayed in tongues. Post Reply
View Profile History	The evidence of the holy Ghost babtism is speaking in tounges Posted : 27 Dec, 2011 04:45 PM Agapeton I agree there should always be Scripture to go by when explaining the Word of God. The Holy Spirit is real, I know this for myself and I also believe in the Tongues it is still evident in the Church today. Post Reply
View Profile History	The evidence of the holy Ghost babtism is speaking in tounges Posted : 27 Dec, 2011 04:49 PM 1 Cor 14:2 ~ For he that speaketh in an [unknown] tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth [him]; howbeit in the [[[ spirit ]]] he speaketh mysteries. Eph 6:18 ~ Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the [[[ Spirit, ]]] and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints; xo... :0) Post Reply
Agapeton View Profile History	The evidence of the holy Ghost babtism is speaking in tounges Posted : 27 Dec, 2011 04:49 PM I said that there seems to be no Scripture where people were given this prayer language of tongues that wasn't understood by anyone, Phillipjohn. If you can give me an example within the book of Acts to show me where people were speaking in tongues that no one understood, please? Thanks. I've already asked this question in this topic ( http://www.christiandatingforfree.com/forum/forum_details.php?topic_id=13801&forum_sub_cat_id=14&start=0 ) in hopes of some clarification but I have gotten no reply. I was hoping that someone would, brother. I can paste the whole context of what i asked regarding what was stated if you wish, PJ. Post Reply
View Profile History	The evidence of the holy Ghost babtism is speaking in tounges Posted : 27 Dec, 2011 04:52 PM I don't believe that is important to the subject of receiving the Holy Ghost, What i see and hear is people trying to understand the word mentally and instead of believing what is written. Post Reply

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