Thread: Discerning(testing) A spirit, if it be of God...
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Discerning(testing) A spirit, if it be of God...
Posted : 3 Jan, 2012 09:55 AM
It is as I stated through the discussions with Agapheton, and asked the questions as to his intent and purposes for his questions and comments he made in questioning what is written in God's holy word, and about his true faith in what is written about Jesus Christ;.
Here are a few of my comments from another thread from Monday 1/02/2012: "Agapheton, Darling please know that you have not challenged anyone beliefs here, you have only PORVEN YOUR OWN SPIRITUAL IGNORNACE AND UNBELIEF, doubt, and a lack of spiritual godly wisdom> You are not even able to spiritually articulate what it is you THINK you know... your spirit is not of God nor in leadrship under that of the Holy Spirit, but of the devil who has you WIRED UP FOR HIS SERVICE, and fooled to make you think you know something others don't know, and about God's word...
How foolish can the devil make you think so highly in pride of yourself when you cannot even connect the dots of the scriptures to even bring forth and express your stance, because you are only posting what you are gathering and rewording informaytion from articles written by unbelievers...
You don't have enough God power nor spriitual Word enlightment to challenge PJ, Angel, or me or anyone who is sincerely in Chirst... you deceive yourself when you THINK you have more than others especially when what you speak goes nowhere, and is void, null, and empty!"
"Right Angel... and you know what happens when people question God's word in disbelief, and yet cconfess to being a Christain believer is, that if they are asking questions for a better understanding the Holy Spirit will reveal to them the answers. But if a believer is asking questions trying to denounce what God has written as not being a truth, God will make it difficult for the person to ARTICULATE what it is they are trying to say, and therefore, the person will speak in a state of confusion, saying and agreeing with one thing, then with another, God says a flase balance is a sin... it either one way or the other, not both.
As Paul points out, God will give the person a delusion, to casue the eprson to think that what he/she is speaking is correct when in fact it does not line up with nothing in God's word, nor with any biblical teachings.
This is why we, as believers must be very careful as to what we read online, and whose articles we quote from, because there are many people out there who are posting stuff that SOUND spiritually sound, but is really denouncing God and the BIble. And this is the sign of the antichrist, and how believers will be deceived into belieivng a lie as Paul speaks about in Thessalonians.
When a person denounces everything Christian faith is based upon, and give no biblically solutions we must them start questioning that person's motives, intent, and purpose as we are taught, otherwise, we will becaome deceived and find ourselves caught up in their false believes and doctrines...search the scriptures and compared commanteries, ask questions and listen to your pastor if he is biblically sound, and most importanly pray for guidence of the Holy Spirit for revelation fo what God is speaking."
The articles from which Agapeton was using to question how long Jesu was on earht was written by Earl Doherty an unbeliever who has doubts, and thinks that Jesus might be a myth. This is why it is SO VERY IMPORTNAT that believers seek the Holy Spirit and ask for discernment in order to test the spirit of the person who is coming and creeping into the body of Christ with ANOTHER GOSPEL that is not of God, nor is it of faith in belief in Jesus Christ, but has a FORM of godliness and spiritual knowledge.
Please be warned as Paul as so warned us about listening to others who come to us with ANOTHER GOSPEL, WE ARE TO WATCH, AND PRAY, AND KNOW THE WORD OF GOD FOR YOURSELF, in order that you amy TEST THAT SPIRIT whether it be of God or the devil:
All that Agapeton has post questioning the gospels about Jesus is information he gathered from reading writings of Earl Doherty and Bernard D. Muller methodology of trying to undertsand Jesus and God and to prove that the gospels about Jesus may or may not be true. To question the existance of Jesus Chirst... is this true faith and belief... I doubt it very seriously, but I know many of you were carried away with Agapeton and most likely felt that ANGEL, Elsiha, PJ, and I, AND A FEW OTHERS WHO QUESTIONED Agapeton's motives, intent and purpose were being arrogant and full of pride, as he so stated, and I'm sure you all agreed, but you yourselves are not rooted and grounded in God's word of truth, and don't have a clue as to when you hear or have heard ANOTHER GOSPEL.
Nevertheless, I report, YOU DECIDE: The website that Agapeton posted also has a warning that the research about Jesus was not done by faith, in other word this dude was out to discredit the existance of Jesus but the evidences he found was too overwhelming for himm to DENY the total personhood of Jesus' existance
Earl Doherty: (born 1941)[1] is a Canadian author of Challenging the Verdict (2001), The Jesus Puzzle (2005) and Jesus: Neither God Nor Man (2009). Doherty argues for a version of the Christ myth theory, the view that Jesus did not exist as an historical figure.
Education: Doherty has a working knowledge of Greek and Latin, which he has supplemented with the basics of Hebrew and Syriac
The Jesus PuzzleDoherty was introduced to the idea of a mythical origin of Jesus by, among other things, the work of G. A. Wells, who has authored a number of books arguing a moderate form of the "Christ myth" theory.
Doherty has used the title "The Jesus Puzzle" for four different works. In 1997, the Journal of Higher Criticism published his article, "The Jesus Puzzle: Pieces in a Puzzle of Christian Origins." In 1999, his book The Jesus Puzzle: Did Christianity Begin with a Mythical Christ? was published by Canadian Humanist Publications. He uses the title for a website where he publishes additional commentary and responses to reviews and criticisms of his work. He also used the title for a novel which he provides for download on his website.
In all four of these works, Doherty presents views on the origins of Christianity, specifically promoting the view that Jesus is a mythical figure rather than a historical person. Doherty argues that Paul and other writers of the earliest existing proto-Christian Gnostic documents did not believe in Jesus as a person who incarnated on Earth in an historical setting. Rather, they believed in Jesus as a heavenly being who suffered his sacrificial death in the lower spheres of heaven in the hands of the demon spirits, and was subsequently resurrected by God. This Christ myth was not based on a tradition reaching back to a historical Jesus, but on the Old Testament exegesis in the context of Jewish-Hellenistic religious syncretism heavily influenced by Middle Platonism, and what the authors believed to be mystical visions of a risen Jesus.
According to Doherty, the Jesus myth was given a historical setting only by the second generation of Christians, somewhere between the 1st and 2nd century. Doherty claims that even the author of the Gospel of Mark probably did not consider his gospel to be a literal work of history, but an allegorical midrashic composition based on the Old Testament prophecies. In the widely supported two-source hypothesis, the story of Mark was later fused with a separate tradition of anonymous sayings embodied in the Q document into the other gospels; according to Doherty these became interpreted as the literal history of the life of Jesus. Doherty denies any historical value of the Acts of the Apostles, and refers to works by John Knox,Joseph B. Tyson,[8] J.C. O'Neill,Burton L. Mack and Richard Pervo[11] in dating Acts into the 2nd century and regarding it as largely based on legend.In 2009 Doherty self-published a revised edition of his book, with a new title of Jesus: Neither God nor Man.
Reception Among authors sympathetic to the view that Jesus never existed, Doherty's work has received mixed reactions. The Jesus Puzzle has received favorable reviews from skeptics Robert M. Price and Richard Carrier.[14] Frank R. Zindler, former editor of American Atheist, in a review of The Jesus Puzzle described it as "the most compelling argument against the historical Jesus published in my life-time".[15] George Albert Wells, who now argues a more moderate form of the Christ myth and who rejects Doherty's view that the mythical Jesus of Paul did not also descend to Earth,[16] has nonetheless described The Jesus Puzzle as an "important book".[17] R. Joseph Hoffmann considers that there are "reasons for scholars to hold" the view that Jesus never existed, but considers Doherty "A 'disciple' of Wells" who "has rehashed many of the former�s views in The Jesus Puzzle (Age of Reason Publications, 2005) which is qualitatively and academically far inferior to anything so far written on the subject".[18] Doherty has responded that his work owes very little to Wells.[19]
Writers who do not necessarily support the hypothesis that Jesus did not exist have found merit in some of Doherty's arguments. Hector Avalos has written that The Jesus Puzzle outlines a plausible theory for a completely mythical Jesus."[20]
This hearing is not of the mind or mental abilities
No Hearing, No faith.
When you study the parable of the sower you will notice all intially heard and received the word but only one walked in the truth and produced,
This is a picture of the process of faith in the heart and exposure of hindrances and obstacles to faith.
It starts with the renewing of the mind to the word of God, no one can believe spiritual things with the mind, it is with the heart only, but an unrenewed mind will keep the heart from receiving, because the believer is allowing his mind to dominate him, the living Spirit.
Will you hear
So that you may see....
This is The Acceptable Year of the Lord To Increase Spirtually, that you may make your calling and election sure.
Jesus, a historical reconstruction In-depth & documented research on the historical Jesus and the beginning of Christianity, from available evidence & critical methodoBy Bernard D. Muller
INTRODUCTION
Note: my definition for 'historical' in "historical Jesus" is 'having lived in the past', based on the Collins English Dictionary (Canadian Edition), "belonging to past", and with 'Jesus' being the name of the man credited to have started Christianity.
Who was the historical Jesus?
On one side, his earthly existence is denied by some. On the other is the incarnated "historic" Word of the ecclesiastic establishment. And then we have the scholarly renditions of the "historical Jesus": the charismatic founder of a movement or sect, as a sage, revolutionary, healer, magician, myth maker, prophet, one "in the Spirit", etc.
This website is not about anyone of these theories. Instead, its outlook is entirely different.
First, let's keep in mind the following:
By a simple act (remaining seated in a bus, then arrested), Rosa Parks (a humble seamstress then) provided the spark which gave birth to the momentous modern Civil Rights Movement, led by others from the start. Decades later, she was considered its "Mother" and revered as an icon, despite the fact she withdrew from it early on.
Then, considering the above, can we assurely answer "no" to this question:
Could Jesus have existed as just a lowly Jew, but through circumstances leading to (& about) his execution, triggered the later development, by others, of a (religious) movement and cultic beliefs?
But do we have evidence for this minimal Jesus and (despite his low status) about how he unwittingly initiated Christianity?
As a matter of fact we do, in a surprisingly large quantity, and many of them are found in the gospels (some others in Paul's epistles, as shown later). But then, can the gospels, criticized as unreliable, be used in the quest of the real Jesus?
"the writing of each Gospel reflects the experiences and circumstances of early Christians. They do not all tell the same story of Jesus because each one is responding to a different audience and circumstances." (PBS frontline 'From Jesus to Christ')
Despite their flaws, discrepancies, unhistorical items, suspected embellishments/fiction and overall purpose of bolstering faith, these writings (and some others in the N.T.) have "down to earth" and "against the grain" bits & pieces, which make a lot of sense on a human, social, cultural & historical standpoint. But how can we be sure of their truthfulness? Could these items be outright inventions?
But if it is the case:
- Why give Jesus four brothers and at least two sisters (Mk6:3), rather than emphasize his uniqueness?
- Why base him among the uneducated villagers of Capernaum, his new home (Mt4:13), a poor town in Galilee?
- Why bother to have him get a "mother-in-law" (Mk1:30) out of bed?
- Why give him a few "unschooled" fishermen (Mk1:16-20, Ac4:13) as his main followers?
- Why have him say: "you are worth more than many sparrows" (Lk12:7/Mt10:31)?
- Why tell his own people wanted "to take charge of him" and saying: "he is out of his mind" (Mk3:21)?
- Why reveal the disciples as "questioning what the rising from the dead meant" (Mk9:10) (after they supposedly saw an alive Moses!)?
- Why start Jesus' public life right after the arrest of John the Baptist, who attracted a much larger audience: "Then all the land of Judea, and those from Jerusalem, went out to him [John]" (Mk1:5a)?
- Why have Jesus declare "among those born of women there is no one greater than John [the Baptist]" (Lk7:28a/Mt11:11a), lowering Jesus below John (conflicting with Mk1:7!)?
- Why write "Now as the people were in expectation, and all reasoned in their hearts about John [the Baptist], whether he was the Christ or not" (Lk3:15)?
- Why relate, after John's execution, ""Who do people say that I am?" They replied, "Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah"" (Mk8:27b-28a), when Christ is set far above John (and John himself as Elijah: Mk9:12-13)?
- Why report on failed expectations: "he [Jesus] was near Jerusalem and the people thought that the kingdom of God was going to appear at once." (Lk19:11b)?
- Why have Jesus disowned by his companions and crucified as "king of the Jews" (Mk15:26) for the benefit of Gentile Christians?
- Why would the most reliable early manuscripts of Mark's gospel end as such, with the "empty tomb" undivulged and without reappearance: "... And they [the women who allegedly witnessed the empty tomb] said nothing to anyone, for they were afraid." (Mk16:8)?
Some of these points, and a lot of other ones, are certainly creating doubts about Jesus as the Son of God, Lord or Christ (Anointed One). And some of them were troublesome for the early Christian writers/preachers, as for Paul:
1Co1:23 YLT "... Christ crucified, to Jews, indeed, a stumbling-block, and to Greeks foolishness ..."
Gal5:11 "... the offense of the cross ..."
2Co13:4 "... He was crucified in weakness ..."
However, these overlooked pieces of data, and many others, shed a lot of light on the real Jesus and why he set off unintentionally the evolution of Christian beliefs. Furthermore --and somewhat unexpected-- from them (& Josephus' works) the resulting reconstruction fits too well together (and explains so many things) that it cannot be easily dismissed.
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It took me three years doing research on the history of (very) early Christianity. Then, with no predetermined agenda, I decided to write this reconstruction about the historical Jesus and the sequence of events ('historical thread') leading to the earliest Christian doctrine. It is a sincere conclusion of a personal exercise motivated by my curiosity and not any anti-Christian propaganda or apologetic effort.
My approach, as an investigative and critical historian, will appear radically new. The research was not based on studying extensively scholarly works; but instead by inquiring about contextual facts, scrutinizing primary sources, getting free from past indoctrinations and, above all, doing a lot of thinking. Never interested in learned opinions, lofty intellectualism, slick or bullying rhetoric, agenda-driven "studies" or ill-validated theories, I strived to discover the bottom of things, the facts and the bare truth, as naive as it may sound.
"Hypotheses are established as valid when they are able to account for the bulk of the evidence." Malhon H.Smith
With its many components backed up by series of attestations & short arguments, this reconstruction (with its associated "deconstructions") is thoroughly documented. Furthermore,
- Contrary pieces of evidence & interpretations are flagged and addressed (which is usually not done in scholarly works!).
- Great care is taken about the dating, authorship & later alterations of crucial early Christian texts.
- Loose ends and miscellaneous critical issues are examined in the appendices.
I think you will find this work, as a whole, to be solidly stand-alone and fully coherent, despite covering a lot of ground before & after the crucifixion and handling a huge amount of multi-sourced evidence! No other "historical Jesus" inquiry goes as far!
Some elements have already been reported by others. But you will be astonished, just as I was, when stumbling upon the unexpected!
The reconstruction will show that, among other things, the main events of Jesus' last year & days are best explained by the peculiar historical context, and also, with the religious/political background, were likely to start later cultic beliefs (which they did).
A far-fetched supposition? Too big of a challenge?
Not at all: surprisingly, the numerous pieces fit easily into place, like the ones of a jigsaw puzzle, with no need for delicate argumentations, convoluted interpretations and long discussions.
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When eyewitnesses were still alive, Paul wrote about a minimal Jesus (but also, for Paul, pre/post-existent as a heavenly deity) who, from "Israelites, ... whose [are] the fathers, and of whom [is] the Christ, according to the flesh ..." (Ro9:4-5 YLT) and "come of a woman, come under law" (Gal4:4 YLT), "found in appearance as a man" (Php2:8) "in the likeness of sinful flesh" (Ro8:3), "the one man, Jesus Christ" (Ro5:15) (who had brothers (1Co9:5), one of them called "James", whom Paul met (Gal1:19)), "humbled himself" (Php2:8) in "poverty" (2Co8:9) as "servant of the Jews" (Ro15:8) and, after "the night in which he was delivered up" (1Co11:23 Darby), "was crucified in weakness" (2Co13:4) in "Zion" (Ro9:31-33 & Ro15:26-27).
And the same picture can also be seen at the bottom of the earliest gospels, especially the first one, Mark's.
The early Christians did not seem to consider the earthly Jesus as (theologically) sacred:
"Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man [Jesus] will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven" (Mt12:32a)
His historic presence appears to have been rather minimal:
"but made himself [Jesus] of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant" (Paul in Php2:7)
Very little external evidence about him is available.
But then, according to Paul:
"we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden ..." (1Co2:7)
"... we speak not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, communicating spiritual [things] by spiritual [means]." (1Co2:13 Darby)
"... we have the mind of Christ." (1Co2:16)
"... I laid a foundation as an expert builder, and someone else is building on it." (1Co3:10)
"I did not receive it [Paul's good news] from any man [Paul had met Peter & other eyewitnesses], nor was I taught it; rather, ... by revelation from Jesus Christ." (Gal1:11-12)
"... it pleased God ... to reveal His Son in me, that I might preach Him among the Gentiles." (Gal1:15-16)
Christianity did not grow from the sayings or deeds of an earthly Jesus!
Still later, step by step, in order to propel the actual Jesus as "evidence" for the divine entity claimed by Paul:
"... Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God." (1Co1:24)
"... one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom [are] all things ..." (1Co8:6 Darby)
"... God sent forth His Son, come of a woman ..." (Gal4:4 YLT)
the successive gospels considerably enhanced him beyond measure:
"But these [miraculous signs] are written that you may believe that Jesus is Christ, the Son of God ..." (Jn20:31a)
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I trust the quotes (mostly from first century authors) and data used here to be truthful or, at least, providing valid information. For example, I consider Mk14:27 (with Mt26:31 & Jn16:32) as an indication on what really happened, as the gospel author (and his community) knew it.
I carefully determined "truthfulness" and avoided the rest, such as unauthentic sayings, ambiguities and expediencies,
(St. Gregory, fourth century bishop of Nazianzus, writing to St. Jerome (Hieron. ad. Nep.):
"A little jargon is all that is necessary to impose on the people. The less they comprehend, the more they admire. Our forefathers and doctors have often said not what they thought, but what circumstances and necessity dictated to them."quoted by C. F. Volney, The Ruins (Boston, 1872) p. 177) from my study on early Christianity (with the political, social, religious and cultural background) and the making of the New Testament (and other early Christian writings), plus, of course, a review of the critical studies on the subject.
Which of the three persons of the Triune GODHEAD have you replaced,seeing that you are omniscient to be able to be judging someone to being a devil.
I know,maybe it was Yeshua,seeing that He had taken the sins of the world upon Himself.
That He was beaten to the point of death and hung upon a cross four three hours.
Then he had His side pierced with a spear / lance.
Maybe it is the Holy Spirit.
He might be tired living within each and ever believer at the same time,seeing that each believer still sins as long as they breathe.
Taking their prayers and bringing them before YHWH.
Maybe the Holy Spirit has run out of Grace,giving all of those gifts for free,maybe He should charge a fee like they do in the church..
You need to step down off of the mountain of PRIDE,and seek refuge in the valley of HUMILITY,with the people you berate..
There is only ONE which is the HIGH and ALMlIGHTY ONE,and Ella that one is not you.
Mat 25:40 And answering, the King will say to them, Truly I say to you, In so far as you did it to one of these, the least of My brothers, you did it to Me.
George said: To Ella, Which of the three persons of the Triune GODHEAD have you replaced,seeing that you are omniscient to be able to be judging someone to being a devil.
I know,maybe it was Yeshua,seeing that He had taken the sins of the world upon Himself. That He was beaten to the point of death and hung upon a cross four three hours.Then he had His side pierced with a spear / lance.
Maybe it is the Holy Spirit. He might be tired living within each and ever believer at the same time,seeing that each believer still sins as long as they breathe.Taking their prayers and bringing them before YHWH.
Maybe the Holy Spirit has run out of Grace,giving all of those gifts for free,maybe He should charge a fee like they do in the church..
You need to step down off of the mountain of PRIDE,and seek refuge in the valley of HUMILITY,with the people you berate.. There is only ONE which is the HIGH and ALMlIGHTY ONE,and Ella that one is not you.
Mat 25:40 And answering, the King will say to them, Truly I say to you, In so far as you did it to one of these, the least of My brothers, you did it to Me. The Farmer.
George in case you don't know:
GOD SAYS: I John 4:1 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2. This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.
4 You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world. They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them. 6 We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood.
For your information George, I think Agapeton means well, but he is being led the wrong way, because of his lack of spiritual insight into God's word by FAITH TO BELIEVE, caused by his doubts, unbelief, and reading STUFF by those who DO NOT BELEIF and QUESTION whether or not the Lord Jesus Christ even extisted. And when a person starts to nd does not know the difference between what is God's wrod and man's OPINIONS of what they think is God's truth tested by faith and the Holy Spirit of God.
For your information George, I think Agapeton means well, but he is being led the wrong way, because of his lack of spiritual insight into God's word by FAITH TO BELIEVE, caused by his doubts, unbelief, and reading STUFF by those who DO NOT BELEIF and QUESTION whether or not the Lord Jesus Christ even extisted. And when a person starts to nd does not know the difference between what is God's wrod and man's OPINIONS of what they think is God's truth tested by faith and the Holy Spirit of God.
ooooppps! sorry about that, this posted before I could finish my comments, and had nerves to post twice.
CORRECTIONS by Ella: For your information George, I think Agapeton means well, but he is being led the wrong way, because of his lack of spiritual insight into God's word by FAITH TO BELIEVE, caused by his doubts, unbelief, and reading STUFF by those who DO NOT BELIEVE and QUESTION whether or not the Lord Jesus Christ even extisted. And when a person starts to question if Jesus Chirst lived and how long He lived and if God exist, something is very worng, and if its not of God, ther only other choice is of the devil! And when a person does not know the difference between what is God's Word of Truth and man's OPINIONS of what they think is God's truth tested by faith and the Holy Spirit of God, this is of the devil's work, not of God!
I believe Agapeton is here by the sovereign will of YHWH,in order to confront your unbelief,and the unbelief of many on this site.
Believers are to be as soft clay in order for the word of YHWH to sink in and form the mind and undestanding of those which ears He has opened to hear His Word.
2Co 4:6 Because it is God who said, "Out of darkness Light shall shine," who shone in our hearts to give the brightness of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. Isa. 42:6, 7, 16
2Co 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, so that the excellence of the power may be of God, and not from us;
Maybe you and others are not as clay,maybe you are like concrete,and nothing of the Word of YHWH is able to penetrate your hardened heart.
I for one appreciate Agapeton,for at least he has the heart and mind of a thinking person,which has been opened by the Holy Spirit of YHWH.
Too many here have their faith made up,which not even the Holy Spirit of YHWH is able to change when necessary.
Ella,when you and the others here which have been berating Agapeton,please remember this Word of YHWH.
Myself,you can berate me all you want,seeing that you and others do this almost every time i writ something which does not go with your religion.
Ecc_12:11 The words of the wise are as goads, and as nails fastened by the masters of assemblies, which are given from one shepherd.
I hope you have a Blessed and safe week
Oh and wtch out for those Flat bed driving truckers.
George why is it you endorse all that walk in the flesh and say it is of God.
You just said with your words that God will violate his word.
I was just listening to a testimony of a man that came back to the lord in a concert of The second chapter of act's, he had left the church becuase he said , he did not want any of that Holy ghost stuff, is it not amazing that the night he got right with the lord, that is where he was, and everything you say is not true is exactly what his testimony is, including the lord giving him a new heart, physical that is. Jesus is the same Jesus that is in the word of God.
Shared ~ I believe Agapeton is here by the sovereign will of YHWH,in order to confront your unbelief,and the unbelief of many on this site.
*** :glow:...Well I believe we are all here ( Including Agapeton) to Fellowship and have some Fun while getting to Know each other...Some are here to cause Dis-ease and Dis-cord among the People here...Some are really Bad at what they Contibute and do...Stirring the Pot of Darkness and Death...Others are really Good at what they Contribute and do...Being a Light in the Darkened world for those that are still Lost...
*** The topic is Title: Discerning (testing) A spirit, if it be of God...Well...I've had hands on with this...and its something NOT to be takin lightly...The Gift of Spiritual Discernment is a Peek into the Heavenly Realm such as in Revelations...The "Testing" of a "Spirit" is a Completly differant Matter...It doesn't take much for a person to "see" a Spirit that is Not of GOD...for if God's Spirit (HOLY) is Within...they will love thier Brothers and Sisters...even the Enemies...Its a Truer Test of a "Spirit" NOT of God when you Know its "Name"...and Cast it Out...All very Serious Business...Be Blessed Yall...xo
