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Posted : 4 Jan, 2012 08:33 PM
So many people now are making posts about how a church service is conducted, and comparing the services to the first church! I personaly dont know that much about how the st century church worshiped but I an tell yall how my church worships and its nothing like the thread agapeton posted or maybe it was george I am startiung to get them mixed up like I used to get awm mixed up with george:ROFL:GO FIGURE
anyway, when we get to church and sit down the pastor gives the acouncements like revivals coming up and so forth, then he calls up the choir wich consists of anyone in the congrigation who wants to get up and sing and lead the congrigation in hyms, then we sit down and sis toby sings a song or 2 and anyone who wants to get up and sing alone is encourgaed to sing they do not need prior permission or practice if hey want to sing they can! Then she turns it over to the pastor then he asks if anyone has anyone to say for the lord, or a testimony to share or a word of encoragment!
aftwer that he usualy will go into his message, so at this time if it is sunday we sit still and listen but on wedsnday nights we are encoraged to join in and have a discussion! So after the messgae oh I forgot that we do pray before the message is given we pray right after he reads the scripture and we also stand when he reads the scripture then we pray WE PRAY!!! opk then after the message is given he may give an alter call, then (whether oir not their is an alter call) he asked if anyone needs special prayer and we then go up and get prayed for , for whatever reason or we may "stand in" for someone else that may be sick or need salvation now if someone is sick but unsaved we pray for their salvation thats what is importent!
Now after that we have a book that has prayer requests in it, we then pray over that book and when prayers in that book are answered we wright it down next to the original request we wright prayer answeerd! Now after that if its wedsnady we are dismessed in prayer and then we stand arouns a little and talk lioke every other church, but if it is sunday this is when the offerning is taken up! We do not take up tithes and offering anytime except sunday and if we have som speacial service like we had a singing for a little girl with cancer we took up an offring biut every single bit was given to that girsl family, now we had a very good singoing group come my uncle glenn sings for them they are very good but they got nothng to come they volonteered their time and every penny went to that girl and her family not much about 750 dollars but thats a whole lot when your broke and struggling!
we also have box in the church for food we bring can goods and it is giving out to people saved or unsaved whoever has need!
Now I dont see anything wrong with the way we conduct our services, oh we also stay after church lots Nand lots of times and eat together as a family we have pizza or hot dogs or sometimes a coverd dish we do eat together a lot, we also (my church family) spend time together outside of church my pastors wife is my best friend we do things togethr but not just me but the whole church we all spend time togethr alk on the phone and pray for eachother even on tuesday and saturdays, we are not just family sunday and wedsnsday, but all week long!
I am just trying to give yall an idea of how we all do it, since so much speculation has been made
our church services at shiloh ministrries full gospel church
Posted : 4 Jan, 2012 09:04 PM
So you church is a pastor led church it seems. Nice to know that while the pastor is on the podium everyone in the congregation becomes an ear and his personal testimony that he had to study and prepare for the whole week (be it right or wrong which in a structured church setting CAN'T BE corrected during the sermon by others in public according to Scripture because it would be in bad taste no matter how bad or unscriptural the teaching may or may not be) becomes the tongue of a passive non participatory "body" of Christ.
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Posted : 4 Jan, 2012 09:21 PM
Elisha, I respect you sharing abut your church services, but as I've told you before you have no need nor are you obligation to justify or explain your ORDER OF SERVICE to anyone, especially on this forum
God is a God of order, and this is what Paul was writing about to the Corinthian church as to how to conduct worship services in order, God requires order in all things, and especially in worship serives which are for His glory no one else. Even in the Old Testament worship services were done in the spirt of ORDER before the Lord.
We live in the 21 century, not the first century, and when you read the book of Acts, even the first cenrtury church when they gathered there was ORDER, and throughout Paul's ministry order or worship is spoken about. Again, God is a God of ORDER AND HE DEMANDS ORDER.
Thanks for sharing, but you have no need to justify or explain what goes on in your church to those who do not attend anybody church and try and judge and condmen those who do attend church... and for the most part are not gathering with anyone for praise and worship of the Lord, as we are exhorted to do. Jesus and Paul and the apostle preached in the synaguages and temples, and before crowds of people on Solomons porch, in boats, on mountain tops wherever the crowd followed them...but you can best your bottom dollar there was ORDER!
As Paul warns us, this type of spirit is what Paul speaks about whne he says if they were a part of us they would still be with us, but they went out from us preaching and teahcing their own doctrine and turning weak believers from the faith instaed of speaking words to edify them and point them to Christ.
God bless you Elisha , you are indeed a godly woman, and in this, God is well pleased!:yay::applause::glow:
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Posted : 4 Jan, 2012 09:28 PM
actuly agapeton my pastor works full time and has 6 children and one on the way he works five days a week at a factory! Ther has to be some sort of order in the churh agpeton if there was no one to lead then everyone would just sit and look at each other? are you even a christinian I am starting to wonder if you are really AWM come back and faking to be someone else until cdff dfigures you out again and gives you the boot ,do you think hat it please the Lord how much time you spend cutting others to pieces?
Let me ask you this do you think hat all I need to be saved is to repent and confess and believe on the Lord Jesus for salvation? If thwe answer to that is yes then you agree that I am saved! That being said do you think its nessasary to cuyt me down all the time! Or for that matter everyone else! You are a constant sorce of strife agap[eton! You steadly stir the stink! You never every say one thing to encorage anyone th3e most encorgaging thing you say is calling one of us brother or sister while you belittle or insult us or call one of us proud!1 LOL me proud thats funny! as I have prayed consistently for the Lord to teach me true humility and since He honors prayers that are consistant with his word and his will then I nknow he is teaching me humility!
I am sure you hdidnt see where I asked youi before if you had ever heard the term pasive agressive? Youshould check it out BROTHER! I say it with love bro you are coming off to us as very very passive agressive whether you think you are or not, something like that is all about preception you can intend not to be and say your not passive agressive until it hairlips the pope but that dont change the fact thatI and I am sure several other of my firends/brothers and sisters on here have precieved that you are passive agressive therefor iif we precieve thatyou are then in fact you are as its subjective!
OH YOU thought I was an ignorant idiot redneck I am sure, you are high minded and think way higher of your wordly knowlege than you should
agape I leave you with this scripture that I love and maybe instead of speaning so much time tying to prove why everyone else is wrong and you are right maybe you should meditate on the word of God this s cripture may be a good place for you to start it is one of my favs and one that we should all rememebr as it puts things into presepective when we start thinking we know so much!!
This is what the word says about knjowing so much
For by the grace given me I say to every one of you: Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but rather think of yourself with sober judgment, in accordance with the measure of faith God has given you.
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Posted : 4 Jan, 2012 09:36 PM
thjanks sister ella, I really just wanted to share becasue so many people think church is church but in reality all churches have aspecs that are different! But from agapetons reply t is clear that all he saw in my post was that we had a pastor, he never saw that we prayed for each other in every single service or that we ALWASY keep a box where we collect food for the poor or that we only take up an offering in one service a week unless we have a service just to raise money for someone in need at which time we give the money directly to them! all he saw was that the pastor gives a message, and sometimes he doesnt I myself have actuly given the message before whgich I expounded on the 103rd psalm and what it meant to me personaly! people cant see spirittual things through eyes of flesh! It saddens me thatsome are so qick to pick people apart every single day his motives become more clear!
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Posted : 4 Jan, 2012 10:24 PM
Who is cutting you down, sister? Where did I say anything that cut you down? have i made any topics that offended you in anyway or were directed towards you, sister? if so, please show me so that i could apologize.
Now for the fact that your getting offended about your church services not being Scriptural, that I'll leave to your conscience to decide. Me, I know the facts of Scripture. The church order is right there in Scripture, if you choose to find it.
But here. I'll post this here in regards to what you posted in my thread so that you don't have to go far and figure out why i said what i did.
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Posted : 4 Jan, 2012 05:03 AM
no agapeton, of corse things are not the same as tey were in the first centurty. it would be obserd to say they were! we have no way of knowing exsactly howthey worshiped but I am sure they sang aongs and I am also ure that being concerned about keeping the traditions of the 1st century church would be legalistic! I dont see one reason why we shouldnt worship however we see fit (we being a unified body of believers) My church is an old wooden building with a tin roof and concrete floors it has grass growing p through the cracks I go and clean it every 2 weeks and pull the grass up and spary for ants, furthermore our service is not like you described we certainly dont have ushers handing out anything we sit down and first we sing then there are some that sing special songs maybe whoever wants to gets up it doesnt hjave to be planned then the preacher preaches then we have a prayers service wich may include an alter call ,also incluse having special prayer where we lay hands on someone and anoint them with oil , then wqe have a prayer list that we anoint and pray over for prayer requests, after all of that we then gice the offering its nothing like most churches thouigh we are free to speak out if we have a question or something to add !
ME: Actually Elisha, by reading of the epistles and Paul rebuking the churches WE CAN SEE HOW THEY WORSHIPED EXACTLY. TO say that it would be legalistic to go back to them is no only inaccurate but donw right forsaking the truth and simplicity of Scripture with a bold faced lie. See the current structure of the church now is more legalistic than anything and far less Scriptural that you can even imagine. Here I'll show you an example of How the gatherings were in Paul's day just by putting a few verses out and showing you something.
You describe how you sit and then you sing. Well let us talk about this planned singing a little bit. Listen to Paul's description of a New Testament church meeting: "EVERY ONE OF YOU hath a psalm" (1 Corinthians 14:26). "Speak to ONE ANOTHER with psalms, hymns and spiritual songs" (Ephesians 5:19, NIV). Consider the words "every one of you." Song leaders, choirs, and worship teams make this impossible by limiting the headship of Christ-specifically His ministry of leading His brethren into singing praise songs to His Father. Do you realize that these people who are "appointed" to lead the gathering to sing is a throw back from the time of Constantine's day? During Constantine's reign, choirs were developed and trained to help celebrate the Eucharist. The practice was borrowed from Roman custom, which began its imperial ceremonies with processional music. Special schools were established, and choir singers were given the status of a second-string clergy. With the new addition of the choir in the Christian church, singing was no longer done by all of God's people. It was now done by clerical staff composed of trained singers. The clergy felt that if the singing of hymns was in their control, it would curb the spread of heresy. By AD 367, congregational singing was altogether banned. It was replaced by music from the trained choirs. Those choirs are today's worship leaders and bands today.
How do you expect The Spirit to work and inspire ANY OF US to want to spontaneously "sing psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, with thankfulness in your hearts to God (Col.3:16)" with when it is planned by someone?
Now do you want to talk about the message? Where in Scripture does it show that only one person can deliver a massage? AND WHERE DOES IT SAY THAT ONLY A PASTOR CAN DO IT? Did it ever occur to you that the only verse in Scripture where "pastor' is used (Eph. 4:11) is NOT describing A LEADER IN A SPECIFIC GATHERING? The very idea of this "office" being elevated to a sole big mouth and transforming every attendant of the gathering into a silent passive ear has completely gone against every word in 1 Corinthians 12-14 where EVERYONE IN THE CHURCH MEETING HAS A RIGHT TO MINISTER to one another. It has made every seat warmer in the church forget that they ALL SHOULD BE "teaching and admonishing one another in all wisdom (Col. 3:16)" in the church gatherings.
Now, do you want to hear about my church? My church is a building without walls. This building has many priests in it. The foundation within in is that of a rock. On that rock sits 12 pillars. On those pillars there are a lot of living stones one upon the other. There is no "stand alone" leader in that church but many congruent parts. The only pastor of that church is the Lord. Do you know it, sister? Because if you don't, then i'd love for you to join it.
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Posted : 5 Jan, 2012 05:02 AM
Thanks for sharing about your church service Elisha. It is hard to find a church like yours. I think what Agapeton is getting at is how the believers are supposed to be able to participate more and it shouldn't just be a one man show. I myself would just like to find a small bible study where we meet, study the word, discuss it and pray.
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Posted : 5 Jan, 2012 07:11 AM
Shalom, sorry, but there is no where in scripture where it states that those gathered in worship service particpated in the discussing when Jesus or Paul, or Peter or anyone minister of the Lord stood before the people and spoke. The participations comes when the congregation can witness what the pastor or speaker si saying by saying AMEN! as is recorded thorughout scriptures.
In fact, this is why Paul was rebuking the Cprinthians because there was NO ORDER IN THE CHURCH, questions were being asked when the man of God was up speaking and this is called DISORDER,.
There is nowhere in scripture where when Jesus was up before the people that those seated listening to Him speak interupted him, asking questions or disucssing what He spoke. There is no were in scriptures where when Peter or any one of the apostles spoke before the crowd in the synaguages and in the temples, where anyone spoke out during the time they were speaking, or asked any questions during his addressing the audience..
Shalom, You speak about a "ONE MAN SHOW" during worship service, it is not about a ONE MAN show, its about having a man or woman of God bringing a message before the people, and those who come to hear sit and listen.
If you would like to ask questions and disrupt the ORDER of services then a person should attend a bible study discusssion, or Sunday School.
What Agapeton and what George sppeak is nothing short and nothing more than foolishness.... trying to justify why they do not attend church. If you would like to participate in the discussions of the Bible then you should attend bible study classes or Sunday schoold classes.
George and Agapeton, Don't go trying to compare what happened in the first century church to what is happening in the 21 century church and saying this is worng, as a way to excuse why yu're not attending church. Cuz, you don't know what happened in the churches during worship services, outside of what is told in the bible, becasue its a nonessential that this should be recorded about who sang what or even if there were instruments. This has not one thng to do with salvation as to if there was a band or whatever, no matter where or how they worship, THERE WAS ORDER!
You don't have the slightes clue as to what kind of worship services they had, because you wren't there, and we are not told this, only what took place in the Corinthian church when Paul REBUKED the leaders for allwoing people to speak out asking questions during the message that was brought to them, so this makes what you speak a lie, and is the devil's way to and help you justify why you do not attend church. Neither one of you see that the devil is using you as his go-fors" and making fools out of you both, using your own blindness and al you speak condmens yourself and your own unrighteousness..."
Jesus and the apostles WALKEDFOR DAYS EVERYWHERE THEY WENT, in the first century, so WHAT YOUR EXCUSE FOR DRIVING A CAR EVERYWHERE YOU GO TODAY?
YOU BOTH ARE JUST FULL OF IT, that's your problems! Nothing more and nothing less, hypocrites in the first degree...No understanding whatsoever of God's word as you would like to think you have...
How IGNORANT CAN ONE BE TRYING TO COMPARE THE FIRST CENTURY CHURCH TO THE 21 CENTURY CHURCH, just because the people of God have built buildings to gather in for worship, instead fo having to gather in houses, and the first century people of God could not afford to do so. Many churches gather in houses in case you don't know becsue they can't afford building, so how many people do you think fit into a house in the first century church? God said He add 3 and 5 thousand to the church, so where did they all gather to hear the apostle preahc to them?
Jesus taught in the temple, so do you think the people interupted Him when he spoke to the people asking questions?... When you attend meetings or seminars, do you interupt the speaker asking questions? I don't think so...GET REAL! AND STOP YOUR HYPORISYIES!
Your hypocrisy CONTINUES TO SURPASSES THAT OF THE PHARISEES!
If you know so much about God's word as YOU CLAIM, what is it that you speak that is edifying and building up the body of Chirst? Not one dare thing, because all you do is find fault and have no solutions and of a false balance, which is a SIN! And this makes you a hypocrite and a critic, and there is nothing you speak that is pleasing to the ears of God... seeing that it is God who placed PASTORS as leaders over the church and his people. You know the word, then you should also know what God speaks about people like the two of you!
So all you are doing is blespheming judging and condemning God's work, He is the one who called the pastor, and the evangelist, and the teachers and the prophets, so you're are condemning and judging what He has done for the church. Maybe you can tell us what His intent and purpose was for the calling of these titles and positions in the church?
Please hear the warning, You are being used by satan... And you don't even see your own faults and sins and the devil is having a field day with you as his servants.... and in the words of Jude... so figer...:purpleangel::dunce::goofball:
