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Admin	The Rapture,Yes or no ! Posted : 8 Mar, 2012 12:51 PM When we read the Scriptures we must remember that a translation is just that a TRANSLATION of the original language. The original languages of the WORD are Hebrew,Aramaic, Chaldee and Greek. With this in mind is the following Scripture talking about the PRETRIBULATION rapture of the believers. I personally do not believe so. I hope we could discuss the without the tearing others apart. Shalom Rev 3:7 And to the angel of the assembly in Philadelphia, write: These things says the Holy One, the True One, the One having "the key of David," "the One opening, and no one shuts; and shuts, and no one opens:" Isa. 22:22 Rev 3:8 I know your works. Behold, I have given a door being opened before you, and no one is able to shut it, for you have a little power and have kept My Word, and have not denied My name. Rev 3:9 Behold, I give out of the synagogue of Satan those saying themselves to be Jews, and they are not, but they lie. Behold, I will make them come and bow down before your feet, and they shall know that I loved you. Rev 3:10 Because you kept the Word of My patience, I also will keep you out of the hour of trial which is going to come on all the habitable world in order to try those dwelling on the earth. Rev 3:11 Behold, I am coming quickly. Hold what you have that no one take your crown. Rev 3:12 The one overcoming, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall not go out any more. And I will write the name of My God on him, and the name of the city of My God, the new Jerusalem which comes down out of Heaven from My God, and My new name. Rev 3:13 The one who has an ear, hear what the Spirit says to the assemblies. Post Reply
dljrn04 View Profile History	The Rapture,Yes or no ! Posted : 8 Mar, 2012 12:59 PM No, all those who believe the bible, believe we are waiting for Christ return. All the rest of Revelations has already happened. Post Reply
View Profile History	The Rapture,Yes or no ! Posted : 8 Mar, 2012 01:09 PM The Rapture,Yes or no ! *** No...xo Post Reply
View Profile History	The Rapture,Yes or no ! Posted : 8 Mar, 2012 01:17 PM To Donna and Jude: I have heard many men use this text of Scripture to proclaim that this is talking about the rapture of the believers. Why do you two ladies do not believe that this is about the rapture. Shalom ps: I will be back tomorrow as i need to rest. I work the midnight shift,and the company has added one more stop to my route. I might be back in the afternoon sometime. Post Reply
View Profile History	The Rapture,Yes or no ! Posted : 8 Mar, 2012 01:20 PM I guess you have to define the rapture? Then one has to acknowledge the thief and why he lies about the bible. Then you would understand, assuming you want to know the truth. The arrogance to believe revelation has already happened How would you even think you are a christian. Post Reply
dljrn04 View Profile History	The Rapture,Yes or no ! Posted : 8 Mar, 2012 01:22 PM Revelation 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants--things which must shortly take place. And He sent and signified it by His angel to His servant John, 2 who bore witness to the word of God, and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, to all things that he saw. John already saw what happened in the book of Revelation. It already happened. Then the 2nd to last verse of the bible says Revelation 22:20 He who testifies to these things says, "Surely I am coming quickly." Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus! So I am waiting. Post Reply
View Profile History	The Rapture,Yes or no ! Posted : 8 Mar, 2012 01:38 PM Hmm. Da Post Reply
shalom716 View Profile History	The Rapture,Yes or no ! Posted : 8 Mar, 2012 02:14 PM I guess the jury is still out on that one, but personally, I do not believe we will go through G-d's wrath. I do believe we will go through man's wrath when antichrist is here with persecution of believers. I believe the verse which you quoted above POC is G-d's promise that he will keep us from the hour of temptation, meaning that he will protect those who are truly His. Many opinions on this subject and very controversial topic! Peace beloved ones. Post Reply
View Profile History	The Rapture,Yes or no ! Posted : 8 Mar, 2012 02:22 PM "I guess the jury is still out on that one, but personally, I do not believe we will go through G-d's wrath. I do believe we will go through man's wrath when antichrist is here with persecution of believers. I believe the verse which you quoted above POC is G-d's promise that he will keep us from the hour of temptation, meaning that he will protect those who are truly His." A consistent use of "G-d" rather that God, or the Lord, is usually an indication that the person using "G-d" is a follower of the Hebrew Roots Movement, Sacred Name Theology or perhaps some group of Messianic Judaism. As far as i know about dispensationalists, they have not consistently used "G-d." However, the merging of dispensationalim,Hebrew Roots, the Sacred Name theology and Messianic Judaism is very well a movement for the very end times. Post Reply
shalom716 View Profile History	The Rapture,Yes or no ! Posted : 8 Mar, 2012 03:11 PM I don't claim any affiliation with any of these groups, but I believe Ella or someone already asked why I abbreviate the Sacred Name. I appreciate the roots of my christianity and choose to abbreviate like messianics do because they do not believe YHWH's name should be discarded, but treated with utmost respect. It is a matter of choice and while it is still day and we live in a free country I will worship in spirit and in truth the way I choose to acknowledge the great "I AM" (couldn't abbreviate it, it was already short) :laugh: :peace: Post Reply
Agapeton View Profile History	The Rapture,Yes or no ! Posted : 8 Mar, 2012 03:21 PM There is a Biblical "rapture (the word comes from the Latin Vulgate's translation of harpazo in 1 thess. 4:17)" when the Lord comes on the Last Day, (John 6:39,44,54) which when all will be resurrected and judged. The modern "rapture" theory is ironically a Catholic "revelation" that was widely taught in the 1800's. As a matter of fact, the whole 7 year tribulation eschatological ideology is nothing but philosophical rhetoric with a few improperly duct taped verses to attempt to explain it. Historically, the book of Revelation was widely debated as whether it should have been added to the NT canon because of its content and what it originally implied. The epistle was a warning to the 7 churches and the surrounding believers about the soon coming impending judgement upon Israel from God using the Romans. The symbolism in the epistle was used for several reasons but the main one was to disguise the content and the intended receiver of the news because it would have been speaking badly about the Roman rulers and worthy of death to the author and listener. Nice thread, brother. May all who read and peacefully participate in this be fully blessed by our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ who gives wisdom to all who ask Him. Post Reply

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