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Admin	The Tongue Of the Unrenewed Mind Posted : 13 Apr, 2012 06:34 AM Justify's man's self appointed right to interpret the word of God. This mind will always go against the truth. Post Reply
View Profile History	The Tongue Of the Unrenewed Mind Posted : 13 Apr, 2012 07:14 AM You haven't proved your assertion from the other thread yet. Why must anyone prove the contrary? I agree with you that the Spirit is how we are transformed "by the renewal of our mind"(Romans 12:2) In speaking of interpretation of scripture, you give the simplistic answer that we are to just read and believe. I also agree that we are to believe what we read. However, you fail to account for why your interpretation of a verse(and yes it is still an interpretation by definition) is correct. You simply say that you agree with the spirit and that all others who oppose you do not. Are you willing to admit that there is at least one verse that you do not completely understand in all of the bible? Are you seriously saying that every verse you read, you just simply understand right then as you read? I'll give an example... I could post John 6:65 and ask you what it means that.."No one can come to Me unless it has been granted from the Father." Actually this very verse has been brought up in threads with you involved several times in the past. Your answer is that those who know truth agree with this scripture. However you have never once explained what the scripture means. I understand the Spirit tells you what the verse means. Having said that, how come you know what the scripture means, but are never able to break down the verse and show why it means that? Does the Holy Spirit who teaches you the verse not also give you understanding of the verse? These are questions you've never been able to answer. Post Reply
View Profile History	The Tongue Of the Unrenewed Mind Posted : 13 Apr, 2012 07:24 AM Furthermore, we use reason in everyday life. While I know that the Holy Spirit is the means by which we are enlightened to the gospel and saved...I would not believe had it been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that Jesus's did not rise from the dead. Our faith would be in vain. It would not be reasonable to believe. Paul agrees here(1 Corinthians 15) Post Reply
View Profile History	The Tongue Of the Unrenewed Mind Posted : 13 Apr, 2012 07:33 AM Also, we have several verses that rely on culture and tradition of the time. Are you attempting to tell my that by simply reading the verse without knowing any of the history of the culture and their traditions, you know EXACTLY what the verse is saying? Post Reply
View Profile History	The Tongue Of the Unrenewed Mind Posted : 13 Apr, 2012 07:36 AM Also, we must deal with the fact that scripture interprets scripture and that it cannot be contradictory. So if there are two seemingly contradictory verses, we know that we have the wrong interpretation of one. Reason shows us that we seek a different interpretation. You claim this is sinful. Post Reply
View Profile History	The Tongue Of the Unrenewed Mind Posted : 13 Apr, 2012 07:41 AM For your reading pleasure... >Should Christians endorse the use of reason? Two equal but opposite mistakes are possible in answering that question. (1) Believers can recognize the appropriateness of using reason, taken as their intellectual faculty, but then slide into endorsing reason as intellectual autonomy. (2) Believers can recognize the inappropriateness of reason as intellectual autonomy, but then mistakenly think this entails rejecting reason as an intellectual faculty. The first group honors God's gift to man of reasoning ability, but dishonors God through its rationalism. The second group honors God's ultimate authority and the need for obedience in all aspects of man's life, but it dishonors God through anti-intellectual pietism. Paul counterbalances both of these errors in Colossians 2. He writes that "all treasures of wisdom and knowledge are deposited in Christ" (v. 3). Accordingly we must "beware lest anyone rob you through philosophy, even vain deceit, which is after the tradition of men, after the elementary principles of the world, and not after Christ" (v. 8). This exhortation is not a diatribe against the use of reason or the study of philosophy. Paul makes it clear that believers have the advantage of the best reasoning and philosophy because Christ is the source of all knowledge -- all knowledge, not simply religious matters or sentiment. Moreover, if there are many philosophies which are not "after Christ," there is also that philosophy which is. Anti- intellectualism throws the baby out with the bath. It destroys true wisdom in the name of resisting foolishness. On the other hand, it is equally plain from Colossians 2 that Paul does not endorse reasoning and philosophy which refuse to honor the ultimate authority of the Lord Jesus Christ. It is in Christ that wisdom and knowledge must be found. Any alleged wisdom which follows the traditions of men and elementary principles of the world -- rather than Christ -- is to be rejected as dangerous and deceitful. The Bible teaches us, therefore, that "reason" is not to be taken as some neutral authority in man's thinking. It is rather the intellectual capacity with which God created man, a tool to be used in serving and glorifying the ultimate authority of God Himself.< http://www.cmfnow.com/articles/pa098.htm Post Reply
View Profile History	The Tongue Of the Unrenewed Mind Posted : 13 Apr, 2012 08:24 AM View Profile History The Tongue Of the Unrenewed Mind Posted : 13 Apr, 2012 06:34 AM Justify's man's self appointed right to interpret the word of God. This mind will always go against the truth. Post Reply
Agapeton View Profile History	The Tongue Of the Unrenewed Mind Posted : 13 Apr, 2012 10:31 AM I see that PJ is doing exactly what his topic claims by going with what he thinks is correct to deny the truth. Good points, brother Hope. Post Reply
View Profile History	The Tongue Of the Unrenewed Mind Posted : 13 Apr, 2012 11:32 AM Will justify's man's self appointed right to interpret the word of God. This mind will always go against the truth. Post Reply
View Profile History	The Tongue Of the Unrenewed Mind Posted : 13 Apr, 2012 11:32 AM Will justify's man's self appointed right to interpret the word of God. This mind will always go against the truth. Post Reply
View Profile History	The Tongue Of the Unrenewed Mind Posted : 14 Apr, 2012 11:18 AM Phillip John, stop spamming. You know how to copy and paste, congratulations, we get it. You have basic computer skills. HoldingOutHope... you win the entire forum. Congratulations, it's yours. Post Reply

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