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Admin	Jn 3:15 Who is The Whosoever: Posted : 15 Jun, 2012 02:05 PM Then how does the Whosoever receive The promise Jn 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. Whosoever is as from the beginning of the revelation of man in the garden, and that revelation has never changed. Whosoever is defined or revealed as from the original text as: all, every, whole, always all,every ,every one,whole one, it makes very clear no exceptions. believeth: to believe, put one's faith in, trust, with the implications on that trust may follow. him: speaking of Jesus The promise is to not perish and receive eternal life. To any and all that will act as thought and say Jesus my lord will receive eternal life. Post Reply
View Profile History	Jn 3:15 Who is The Whosoever: Posted : 15 Jun, 2012 02:13 PM Yea Jesus did in order that everyone believing will have life. That's what the verse says. It doesn't say all can believe. I don't know why you still don't get this after how many times it's been explained to you. Post Reply
View Profile History	Jn 3:15 Who is The Whosoever: Posted : 15 Jun, 2012 02:14 PM Furthermore IDK why you've started 10 threads on this same text. Are you that insecure about it? Post Reply
View Profile History	Jn 3:15 Who is The Whosoever: Posted : 15 Jun, 2012 02:24 PM The bible supports the truth from the beginning of time that all can believe. The real question is why you try to derail all post in light of the truth, the word of God. There has never been a question of man's ability to believe in the word of God. You have made it clear that refuse to accept that truth, that is between you and the lord. He will reveal that truth to any that ask. Post Reply
View Profile History	Jn 3:15 Who is The Whosoever: Posted : 15 Jun, 2012 02:29 PM In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that THOU HAST HID these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight. Luke 10:21 Oops. Post Reply
View Profile History	Jn 3:15 Who is The Whosoever: Posted : 15 Jun, 2012 02:37 PM No...John 3:16 says that Jesus died for all those who believe. It does not say "all can believe"....that's quite the stretch there. Post Reply
View Profile History	Jn 3:15 Who is The Whosoever: Posted : 15 Jun, 2012 02:38 PM Ryan said - "I don't know why you still don't get this after how many times it's been explained to you. " God has not given him the ability to understand it and until or unless God grants him that ability, he will be stuck in his carnal mind - dead in his trespasses and sins. Period. Post Reply
View Profile History	Jn 3:15 Who is The Whosoever: Posted : 15 Jun, 2012 02:44 PM Ugh...thanks for having a level head here. I keep letting myself be dragged back into this. To me it's such a simple reading if you don't try to read it in light of your presuppositions. I will just sit back and be in prayer that God may see fit to reveal these things to Him. Post Reply
View Profile History	Jn 3:15 Who is The Whosoever: Posted : 15 Jun, 2012 03:00 PM In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that THOU HAST HID these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight. Luke 10:21 Oops. If you want others to believe that scripture, says the truth found any where in scripture is not true. There are those that project that scripture nullify's scripture, but that would not be a response of a believer. For that to be true one would have to believe there is darkness in the lord and his word and I know that is not true. From the beginning to the present age man has believed the word of God. and man have denied it. I realize the practice of some that try to apply the tradition's of men, to make the promise of God of none effect. Which any statement against the revelation in Jn 3:15-16 does is to deny the promises are of none effect. No...John 3:16 says that Jesus died for all those who believe. It does not say "all can believe"....that's quite the stretch there. Ryan said - "I don't know why you still don't get this after how many times it's been explained to you. " God has not given him the ability to understand it and until or unless God grants him that ability, he will be stuck in his carnal mind - dead in his trespasses and sins. Period. Ugh...thanks for having a level head here. I keep letting myself be dragged back into this. To me it's such a simple reading if you don't try to read it in light of your presuppositions. I will just sit back and be in prayer that God may see fit to reveal these things to Him. These responses are the seed of strife and you two are the origin of them. You do not have to have to respond, and the blood is on your heads. Ryan to make that statement say it does not say that all will believe. First one would have to wonder why anyone would make such a statemnet. The word of God has always been very clear that faith is expected and required of man. To say man can not believe is to call the father liar in every instance where he reveals the fact. That statement is to call the father unjust. That statement says the word of God is no effect. That statement declares the word of God is corruptible. That statement says the word of God does not abide and is not alive. That statement says the blood of Jesus was shed in vain. We could go on and on. To reject the word of god is to dishonour all of the Godhead. Btw the way I will tell you again study the parable Jesus made it clear man'a ability, just as 3:15-16 Post Reply
View Profile History	Jn 3:15 Who is The Whosoever: Posted : 15 Jun, 2012 03:13 PM John 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. *** The verse does not contain the word (all) however the greek word "pas" which is translated into Proper English as "whosoever" by Renouned and Venerated Scholars of Hebranic and Greek languages does have specific meaning whosoever G3956 ~ pas~ adjective ~ Including all the forms of declension ~ 1) individually a) each, every, any, all, the whole, everyone, all things, everything 2) collectively a) some of all types *** And this is the dividing differance between Protestant Reform that eventualy lead to the division of Luther and Calvin... xo Post Reply
View Profile History	Jn 3:15 Who is The Whosoever: Posted : 15 Jun, 2012 03:41 PM PJ...I read your post. I'm glad you are starting to question why I make my statements :) Post Reply

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