Thread: Did Messiah Yeshua celebrate ' christmas '
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Did Messiah Yeshua celebrate ' christmas '
Posted : 18 Dec, 2016 07:02 AM
Hello everyone.
Did anyone in the New Covenant celebrate 'christmas' ?
Is there anywhere in the Word of GOD where we are told to celebrate ' christmas'
Did Paul, Peter,James,John or any other of those with Messiah celebrate christmas, NO, Then why do the 'christians ' celebrate something not found in the Word of GOD Almighty?
We are told to proclaim His death when we break bread.
Luke 1:30-35: The angel said to her, "Do not be afraid, Mary, you have found favor with God. You will be with child and give birth to a Son, and you are to give Him the name Jesus. He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David and He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, His kingdom will never end." "How will this be," Mary asked the angel, "since I am a virgin?" The angel answered, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the Holy One to be born will be called the Son of God!"
Luke 2:5-14:Joseph went to Bethlehem to register with Mary, who was pledged to be married to him and was expecting a child. While they were there, the time came for the baby to be born, and she gave birth to her firstborn, a son. She wrapped Him in cloths and placed him in a manger, because there was no room for them at the inn. And there were shepherds living out in the fields nearby, keeping watch over their flocks at night. An angel of the Lord appeared to them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were terrified. But the angel said to them, "Do not be afraid. I bring you **GOOD NEWS OF GREAT JOY** that will be for **ALL PEOPLE**! **TODAY** in the town of David **A SAVIOR HAS BEEN BORN TO YOU**, He is Christ the Lord!! This will be a sign to you. You will find a baby wrapped in cloths and lying in a manger." Suddenly a great company of the heavenly host appeared with the angel, praising God and saying, "**GLORY TO GOD IN THE HIGHEST AND ON EARTH PEACE TO MEN ON WHOM HIS FAVOR RESTS**!"
And so it certainly is okay for God's saints to celebrate the birth of their Savior. But to call this day **CHRIST **MAS** is certainly wrong since the Roman Catholic mass or mess is certainly not of God. Celebrating the birth of Jesus on December 25th is also wrong since the pagan Feast of Yul is from midnight, December 24th to Midnight December 31st, where there is a drunken orgy and pagan feast in the week before the beginning of the pagan new year; and December 25th is the first day of this pagan orgy. The pagan Roman Catholic Church picked this day in an attempt to combine pagan Roman celebrations with Christian celebrations
The birth of Jesus was most likely on December 2nd but it is certainly okay to celebrate the birthday of our Savior on any and every day of the year.
Why do many Christian chronologists believe that Jesus was born on December 2nd??
We know that Jesus began His ministry after spending 40 days in the wilderness and in Luke 3:23 we read: Now Jesus Himself was as 30 years old when He began His ministry. According to OT law you had to be 30 years old to begin your ministry.
We also know that Jesus was crucified on April 3rd, AD 33 and rose from the dead on April 5th, AD 33. We also know that the anointing and baptism of the Anointed One took place 1260 days before Jesus put an end to all sacrifices in the middle of the last 7 as per Daniel 9:27a.
1260 days before April 5th, AD 33 was on October 23rd, AD 29, and 40 days after October 23rd, AD 29 would have been on **DECEMBER 2ND** AD 29 when Jesus began His ministry on His 30th birthday.
well that is unless you are messianic which would mean Succot or feast of tabernacles is when jesus was born, I was a member of a messianic congregation, without doing the math and scripture a quick look at
that will answer pretty much any question on his birth or timing thereof including the information surrounding the birth, ie the shepherds in the fields, too cold in December for that....and finally Succot is the feast of Tabernacles or God dwelling with man, why argue a point when you can point to God ?
One final point..... Hannuka, whichever way you want to spell it was not a festival ordained by God, but it did get his approval, "didn't you know I would be in my Fathers House ?" he said to Joseph and Mary, Light of the world ? Hannuka, the festival of lights these events happened at Hannuka, the only festival that God didn't ordain but got his seal approval, one that was sealed in blood ! although I am not in a Messianic congregation anymore there are a lot of messianic teachings that are sadly lacking in the rest of christendom, we are certainly poorer for it, besides Christmas is only 1 day, Hannuka is 8 !!!!!
One final point..... Hannuka, whichever way you want to spell it was not a festival ordained by God, but it did get his approval, "didn't you know I would be in my Fathers House ?" he said to Joseph and Mary, Light of the world ? Hannuka, the festival of lights these events happened at Hannuka, the only festival that God didn't ordain but got his seal approval, one that was sealed in blood ! although I am not in a Messianic congregation anymore there are a lot of messianic teachings that are sadly lacking in the rest of christendom, we are certainly poorer for it, besides Christmas is only 1 day, Hannuka is 8 !!!!!
**SHOULD CHRISTIANS CELEBRATE THE BIRTHDAY OF JESUS ON DECEMBER 25TH AND SHOULD THIS DAY BE CALLED CHRISTMAS**??
Luke 1:30-35: The angel said to her, "Do not be afraid, Mary, you have found favor with God. You will be with child and give birth to a Son, and you are to give Him the name Jesus. He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David and He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, His kingdom will never end." "How will this be," Mary asked the angel, "since I am a virgin?" The angel answered, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the Holy One to be born will be called the Son of God!"
Luke 2:5-14:Joseph went to Bethlehem to register with Mary, who was pledged to be married to him and was expecting a child. While they were there, the time came for the baby to be born, and she gave birth to her firstborn, a son. She wrapped Him in cloths and placed him in a manger, because there was no room for them at the inn. And there were shepherds living out in the fields nearby, keeping watch over their flocks at night. An angel of the Lord appeared to them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were terrified. But the angel said to them, "Do not be afraid. I bring you **GOOD NEWS OF GREAT JOY** that will be for **ALL PEOPLE**! **TODAY** in the town of David **A SAVIOR HAS BEEN BORN TO YOU**, He is Christ the Lord!! This will be a sign to you. You will find a baby wrapped in cloths and lying in a manger." Suddenly a great company of the heavenly host appeared with the angel, praising God and saying, "**GLORY TO GOD IN THE HIGHEST AND ON EARTH PEACE TO MEN ON WHOM HIS FAVOR RESTS**!"
And so it certainly is okay for God's saints to celebrate the birth of their Savior. But to call this day **CHRIST **MAS** is certainly wrong since the Roman Catholic mass or mess is certainly not of God. Celebrating the birth of Jesus on December 25th is also wrong since the pagan Feast of Yule is from midnight, December 24th to Midnight December 31st, where there is a drunken orgy and pagan feast in the week before the beginning of the pagan new year; and December 25th is the first day of this pagan orgy. The pagan Roman Catholic Church picked this day in an attempt to combine pagan Roman celebrations with Christian celebrations.
NOTE: If you rearrange the letters in S-A-T-A-N it spells S-A-N-T-A!!
The birth of Jesus was most likely on December 2nd but it is certainly okay to celebrate the birthday of our Savior on any and every day of the year.
Why do many Christian chronologists believe that Jesus was born on December 2nd??
We know that Jesus began His ministry after spending 40 days in the wilderness and in Luke 3:23 we read: Now Jesus Himself was as 30 years old when He began His ministry. According to OT law you had to wait to your 30th birthday to begin your ministry.{See I Chron 23:3,4}
We also know that Jesus was crucified on April 3rd, AD 33 and rose from the dead on April 5th, AD 33. We also know that the anointing and baptism of the Anointed One took place 1260 days before Jesus put an end to all sacrifices in the middle of the last 7 as per Daniel 9:27a.
1260 days before April 5th, AD 33 was on October 23rd, AD 29, and 40 days after October 23rd, AD 29 would have been on **DECEMBER 2ND** AD 29 when Jesus began His ministry on His 30th earthly birthday after spending 40 days in the wilderness.
Bethlehem is 7 miles south of Jerusalem and its average high temperature on December 2nd is about 65 degrees. Bethlehem has about the same temperatures as Savannah in south Georgia.
Hannuka is a Jewish holiday and has nothing to do with the birth of Jesus. On Hannuka the Jews celebrate for 8 days the Maccabean Jews regaining control of Jerusalem and rededicating the Temple about 165 BC.
Luke 2:10,11: The angel said, "I bring you good news of **GREAT JOY** that will be for **ALL PEOPLE**. **TODAY** in the town of David **A SAVIOR HAS BEEN BORN TO YOU; HE IS CHRIST THE LORD**!!"
did Jesus Celebrate Christmas NO, did he celebrate Hannuka, Yes, can you get a rough date for his birth from John, yes, does God make plain his plans, yes ! Succot, if I rearrange the word sheet I get "these", I could go on I could get angry and insist that my hair does not need hair dye but I won't, to be honest P7744 you sound a little too insistent on everybody agreeing with you, let God's word speak for itself, if you want to debate I suggest you accept that a lot of people will not agree with you especially those that believe that the ways of our forefathers are more applicable than the merits of todays fancies or theories.
All you have done with your last post is repeat your previous post, the Word says if you want friends show yourself to be friendly, this is very true, what does the Word say about winning people over ? hmmm good and kind words and a wholesome attitude, I have a whole book to bring perhaps proverbs, keep the discourse friendly and peaceful for everbodies sake, you might prove a point and you might learn a thing or two and if you really look closely at what I have just written you will recognise several scriptures at play, if you don't then you have already proven a few to be true.
Colossians 2:13-17: When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ! He forgave us all our sins! having cancelled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us, and stood opposed to us, and He took it away, nailing it to the cross. And having disarmed the powers and authorities, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross. Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a **RELIGIOUS FESTIVAL**, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath Day. These are a **SHADOW** of the things that were to come, the reality, however, is found **IN CHRIST**!!
what you say is correct ! however you judge yourself with those very words, as you have spoken against what many call a religious festival yet you deny them the right to hold it to be true ? but allow yourself to have the right to what you call to be true ?
I say this to point out an error in your judgements not an error in the word, I personally do not agree with Christmas, Easter or any other Christian festival that is man made, but I won't bash some one without a sound understanding over it, Jesus spoke in parables for this very reason.
I will call it as I see it, Legalism plain and simple, what you are displaying is legalism, I know it because I've been there, I've thrown the same stones used the same arguments and had the same rebukes, but now I recognise that the hand needs the foot and that handing out spiritual back handers does nothing but antagonise and divide.
If you want to war with words or split the hair of scripture am happy am willing am able to surprise, but there is just one problem.... scripture advises against.
LOVE conquers a multitude of sins, a soft word turns away.......?????
I find your responses annoying because I too was like you in my judgements, now I am a little more graceful and merciful, I would urge you to be a little more loving, I have known a few with great biblical knowledge that surpasses most, but have become nothing more than crashing Cymbals, love is Chief and love is the most costly, it's a little like wisdom you sell it all to get that one pearl, and that one pearl unlocks it all.
THE FATHER LOVES HIS FAITHFUL SAINTS JUST AS MUCH AS HE LOVES JESUS!!
John 17:23: Jesus says to His Father, "You sent Me and have **LOVED THEM** even as you **LOVED** Me!!"
JESUS LOVES HIS FAITHFUL SAINTS JUST AS MUCH AS THE FATHER LOVES HIM!!
John 15:9,10: "Jesus says, "As the Father **LOVED** Me, so I have **LOVED** you!! Now remain in My **LOVE**. **IF** you obey My commands, you will remain in My **LOVE**, just as I have obeyed my Father's commands and remain in His **LOVE**!"
John 14:21,23: Jesus says, "Whoever has My commands and obeys them, he is the one who **LOVES** Me! He who **LOVES** Me will be **LOVED** by My Father, and I will **LOVE** him....If anyone **LOVES** Me, he will obey My teaching. My Father will **LOVE** him, and we will come to him and make Our home with him!!"
WHAT'S **LOVE** GOT TO DO WITH IT??
I Peter 1:22: "Now that you have purified yourselves by obeying the truth so that you have sincere **LOVE** for your brothers, **LOVE** one another deeply, from the heart. For you have been born again... through the living and enduring Word of God!
I Corinthians 13:2,4-8: If I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not **LOVE** I am nothing...**LOVE** is patient, **LOVE** is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. **LOVE** does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. **LOVE** never fails!!"
Ephesians 4:15: "Speaking the Truth in **LOVE**, we will in all things grow up into Him who is the Head, that is, Christ! From Him the whole body, joined and held together by every supporting ligament, grows and builds itself up in **LOVE**, as each part does its work."
Ephesians 3:17-19: "I pray that you, being rooted and established in **LOVE** may have power, together with all the saints, to grasp how wide and long and high and deep is the **LOVE** of Christ, and to know this **LOVE** that surpasses knowledge--that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God!!"
Titus 3:3,4: At one time we too were foolish, disobedient, deceived and enslaved by all kinds of passions and pleasures. We lived in malice and envy, being hated and hating one another. But when the kindness and **LOVE** of God our Savior appeared , he saved us, **NOT BECAUSE OF RIGHTEOUS THINGS WE HAD DONE**, but because of **HIS MERCY**!!
Ephesians 1:5-8: In **LOVE** He predestined us to be adopted as His sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with His pleasure and will--to the praise of His **GLORIOUS GRACE**, which He has freely given us in the One He loves. In Him we have **REDEMPTION THROUGH HIS BLOOD**, the **FORGIVENESS OF SINS**, in accordance with the riches of God's grace that He lavished on us with all wisdom and understanding!
Ephesians 2:4-10: Because of His great **LOVE** for us, God,, who is rich in mercy, made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions--it is **BY GRACE** you have been saved! And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with Him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, in order that in the coming ages He might show the incomparable riches of His grace, expressed in His kindness to us in Christ Jesus. For it is **BY GRACE** you have been saved, through faith-- and this **NOT FROM YOURSELVES**, it is the **GIFT** of God--**NOT BY WORKS**, so that no one can boast. For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do!!
If we really **LOVE** our brothers and sister in Christ we will lovingly teach them to obey all the approximately 400 commands {Which would include Baptism} of the NT with **LOVE** in the hope of countless eternal rewards when Jesus comes with great power with all His angels.
Matthew 16:27: Jesus says, For the Son of Man is going to come in His **FATHER'S GLORY WITH HIS ANGELS**, and **THEN** He will reward each person according to what he has done."
John 6:37,39,44,65: Jesus says, "**ALL** that the Father gives Me **WILL** come to Me, and whoever comes to Me I will **NEVER** drive away... And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall **LOSE NONE** of all that He has given Me, but raise them up at the Last Day.... No one can come to Me **UNLESS** the Father who sent Me **DRAWS HIM**, and I will raise him up at the Last Day!!... No one can come to Me **UNLESS** the Father has **ENABLED THEM**!!"
Romans 8:29-33,35,38,39: For those God foreknew He also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of His Son...And those He **PREDESTINED**, He also called; those He **CALLED**, He also justified; those He **JUSTIFIED** He also **GLORIFIED**. What shall we say in response to this? If God is for us, who can be against us? He who did not spare His Son but gave Him up for us all--how will He not also give us all things? Who will bring any charge against those **WHOM GOD HAS CHOSEN**? It is God who justifies. Who is he who condemns... Who shall separate us from the **LOVE** of Christ?... For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels or demons, neither the present or the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the **LOVE** of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord!!
, just as I have obeyed my Father's commands and remain in His **LOVE**