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dljrn04 View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 23 Jul, 2012 04:33 PM Free-will doctrine�what does it do? It magnifies man into God; it declares God's purposes a nullity, since they cannot be carried out unless men are willing. It makes God's will a waiting servant to the will of man, and the whole covenant of grace dependent upon human action. Denying election on the ground of injustice, it holds God to be a debtor to sinners, so that if he gives grace to one he is bound to do so to all. It teaches that the blood of Christ was shed equally for all men and since some are lost, this doctrine ascribes the difference to man's own will, thus making the atonement itself a powerless thing until the will of man gives it efficacy...http://www.spurgeon.org/sermons/0502.htm Post Reply
View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 25 Jul, 2012 07:52 PM Dear oh dear Holding, you twist what I posted again-v17 doesnt fall over at all because God doesnt send the Son INTO every person as you state I believe-what a ridiculous way to interpret that verse-but u have to twist it to fit yr Calvinism. TAKE THE CALVINISM SPECTACLES OFF! PLEASE! As I said earlier, this debate is pointless when you're up against cultlike tactics by Calvinists. Post Reply
teach_ib View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 25 Jul, 2012 07:54 PM So let's back up to the beginning of John 3...to get the right context... John 3:1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:� 2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him. � ******* So Nicodemus came to Jesus on his own because he wanted to know more...then Jesus took the time to explain to him what it took to be born again...physical birth is not our choice but spiritual birth requires an understanding of the need, the sacrifice, and how to accept the free gift of salvation. Post Reply
View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 25 Jul, 2012 08:45 PM @teach-i feel we're wasting our time-the Calvinists CAN'T understand it because they view everything through their Calvinist lens-it all becomes distorted. Heres how HOH wants us to read it- For God so loved the elect that He gave His only Son, that the elect who believe in Him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send His Son to the elect to condemn the elect but that the elect might be saved through Him. See the problem? For one the world doesnt mean the elect, and secondly the elect MIGHT be saved? 2 glaring errors. Heres how it should be read- For God so loved everyone that He gave His only Son, that everyone who believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send His Son into the world (to everyone) to condemn everyone (in the world) but in order that everyone MIGHT (not everyone will but MIGHT) be saved. Makes perfect sense-the use of the word "world" means exactly what it says, and the word "might" causes no problems either as it states accurately by implying some will believe, some won't. I dont see how it could be clearer-a plain reading of scripture that means exactly what it says. Post Reply
View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 25 Jul, 2012 08:46 PM Teach....Why do you guys ignore the explanations of those verses and then bring them up the very next time the topic comes up? They have been thoroughly refuted before. It get's very tiring repeating them each time when they have already been explained. Also it's silly to say that if it makes sense, everything outside of it is nonsense. That's not based on any biblical truth. That's just your opinion. Post Reply
View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 25 Jul, 2012 08:48 PM " God doesnt send the Son INTO every person as you state I believe-what a ridiculous way to interpret that verse" Exactly....You have proven my point....Which is exactly why we CANNOT take your definition and put it in place of "world" here. It's very simple. I'm not sure if this is really going over your head or if you are just disagreeing for the sake of being right. If that latter is the case, then you should check your heart. Post Reply
View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 25 Jul, 2012 08:51 PM "For God so loved the elect that He gave His only Son, that the elect who believe in Him should not perish but have eternal life." And now you are lying. I've already told you I never replaced it with elect. You will say whatever you feel at the time to make a point. Your heart is clearly in the wrong place. "For God did not send His Son into the world (to everyone)" One problem....it says INTO, not to.....you have to change the structure of the sentence for it to mean what you said. You don't have a problem with that as long as it gives you the desired outcome. Post Reply
teach_ib View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 25 Jul, 2012 09:02 PM I don't expect a reasonable explanation from them as they have not yet tried to provide an explanation even though several people have explained how and why they understand 'world' to mean the human race. Jesus did enter the human race, the world, when He was born a baby...and lived in the human race until He was crucified. John 1:10�He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. Post Reply
View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 25 Jul, 2012 09:04 PM " Makes perfect sense-the use of the word "world" means exactly what it says, and the word "might" causes no problems either as it states accurately by implying some will believe, some won't." It "might" help you to know how John uses the word "might" in other places. After all, he is the author here....Do yourself a favor and look up these verses and tell me then if "might" means what you think it means. John 11:4, John 17:12, John 19:24 Post Reply
View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 25 Jul, 2012 09:08 PM " Jesus did enter the human race, the world, when He was born a baby...and lived in the human race until He was crucified." Oh but now you are changing the definition. So sometimes it means every single person and sometimes it means the human race as a whole? " John 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. " So He was in the human race or He was in every single person? You and Reigns should get together and come up with a consensus on your definition. Oh and you may not expect and answer, but there is a long history on this forum of the verses being explained. It has gotten old for people to bring up the same ones over and over. I give an explanation that goes unrefuted and then the same verse will be brought up next time wanting an explanation again. I don't play that game anymore. Post Reply
teach_ib View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 25 Jul, 2012 09:09 PM Since I have not read every single thread and post on this website, I do not know where you provided an explanation of the word WORLD as used in John 3:16. Nor have I seen any of the verses I've posted refuted on this thread or any other thread that I have reviewed. If we are in such error in our understanding of this passage, I would think you would be compelled by God to help us understand again, and again. That is why I have NO problem providing references and basic explanations of verses. While I may read others thoughts/teachings and have sat under some teachers with extensive credentials, I choose to seek out the verses and passages and present them as appropriate. Post Reply

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