Author	Thread: Free-will doctrine
dljrn04 View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 23 Jul, 2012 04:33 PM Free-will doctrine�what does it do? It magnifies man into God; it declares God's purposes a nullity, since they cannot be carried out unless men are willing. It makes God's will a waiting servant to the will of man, and the whole covenant of grace dependent upon human action. Denying election on the ground of injustice, it holds God to be a debtor to sinners, so that if he gives grace to one he is bound to do so to all. It teaches that the blood of Christ was shed equally for all men and since some are lost, this doctrine ascribes the difference to man's own will, thus making the atonement itself a powerless thing until the will of man gives it efficacy...http://www.spurgeon.org/sermons/0502.htm Post Reply
View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 25 Jul, 2012 09:11 PM So far I have multiple definitions from you two about what world means. Can I get a consensus first? Post Reply
teach_ib View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 25 Jul, 2012 09:20 PM I won't play guessing games with you. Either you have a definition or you don't. Is your interpretation/definition so difficult to share? I will continue to proclaim the Word of God as often as necessary. What about Joshua? What about Moses and the fiery serpent? I don't mind being persecuted by those on this site for being an ambassador for Christ, because I believe that it is every Christians responsibility to spread the Gospel, to seek out the lost and share God's plan of salvation with them, for them to have the opportunity to ask God to forgive them of their sins and thus accept His FREE gift of salvation. And if they CHOOSE not to accept that gift, it's not because God didn't want them to have it or make it available to them...it's because they CHOSE to reject God. Post Reply
View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 25 Jul, 2012 09:22 PM Is there a reason why you posted John 1:10 and didn't continue on till John 1:13? Post Reply
View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 25 Jul, 2012 09:34 PM Settle it once and for all then Holder since you seem to be claiming everyone is wrong but you-tell us what the verses mean! U have repeatedly dodged when asked by teach and by me. Why do u continue to evade answering? EITHER EXPLAIN OR REFRAIN FROM POSTING PLEASE. Post Reply
teach_ib View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 25 Jul, 2012 09:37 PM Yep, because I was pointing out WORLD...that is the word for which I am waiting on a definition from you. Then maybe we can move forward in discussion of the other words: all, whole, whosoever... Post Reply
View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 25 Jul, 2012 09:37 PM The humanist clown show continues Here is an example: "And if they CHOOSE not to accept that gift, it's not because God didn't want them to have it or make it available to them...it's because they CHOSE to reject God. " So, when God tells them their sentence is eternity in hell for not accepting his free gift, why don't they just tell Him, thanks but I am gonna just exercise my free will now and choose not to go there? Hey, in fact, you know what, I am gonna just use my free will and choose not to stand at your judgement seat at all. In fact, I am gonna use my free will and choose not to be dead anymore and go back and live my life again. and what about this: Hi, I am God, I want you to have _______ but I have no way of getting what I want. I am impotent. I will it but I can't make it happen. I will that you get saved but it doesn't matter since I can't accomplish my own will. Post Reply
View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 25 Jul, 2012 09:39 PM And here is DA Carson on "world".... "God's salvific stance toward his fallen world. God so loved the world that he gave his Son (John 3:16). I know that some try to take kosmos ("world") here to refer to the elect. But that really will not do. All the evidence of the usage of the word in John's Gospel is against the suggestion. True, world in John does not so much refer to bigness as to badness. In John's vocabulary, world is primarily the moral order in willful and culpable rebellion against God. In John 3:16 God's love in sending the Lord Jesus is to be admired not because it is extended to so big a thing as the world, but to so bad a thing; not to so many people, as to such wicked people. Nevertheless elsewhere John can speak of "the whole world" (1 John 2:2), thus bringing bigness and badness together. More importantly, in Johannine theology the disciples themselves once belonged to the world but were drawn out of it (e.g., John 15:19). On this axis, God's love for the world cannot be collapsed into his love for the elect." Post Reply
teach_ib View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 25 Jul, 2012 09:41 PM And just so you or others think that you have silenced me by your posts, I will be back tomorrow...I have to be up in 4 hours to go earn a living and take care of other responsibilities. Post Reply
View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 25 Jul, 2012 09:43 PM " since you seem to be claiming everyone is wrong but you-tell us what the verses mean! U have repeatedly dodged when asked by teach and by me." Well if by everyone, you mean those who don't believe in the doctrines of grace then yea. I was just wondering how you can change your definition anytime you feel like it so it fits in the verse... " Yep, because I was pointing out WORLD...that is the word for which I am waiting on a definition from you." So you didn't think it important to the discussion that v13 pointed out that man "coming to Christ" is not an act of man's will? Post Reply
View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 25 Jul, 2012 09:50 PM Teach...we do not judge on that. We have careers as well. Reigns may think you have been whipped into silence, but not us Post Reply

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