Author	Thread: Free-will doctrine
dljrn04 View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 23 Jul, 2012 04:33 PM Free-will doctrine�what does it do? It magnifies man into God; it declares God's purposes a nullity, since they cannot be carried out unless men are willing. It makes God's will a waiting servant to the will of man, and the whole covenant of grace dependent upon human action. Denying election on the ground of injustice, it holds God to be a debtor to sinners, so that if he gives grace to one he is bound to do so to all. It teaches that the blood of Christ was shed equally for all men and since some are lost, this doctrine ascribes the difference to man's own will, thus making the atonement itself a powerless thing until the will of man gives it efficacy...http://www.spurgeon.org/sermons/0502.htm Post Reply
View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 25 Jul, 2012 10:42 PM Great, so Carson believes what I believe. But no one yet knows what u believe Holder BECAUSE YOU REFUSE TO ANSWER! Please enlighten us...for the umpteenth time and stop EVADING. Im not HOLDINGOUTANYHOPE that we'll get a definitive answer this century.... Post Reply
View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 25 Jul, 2012 10:55 PM YeshuaReigns and Teach both claim to have read and understood Calvinist materials. Here is YeshuaReigns in his own words: "I've read the sources and investigated the history Holding-I have Institutes open before me as I write" And Teach in her own words: "I also have studied material from Calvinism and I read the posts on this site that are cut and pasted here. There are holes in the paragraphs that are posted...which can lead people who are searching for the truth away from the truth." "I have studied what you believe along with many other people's beliefs" Yet, both continue to use the same pedestrian humanist argumentation that has been refuted over and over for years. One has only to google their references with the word "calvinism" etc to find pages and pages already answered. In fact, since they are both so extensively studied, they probably already know the "Calvinist answer" before they ask the question. Yet, they feign a genuine interest in order to prosecute their own false theologies. All of which leads one to wonder what their true agenda really is. Does this remind you of any other folks from the Bible? It should, this was Satan's exact strategy when he tempted Jesus in Matt 4:6.- Mishandling the word of God for his own purpose. Or how about the pharisees? Didn't they misrepresent scripture in their questions to try and trip up Jesus? Some things never change. Post Reply
View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 25 Jul, 2012 11:12 PM Romans 1 16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. 18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; 19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: --- > 21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. ----> 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, --- > 23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. --- > 24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: --- > 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, --- > 30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, --- > 31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. Post Reply
View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 25 Jul, 2012 11:19 PM Pedestrian humanist argumentation? Thats been refuted over and over again? Which planet are you on Bob? Christians have debated this topic for years to be sure, but yr claim that myself, teach and others are humanists and our arguments refuted are merely wishful thinking on your part. And not only that, you stoop to lower depths equating us with Satan in our methodology. Get a grip, your fallacious drivel is odious and offensive, but typical of your ilk. The Calvinists sink lower and lower in the mire..... Post Reply
View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 25 Jul, 2012 11:27 PM John 8 43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. 44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. 46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me? 47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God Post Reply
View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 25 Jul, 2012 11:32 PM I was unsure whether or not you are an odious idiot Bob-with yr derogatory posts above, I am no longer unsure. You have removed all doubt. Post Reply
View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 25 Jul, 2012 11:35 PM 1 Cor 1 - 12. Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.. 13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul? As I have stated to you before, I am not a Calvinist. Post Reply
View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 25 Jul, 2012 11:35 PM " Great, so Carson believes what I believe." Wow...did you read it at all? You believe that world means "every single person". Here is the quote from Carson...." True, world in John does not so much refer to bigness as to badness. In John's vocabulary, world is primarily the moral order in willful and culpable rebellion against God. In John 3:16 God's love in sending the Lord Jesus is to be admired not because it is extended to so big a thing as the world, but to so bad a thing; not to so many people, as to such wicked people." IN other words, it refers to the quality of the world not the quantity. All throughout John's writings we see him us "world" and it rarely means "every single human". " But no one yet knows what u believe Holder BECAUSE YOU REFUSE TO ANSWER!" Well no I did just answer. However you have still not answered why world MUST be read in the way you read it. Your only explanation was that "experts" agree with you. " Please enlighten us...for the umpteenth time and stop EVADING." Ironic Post Reply
View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 26 Jul, 2012 12:22 AM I have Carsons PNTC Commentary on John in front of me as we speak-I have read what u posted and read/listened to Carson extensively-Carson and I agree. Why are you trying to make out we don't?? So as I said you've posted Carsons thoughts, are you saying thats what you believe then? Lets see if we can finally get a straight answer.... Post Reply
View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 26 Jul, 2012 12:26 AM 2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. Post Reply

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