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dljrn04 View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 23 Jul, 2012 04:33 PM Free-will doctrine�what does it do? It magnifies man into God; it declares God's purposes a nullity, since they cannot be carried out unless men are willing. It makes God's will a waiting servant to the will of man, and the whole covenant of grace dependent upon human action. Denying election on the ground of injustice, it holds God to be a debtor to sinners, so that if he gives grace to one he is bound to do so to all. It teaches that the blood of Christ was shed equally for all men and since some are lost, this doctrine ascribes the difference to man's own will, thus making the atonement itself a powerless thing until the will of man gives it efficacy...http://www.spurgeon.org/sermons/0502.htm Post Reply
View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 26 Jul, 2012 12:29 AM A quick note-u state Carson really means quality not quantity-u misinterpret Carson again because of yr Calvinist lens. Quality refers to all humankind because all have sinned! There is no one who is good! Further, in PNTC Carson states "but this truth (Gods love for the world)...is therefore made to stand out as ALL THE MORE WONDERFUL". Post Reply
View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 26 Jul, 2012 12:31 AM Keyword: us-word. He is longsuffering to his people - us - believers. His promises are to us. Why is he longsuffering to believers? Because it his will that no believer should perish. Amen? This is often called preservation of the saints. Post Reply
View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 26 Jul, 2012 12:55 AM I'm really not sure how you are claiming to be saying the same thing as Carson. I mean this really baffles me. You know the definition you agree with is NOT what Carson is saying. I'm thinking that you simply have no defense against it so you want to claim you believe as He does. Post Reply
View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 26 Jul, 2012 01:00 AM "u misinterpret Carson again because of yr Calvinist lens." Do you realize how silly you come off when saying things like this? Carson is reformed.... "Quality refers to all humankind because all have sinned!" This is how God love sinful humanity. He sent His son that everyone believing would have eternal life. That's John 3:16. It does not say God loves every single man so much that anyone and everyone can be saved. A specific people...those who believe. If you say God died to save everyone then He has failed. Your god may be a failure, but my God does not fail His purposes. Post Reply
View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 26 Jul, 2012 01:18 AM Good grief-Carson is a compatibilist-he affirms both Gods sovereignty AND mans free will. Pretty much like the Arminians really!! So Carson and I agree-yet still you find this hard to believe! Post Reply
View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 26 Jul, 2012 01:32 AM And i also note that great cigar smokin Calvinist Spurgeon affirmed the compatibilist position as well. Whereas u Holding and the thread starter come across as Hyper Calvinists-something Carson and Spurgeon would no doubt reject. Post Reply
View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 26 Jul, 2012 01:47 AM All of your studying and you don't know what a hyper-calvinist is yet? Do you just say what pops into your head? Carson quoted... "I argue, then, that both Arminians and Calvinists should rightly affirm that Christ died for all, in the sense that Christ�s death was sufficient for all and that Scripture portrays God as inviting, commanding, and desiring the salvation of all, out of love (in the third sense developed in the first chapter). Further, all Christians ought also to confess that, in a slightly different sense, Christ Jesus, in the intent of God, died effectively for the elect alone, in line with the way the Bible speaks of God�s special selecting love for the elect (in the fourth sense developed in the first chapter)." Are you still going to tell me you agree with Carson? Post Reply
View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 26 Jul, 2012 01:48 AM Furthermore, I used a quote by Carson to show what I believe world to mean in the context. I did not quote him to say that everything he has ever said is perfect. Surely you can separate the two Post Reply
dljrn04 View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 26 Jul, 2012 02:22 AM God is not a supporting actor in our life movie. We exist for his purposes, not the other way around. Nor do we �make Jesus our personal Lord and Savior.� He is the Lord and Savior of the world; otherwise we would have no hope of salvation. Humanist can not grasp this, because of their pride. They can not do anything except hang on every scripture that has world and all in them to twist and pervert God's holy infallible word. May God of all truth open your eyes to his truth. Post Reply
View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 26 Jul, 2012 03:10 AM Well Holder I'd have to read all of Carsons article to get an understanding of what he means exactly by the different "senses" he refers to. But from the brief part you've posted I dont have too much of a problem with what he says. Secondly-define exactly how you see yrself in regards to Calvinism-full 5 point? 4 point? I can only understand yr beliefs if u succinctly state them, something you so far have been unwilling to do. Ive tried to explain my position, its time for you to do the same. Post Reply

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