Author	Thread: Free-will doctrine
dljrn04 View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 23 Jul, 2012 04:33 PM Free-will doctrine�what does it do? It magnifies man into God; it declares God's purposes a nullity, since they cannot be carried out unless men are willing. It makes God's will a waiting servant to the will of man, and the whole covenant of grace dependent upon human action. Denying election on the ground of injustice, it holds God to be a debtor to sinners, so that if he gives grace to one he is bound to do so to all. It teaches that the blood of Christ was shed equally for all men and since some are lost, this doctrine ascribes the difference to man's own will, thus making the atonement itself a powerless thing until the will of man gives it efficacy...http://www.spurgeon.org/sermons/0502.htm Post Reply
teach_ib View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 26 Jul, 2012 11:57 PM HOH wrote:" Teaching...Since you couldn't understand Carson in full, try reading it this way...Jesus loved the fallen sinful world in this way, He sent...."" Me: you left the word World in your explanation...so you haven't defined the word, only added adjectives that aren't there in the text. I understand God's Words...if you, Bob, Carson, or whoever have to spend volumes to explain such a straightforward passage, it is only to try to confuse the true Words of Christ. Again, if the literal makes sense, any further interpretation is nonsense. Post Reply
View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 27 Jul, 2012 12:47 AM " Me: you left the word World in your explanation...so you haven't defined the word, only added adjectives that aren't there in the text." Remember scripture interprets scripture. On the surface, yes you can say that I have added to the text. However when you compare scripture by scripture, we see that we are not to be conformed to the world and that paints a picture of exactly what world is. Just because I left world in the sentence doesn't mean world hasn't been defined. " Again, if the literal makes sense, any further interpretation is nonsense." You said this early and it is nonsense. Just because something makes sense, doesn't make it true. Can you tell me where it says in scripture that if the literal interpretation makes sense, everything else is nonsense? No you cannot. Furthermore, we are arguing exactly what the literal meaning is here. You have yet to show why your meaning should be the literal one. It could literally mean that God showed his love to the sinful fallen world by sending His Son so that every believing one will have life. First you must establish was is literal...Defining the word as you see fit to define it does not mean you are reading the phrase literally. It just means you have defined a word. " I understand God's Words...if you, Bob, Carson, or whoever have to spend volumes to explain such a straightforward passage, it is only to try to confuse the true Words of Christ." I fail to see how "spending volumes explaining" is somehow worse than saying you are right because you are right. Post Reply
dljrn04 View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 27 Jul, 2012 07:07 AM The humanist of this site have been shown scripture and in their own humanity deny the scripture and God who spoke them. Their own righteousness will lead them down the road to destruction. Only God alone can open their wicked hearts to his truth. Post Reply
dljrn04 View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 27 Jul, 2012 08:55 AM Matthew 7:13-14 "Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. (14) "Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it. Post Reply
teach_ib View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 28 Jul, 2012 09:51 PM dljrn, do you know the definition of humanism/humanist? HOH: since the human race is wicked and evil, your definition of World is no different than mine. Yes, Jesus came into the world, the physical world, the human race, among the wicked (there are none righteous, no not one). The statement I made about turning God's Word into nonsense will not be specifically in the Bible, other than adding to or taking away from His Word. Post Reply
View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 28 Jul, 2012 10:45 PM No because your definition is the people themselves. You would say that Jesus came into every single person....you know....if we take the most basic reading as you like to do. Post Reply
View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 28 Jul, 2012 11:49 PM Religious humanism is an integration of humanist ethical philosophy with religious rituals and beliefs that center on human needs, interests, and abilities. wikipedia "Freedom of Belief - a cornerstone of Humanism" "While we be can coerced into behaving in certain ways, no one can force us to think certain thoughts." "This is why a cornerstone value of Humanism is freedom of belief. We consider it a basic human right. This is one of those enlightened self-interest sorts of things." other references taken from the words of a humanist Jennifer Hancock, She states on her website that she transforms peoples lives through humanism. Post Reply

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