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Admin	Again salvation by drawing? Posted : 6 Aug, 2011 08:14 AM Bible scholars how, and what is the primary way the father draws sinners to himself. Even his children for that matter!! Let us expose some branches of the tree of knowledge of Good and Evil and the serpent's lies today!! Post Reply
View Profile History	Again salvation by drawing? Posted : 6 Aug, 2011 04:58 PM The discussion was about the word of God not Calvin. Post Reply
dljrn04 View Profile History	Again salvation by drawing? Posted : 6 Aug, 2011 07:45 PM Praise God for his sovereign grace. Post Reply
View Profile History	Again salvation by drawing? Posted : 6 Aug, 2011 07:59 PM I realize PhillipJohn that you don't want Christians to read and study church history. When you are a follower of Charles Finney like you are, it is best that people don't know what the Body of Christ has believed for two thousand years. Fortunately, there are some Christians who know that Proverbs says that there is wisdom in many counselors, and that the Bible says that God has raised up teachers for our benefit. God shows mercy upon whom He decides to show mercy on. To GOD be the glory! Salvation by GRACE alone, through faith alone, and for God's Glory alone! In Christ, James Post Reply
View Profile History	Again salvation by drawing? Posted : 6 Aug, 2011 08:41 PM John 10 New International Version (NIV) The Good Shepherd and His Sheep 1 �Very truly I tell you Pharisees, anyone who does not enter the sheep pen by the gate, but climbs in by some other way, is a thief and a robber. 2 The one who enters by the gate is the shepherd of the sheep. 3 The gatekeeper opens the gate for him, and the sheep listen to his voice. He calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. 4 When he has brought out all his own, he goes on ahead of them, and his sheep follow him because they know his voice. 5 But they will never follow a stranger; in fact, they will run away from him because they do not recognize a stranger�s voice.� 6 Jesus used this figure of speech, but the Pharisees did not understand what he was telling them. 14 �I am the good shepherd; I know my sheep and my sheep know me� 15 just as the Father knows me and I know the Father�and I lay down my life for the sheep. 16 I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd. Jesus Speaks of His Sheep Recognizing His VOICE. RECOGNIZING His VOICE! His Sheep (we Christians) HEAR His VOICE (the Word of God � SCRIPTURE) and RECOGNIZE His VOICE and FOLLOW HIM. It was The Word that DREW Us to CHRIST! The Word that once we heard it�we RECOGNIZED it as Our Shepherd�s Voice. As to not having Free Will�how is it that we are Allowed to say �No� to God? To say No and to turn our back to God? Seems to me that is a Free Will Choice. Mary could have said No! to God instead of �I am the handmaiden�� James seems to think that by man having Free Will and making the choice to Follow Christ that somehow that Belittles God�s Graces? John 6: 67-69 (NIV) 67 �You do not want to leave too, do you?� Jesus asked the Twelve. 68 Simon Peter answered him, �Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. 69 We have come to believe and to know that you are the Holy One of God.� The Apostles CHOSE to stay with Jesus. Let me Repeat that THEY CHOSE to stay with Christ. It was a Decision made of their Own Free Will! It did not make The Apostle �Mighty Christians�! It did not Diminish in any way God�s Grace! I am not sure just what James is trying to say and I will listen to anything he has to say because I am Curious as to how this line of thought came about and why, but as I see it Without Free Will we are just �Puppets� being Controlled by God into Loving and Obeying Him. Having Free Will and being able to Choose is what makes it so Wonderful! To be WILLING to DIE for CHRIST�of my own Free Choice�without Coercion or Mind or Heart altering Influences�other than PURE LOVE for Christ. That (to me) is the Ultimate. Am I just not �getting it�? Is there something I am missing? Post Reply
View Profile History	Again salvation by drawing? Posted : 6 Aug, 2011 09:11 PM James your words are lame and dead and have no merit I have never a problem with church history, there is a difference of life and death between church history and reformation theology. Post Reply

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