1 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 2 �The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses� seat. 3 So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. 4 They tie up heavy, cumbersome loads and put them on other people�s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.
5 �Everything they do is done for people to see: They make their phylacteries[a] wide and the tassels on their garments long; 6 they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues; 7 they love to be greeted with respect in the marketplaces and to be called �Rabbi� by others.
8 �But you are not to be called �Rabbi,� for you have one Teacher, and you are all brothers. 9 And do not call anyone on earth �father,� for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. 10 Nor are you to be called instructors, for you have one Instructor, the Messiah.
It has been brought up in this Forum by Richard (prophetic) that Catholics are wrong in calling their Priests 'Father'
Here is one paragraph of Richard's Accusations:
(Richard's Words)
One of the main differences between the Roman Catholic church and evangelical churches is the Roman Catholic belief that the Roman Catholic Popes have the power
��to change the Biblical teachings of the NT New Covenant. For example: In Luke 2:2-4 Jesus commanded his followers to only pray to the Father in heaven and that only the Father in Heaven can forgive our sins and Jesus commands us to call no one Father except our Father in heaven��
Calling a human being a virgin and sinless when these are Satanic lies.
*** Are you saying the Lord Christ Jesus birth mother was not a Virgin or Sinless as the Prophets have Prophecied, Proclaimed, Foretold...Oh My...now that is De:devil:monic...Lord have Mercy...:prayingf:...xo
Yes Jude , Mary was a virgin when she had Jesus and then God's Word says:
Matthew 1:24,25: When Joseph woke up, he did what the angel of the Lord had commanded him and took Mary home as his wife. But he had no union with her **UNTIL** she gave birth to a son. And he gave him the name Jesus.
Mark 6:1,3:Jesus left and went to His hometown...and began to teach...They asked, "Isn't this the carpenter? Isn't this Mary's son and the brother of James, Joseph, Judas and Simon? Aren't His sisters here with us?"
Mark 3:31-34: Then Jesus' mother and BROTHERS arrived. Standing outside...A crowd was sitting around Him, and they told Him, "Your mother and BROTHERS are outside looking for you." "Who are My mother and my brothers?" Jesus asked. Then He looked at those seated in a circle around him and said, "Here are my mother and my brothers! Whoever does God's will is my brother and sister and mother!"
Matthew 6:6,9-11: Jesus says, �When you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your **Father**, who is unseen. Then your **Father**, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you ...This then is how you should pray: �Our Father in Heaven, hallowed be your name, your Kingdom come, your will be done on earth as it is in Heaven.....�
Is there even one instance where a believer prayed to someone other than the **Father** in the OT or the NT?? Answer; ZERO!
What church:devil: had its evil leade:devil: decree that it is OK to pray to and worship Mary, a human being, who was a sinless VIRGIN??
yOU HAVE NEED TO GO SIT SOMEWHERE AND SEEK THE hOLY sPIRITI TO OPEN YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF hIS DIVINE WORD.
Oh, I forgot, women are suppose ot tech or preach Gods word to men... well I sure wouldn't care to sit under your teachings... nor any man like unto you who doesn't have spiritual insight into God's word.
What could you possible teahc me or any woman God has called into ministry, with the foolishness you post. Yes, the passages of God's word are wonderful, but you don't have a clue as to what notone of them eman... so you jump from one thing to anther posting the same passages...:nahnah:
surely, God has said in His owrd than what you are posting regarding every topic on this forum... what's the problem you can post passages that fit into the topic?...:purpleangel:
Richard stated ~ Calling a human being a virgin and sinless when these are Satanic lies.
Jude replys ~ *** Are you saying the Lord Christ Jesus birth mother was not a Virgin or Sinless as the Prophets have Prophecied, Proclaimed, Foretold...Oh My...now that is De:devil:monic...Lord have Mercy...:prayingf:...xo
Richard replys ~ Yes Jude , Mary was a virgin when she had Jesus and then God's Word says:~ ~ ~
Jude replys ~ Soooo this is a Bash the Catholic Church Thread ???�Richard�you are truly on a roll to express your views & opinions about what the Catholic Church does that is wrong�If I may ask...Do you attend Any Church ??? Ima just courious�xo
I just teach God's Word and let God's Word speak for itself by bringing together all the related Scripture on each specific topic. Whereas you explain away God's Word with your lengthy explanations. If you were some one who follows God's Word you would believe and practice I Timothy 2:12 and I Corinthians 14:33,34 which condemns women teaching men in the church and not follow the evil Prosperity Gospel of Joel Osteen.
Prophetic stated to Ella ~ If you were some one who follows God's Word you would believe and practice I Timothy 2:12 and I Corinthians 14:33,34 which condemns women teaching men in the church and not follow the evil Prosperity Gospel of Joel Osteen.
*** There was this Gent here a while back by the name of Miracle777...He had this really Bad Habit of preaching the word while bashing Denoms, Churches, Women...etc...etc...etc...Well one day...He got reported by a few people...and then not long after that on another day...He was Banned from the site...I never did report him although I had good reason to...I just sat back and watched a man preaching to us to LOVE and Obey get his self Banned...guess CDFF got tired of all the complaints & hada do the do...
Anywho...as far as women teaching...there where and still are women that teach about Jesus and His ways...and since Richard doesnt even Attend a Church why on GOD's green earth is he telling Ella what to do in one ???...Geeezzzz...some people are so...never mind...GOD's blessin to all...xo
(I apologize for the length, but it was necessary)
Richard,
You have not commented on anything I have Posted other than to RePaste your original accusations!
You offer nothing New, but continue with your Only �tried and tried� arguments.
You write:
�There are many very evil Satanic sins that no church of Jesus Christ would ever even consider such as:�
�Worshiping a human being.�(your words)
(my reply) The Catholic Church Teaches that ONLY GOD (The Trinity) is to be Worshiped. Yes�there are some that take The Veneration and Adoration of Mary too far, but it is not Sanctioned by The Church.
�Praying to a human being.�(your words)
(my reply) Well�to begin with��Is not Jesus Christ a MAN?� �Is He not A Man even in Heaven?� But that is way too much for you to Handle.
Question? When a Christian dies and goes to Heaven�do they Leave The Body of CHRIST? Are they no longer in The Body of CHRIST? There is nothing wrong in asking a fellow member in The Body of CHRIST to �Pray for Me�.
Richard�you seem to be Fixated on Revelation. Isn�t there somewhere in Revelation about the Prayers of The Saints being Deposited somewhere?
We Believe that Our Prayers get to Heaven and if I want to ASK the Woman that gave Birth to Jesus and Nourished Him. Who�s Own HEART Pumped HER BLOOD through His HEART for NINE MONTHS? A Woman who is LOVED DEARLY by Jesus. Who is still in The Body of CHRIST!
If I want to ask Her to PRAY FOR ME�I have that Right! Think how POWERFUL Her Prayers are! Do you think Jesus LISTENS to Her?
(your words) �Calling a human being a virgin and sinless when these are Satanic lies.�
(my reply) This does not deserve a rebuttal. Jesus will answer this one.
(your words) �Bowing down to and kissing the ring of a human being and calling him the Holy Father.�
(my reply) Yeah�well�Reverence � something you know Nothing about. It�s kinda like when you �kiss� that photo of your dog Poo Poo.
(your words) �Refusing to let your preachers be married like Peter and the Apostles.�
(my reply) Paul did not Marry (you didn�t mention that). The Eastern Orthodox Church does allow Priests to marry and in Rare Cases so does The Roman Catholic Church (again you nothing about nothing).
(your words) �Belief that a priest has the power to forgive sins by telling you to say a bunch of Hail Mary's.�
(my reply) That�s not the way it works. The Priest is not the one �forgiving��it is Christ that Forgives you your Sins; the Priest is simply The Instrument through which Christ Administers this Sacrament. Much as when that Doctor injected you with that Penicillin last summer for that �infection� you got from that Farm animal. It wasn�t the Doctor or the needle that cured you (they were merely the instruments), but rather the Penicillin.
John 20:21 is a verse that you will not hear at (Protestant) Sunday Service. It is a verse avoided by most Ministers.
John 20:21-23 (NIV)
21Again Jesus said, �Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you.� 22And with that he breathed on them and said, �Receive the Holy Spirit. 23If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.�
Jesus BREATHED on The Apostles! The only Other Time that GOD BREATHED on Man is in Genesis�when He Breathed on Adam and gave him Life. I would say that both were Significant Events!
��23If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.�
It would seem to be Very Clear that Christ (God HIMSELF) gave these Men (The Apostles) Authority to Forgive Sins In His NAME! Also in order to know which Sins could be Forgiven and which could not�they had to HEAR the Sins!
The Priests The Apostles Ordained -- had this Power and Authority PASSED On to them. Every Catholic Priest Today can Trace his Lineage back to The Apostles and CHRIST.
Yes�you can ask God to Forgive your Sins and The Catholic Church does not forbid that. Jesus Instituted The Sacrament of Confession because He knew that we are weak and that we would find it difficult to stop sinning.
When a Priest hears your Confession he also gives you Scripture to read and discusses how to avoid this sin in the future and other things that need to be discussed and what Penance to do. All good things.
When it is just you and God�well�it is Quick and Easy and PAINLESS and perhaps not as Effective for stopping Re-Occurrence.
�(your words) Belief that a priest has the divine power to change wine or grape juice into the blood of Jesus Christ.�
(my reply) Again, you are Confused or Misled. It is not the Priest that affects this Miracle, but Christ HIMSELF! The Priest has only The Authority.
There are many Mysteries in Christianity! Beginning with The Trinity. For Over 1500 years Christians had no Problem with any of this. I have no Problem with My Brothers and Sisters in Christ. No One Church has EXCLUSIVE ENTRANCE into HEAVEN!
Let me Repeat that� No One Church has EXCLUSIVE ENTRANCE into HEAVEN!
There are many Catholics that are going to be Very Surprised when they die. Just as some of you Non- Catholic. The Thief on the cross next to Christ did NOTHING to Merit Heaven�yet by just One Word from Jesus.
My Brothers and Sisters�the dark one is HOWLING with Glee and Laughter watching us Beat each other up! We are SHEEP! Sheep will follow any other Sheep � To Their DEATH!
Pick your Shepherd Carefully.
�Churches that practice the above are not Churches of Jesus Christ. They are churches of Satan.�
RICHARD SAID: ET, I just teach God's Word and let God's Word speak for itself by bringing together all the related Scripture on each specific topic. Whereas you explain away God's Word with your lengthy explanations. If you were some one who follows God's Word you would believe and practice I Timothy 2:12 and I Corinthians 14:33,34 which condemns women teaching men in the church and not follow the evil Prosperity Gospel of Joel Osteen.
ELLA SAYS: Richard what and whose word are you supposedly teaching? How is posting scriptures that don't even relat to a topic called teaching the word, and when anyone ask you a question about the scriptures that you have posted you can't even spiritually explain the meaning of the passages whether its a short or long explanation.So how do you think what you're doing is preaching or teahcing the Word of God?:nahnah::goofball: you make me laugh:ROFL::laugh::excited:
As pretaining to I Timothy and I Corinthians, I refuse to address this with you, I'll leave that to God to give you HIS answer, because you don't have a clue as to why Paul made such statement, nor do you have a clue as to what I do or who I teach, or who I follow or don't follow. And I will not go back and forth with you in something that I know for a fact you don't even spiritually understand or have spiritual knowledge in... and in accordance with what Paul says, "you desire to be a teacher of God's word, but you have no understanding neither of what you say nor of the things which you affirm."
I noitced you still have not answered my questions as to what church you are a regular member, and who is/are your teacher(s) /pastor that you follow???
BTW, tell me this WHAT IS THE PROSPERITY GOSPE? What is this good news about prosperity that Joel Osteen teaches and preaches?
The Church is not a �Static� Creation. She is a �Living � Creation�she Breathes In and Out. There were no Smart Phones�InterNet�Computers at the Time Paul said what he said about Women Teaching in Church.
1 Timothy 2: 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man;[b] she must be quiet.
Back then few Women were Educated or held any position of Authority. It was a �Personal� preference of Paul�s. I cannot find anywhere where God says this. God does not see Gender but on the contrary�
Galatians 3:28
New International Version (NIV)
28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
It is Ludicrous to think that Mary would have Intercourse with Joseph after having given birth to The Son of God!(not to mention losing that �Gift� of Virginity maintained by God).
She would first have to be Utterly Ungrateful for The Honor of being Chosen by God by doing so.
Secondly, it would be an insult to The Holy Spirit, whose "Shrine" was the Virginal Womb. It was there that The Holy Spirit formed the flesh of Christ. It would be Sacrilegious if it were Desecrated by intercourse with a man.
Lastly it would be of the Utmost Presumption by Joseph to place himself in the same �Station� as The Holy Spirit by daring to have intercourse with Mary.
This has all be debated and discussed by Better Men than us and the Conclusion they reached is that Mary REMAINED a Virgin. It was only until after The Rebellion that the subject was brought up again.
