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Mr Juistification:
Posted : 19 Aug, 2011 09:29 AM

When I speak of Who many refer to as God, I am speaking of the father of the lord Jesus Christ, know religion will sometimes say there is only one God, and that is contrary to what the word of God teaches: Ge 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.



The lie that there is only one God on the earth, started with the God of this world (Satan), and his motive is always to deceive, his words are always of fear, (wicked or twisted faith), for he does not want mankind to know the one God of the truth and his ways (righteousness).



The one true God (my father) this is so important to really grasp,because the God of this world, is also a father.



My father gave his creation his word which is always to be heard and believed by mankind, this is the perfect will of the father.



The God of this world, who is the father of Mr. Justification always endeavors to twist the words of my father, and his primary justification of his twisting is done thru this term interpretation, he so endeavors to justify his words of fear thru what he calls interpretation of God's word and if you put ten people together of different twistings of the word of God denominations or any manifestation of other god's upon the earth you will get ten different opinions, and the word of God will never agree with the opinion's of any man.



Defintion the lord gave me years ago of a god, somebody or something man is subject to, meaning influenced by, or subject to.

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Posted : 20 Aug, 2011 02:37 PM

No body said anything about Finney, Jesus is the answer and he is the author of the alter call no man, and satan is the author and opposition to everything the lord Jesus uses to bring mankind into the family of God.

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Mr Juistification:
Posted : 20 Aug, 2011 04:39 PM

the alter call is complete heresy and of the devil

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Posted : 20 Aug, 2011 05:48 PM

The practice of the altar call is relatively new in Christian

history. Though it existed in a limited scope within the

1700s, it was within the 19th century 2nd Great Awakening

that the activity began to flourish. Charles G. Finney, a

prominent evangelist of the American revivals, was a

leading proponent of altar calls. For Finney, the practice

served as one of a number of coercive techniques used

to influence the will of man to decisively respond to the

gospel.

To understand Finney�s use of the altar call, we must

consider his underlying theological convictions. According

to Finney�s anthropology, 1 man existed in a state of moral

neutrality even after Genesis 3. Therefore, man�s will is

not radically and naturally predisposed to sin, but rather

can be persuaded toward either righteousness or sin. While

he emphasized that all men did in fact sin, he maintained

that they were neither depraved by nature nor unable to

overcome this tendency upon their own volition.

In light of man�s neutrality, Finney viewed his job as a

preacher as employing various means to overcoming

obstacles and hindrances to belief. For Finney it was only a

matter of breaking through to the neutral nature of man in

order to bring one to salvation. With the proper techniques

and methods, the preacher could practically produce

revival according to Finney. The altar call served as one of

these coercive techniques.

Historic Christian orthodoxy has disagreed with Finney�s

anthropological convictions. Put simply, man is not

morally neutral. He is radically and terribly sinful, and

this depravity extends universally through his heart, mind,

and will. Our problem is not merely environmental, but

intrinsic.

To overcome this inherent wickedness, we need something

much more radical than influential techniques. Only

the Spirit working through the Word can effectually

break mans� natural resistance to God and His gospel. This gospel is not �reasonable,� but is rather perceived as

foolishness (1 Corinthians 1:18-31) by the unconverted

mind (1 Corinthians 2:14). Therefore no amount of passion,

proficiency, or preparation by the preacher can decisively

overcome mans� hardened heart. The duty of the preacher

is not to influence and coerce a neutral will, but rather to

clearly articulate the gospel message as a means through

which the Spirit will work to grant new life.

In addition to the altar call�s misleading theological

foundation, it is sometimes viewed as a means of assurance

of salvation and a public profession of faith. However, the

biblical ground for assurance is not that one has once stood

in church, but rather that one is currently loving, trusting,

and obeying Christ. Furthermore, the biblically-prescribed

public profession of faith is not walking down an aisle, but

being immersed in the baptismal waters.

Our hope each week is that the Holy Spirit would prompt

our people to respond to the preached word. For many

of us, our response will consist of singing, confessing,

repenting, standing, sitting, contemplating, or some

combination of the above. For some, the desire to respond

will lead to a longing to come forward and talk to one

of the men and women who are available for prayer and

counsel. Whether an unbeliever who wants to know more,

a new Christian facing some hardship, or a more mature

believer who simply needs prayer or counsel, we desire to

minister to all who are convicted by the Spirit�s ministry.



Geoff Ashley

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Mr Juistification:
Posted : 20 Aug, 2011 05:55 PM

This common evangelistic method, known as the altar call or the public invitation, has not always been around. Successful evangelists such as George Whitefield, Jonathan Edwards, and John Wesley never gave an altar call. In fact, they did not even know what it was. They invited their hearers passionately to come to Christ by faith and regularly counseled anxious sinners after their services. But they did not call sinners to make a public, physical response after evangelistic appeals. So where did the altar call come from? When did it begin?



At first, the altar call was used as an efficient way to gather spiritually interested people together for counseling after a sermon. Rather than searching out penitent seekers one by one, a preacher would call them up to the front, or into another room, for conversation and prayer. Some Anglo-American ministers used such altar calls at the end of the 1700s, but only during the camp meetings of the Second Great Awakening in America did they flourish.



Camp meetings were common in frontier states like Kentucky and Tennessee beginning around 1800. These multi-day gatherings were a way for ministers (mostly Methodists, Baptists, Presbyterians, and Disciples) to introduce the gospel to rural settlers. Early camp meetings were filled with passionate preaching and extreme responses. Hundreds of listeners would cry out, shriek, groan, faint, swoon, twitch, and weep. Ministers usually viewed these responses as evidence of the Holy Spirit's work.



By 1805, these spontaneous, bodily movements were less common. Ministers used an "invitation to the altar" as a visible way to measure people's response to their message. "Altars" were fenced areas near the main preaching spot of the camp where preachers urged sinners to seek salvation. Methodist preacher Peter Cartwright described a camp meeting in 1806: "The altar was crowded to overflowing with mourners." Another circuit-riding preacher recounted a time when "the enclosure was so much crowded that its inmates had not the liberty of lateral motion, but were literally hobbling en masse." Methodists experienced exponential growth during the first 20 years of the 1800s partly because of their evangelistic methods, including camp meetings and altar calls.



Many people consider Charles Grandison Finney (1792-1875) to be the "father" of the altar call. Ordained as a Presbyterian minister in 1823, Finney did not begin giving public invitations until long after Methodists had made the altar call a regular part of their camp meetings. Finney, however, did more than anyone to establish altar calls as an accepted and popular practice in American evangelicalism. Finney regularly called anxious sinners to the front of the congregation to sit on an "anxious bench." There, they would receive prayer and often be preached to directly. The altar call was also one of Finney's famous "new measures." He was convinced that ministers could produce revival by using the right methods, and that the altar call "was necessary to bring [sinners] out from among the mass of the ungodly to a public renunciation of their sinful ways." While many embraced Finney's "new measures," others were wary of the theology behind them. Finney believed that Christ's death had made salvation possible for all. Human depravity was "a voluntary attitude of the mind," not a nature one was born with. Conversion, therefore, depended on the human will being persuaded to repent and trust Christ. According to Finney, the altar call was a very persuasive tool to move the human will. Calvinist ministers such as Asahel Nettleton rejected Finney's confidence in human ability and his reliance on the altar call. They believed human beings were born with a sinful nature. Sinners were unable to trust in Christ until God changed their hearts. Historian Iain Murray describes many opponents of the altar call who "alleged that the call for a public 'response' confused an external act with an inward spiritual change." Moreover, Murray says, the altar call effectively "institute[d] a condition of salvation which Christ never appointed." Critics argued that altar-call evangelism resulted in false assurance, as a high percentage of those who went forward to "receive Christ" soon fell away.



Despite criticism, the altar call continues. It has become a permanent fixture in American evangelicalism. One need only watch a few minutes of a Billy Graham crusade on TV to recognize that what was once a "new measure" has become mainstream. Graham's distinctive voice calls out, "Up there�down there�I want you to come. If you are with friends and relatives, they will wait for you. The buses will wait for you. Christ went all the way to the Cross because He loved you. Certainly you can come these few steps and give your life to Him." While the venue has changed from the backwoods of Kentucky to modern football stadiums, and the mode of transportation has evolved from covered wagons to charter buses, the altar call has endured. It is featured even today in the stories of countless Christians who met Christ when they stood up, stepped out, and walked the aisle.



Douglas A. Sweeney is professor of church history and the history of Christian thought at Trinity Evangelical Divinity School. Mark C. Rogers is a Ph.D. student inhistorical theology at Trinity Evangelical Divinity School.

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Posted : 20 Aug, 2011 08:39 PM

When you try to know and understand spiritual things with your mind, you will never get their you will at best be able to post long lengthy articles saying nothing.

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Mr Juistification:
Posted : 21 Aug, 2011 11:57 AM

thats because unbelievers can not hear, see or understand the things of God

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Mr Juistification:
Posted : 21 Aug, 2011 06:04 PM

No mam we do not follow Calvinism we are subject to the word of God, not the word of a man in disagreement with the word of God.

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