There are some who say Christians sin because we are human, and many will try to justify their sins as mistakes, or use excuses for sinning saying that God knows my/our hearts. Some even say once a person has repented when he/she became born again there is no need to repent anymore of your sins...
But God has already siad that our hearts are wicked and evil, and whatsoever defiles a person comes from the heart of the person, UNLESS the person is walking in the power of the Holy Spirit. Sin is sin to God, no matter who you are, or how long you have been a Christian. A true Chirtsian born again from above will not willfully commit sin, and then expect God to forgive him/her, or think there is no need for repentance.
Hear what God has to say about the person who sins BEFORE being born again, and the person who sins AFTER he/she has been born again.
Ezekiel Chapter 18: 4� Behold, all souls are Mine; The soul of the father As well as the soul of the son is Mine; The soul who sins shall die. But if a man is just And does what is lawful and right; If he has not eaten on the mountains, Nor lifted up his eyes to the idols of the house of Israel, Nor defiled his neighbor�s wife, Nor approached a woman during her impurity.
7 If he has not oppressed anyone, But has restored to the debtor his pledge; Has robbed no one by violence, But has given his bread to the hungry And covered the naked with clothing. If he has not exacted usury Nor taken any increase, But has withdrawn his hand from iniquity And executed true judgment between man and man; If he has walked in My statutes And kept My judgments faithfully... He is just; He shall surely live!� Says the Lord GOD.
Turn and Live
21 �But if a wicked man turns from all his sins which he has committed, keeps all My statutes, and does what is lawful and right, he shall surely live; he shall not die. None of the transgressions which he has committed shall be remembered against him; because of the righteousness which he has done, he shall live. Do I have any pleasure at all that the wicked should die?� says the Lord GOD, �and not that he should turn from his ways and live?
24 �But when a righteous man turns away from his righteousness and commits iniquity, and does according to all the abominations that the wicked man does, shall he live? All the righteousness which he has done shall not be remembered; because of the unfaithfulness of which he is guilty and the sin which he has committed, because of them he shall die.
25 �Yet you say, �The way of the Lord is not fair.� Hear now, O house of Israel, is it not My way which is fair, and your ways which are not fair? 26 When a righteous man turns away from his righteousness, commits iniquity, and dies in it, it is because of the iniquity which he has done that he dies. 27 Again, when a wicked man turns away from the wickedness which he committed, and does what is lawful and right, he preserves himself alive. 28 Because he considers and turns away from all the transgressions which he committed, he shall surely live; he shall not die. 29 Yet the house of Israel says, �The way of the Lord is not fair.� O house of Israel, is it not My ways which are fair, and your ways which are not fair?
30 �Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways,� says the Lord GOD. �Repent, and turn from all your transgressions, so that iniquity will not be your ruin. 31 Cast away from you all the transgressions which you have committed, and get yourselves a new heart and a new spirit. For why should you die, O house of Israel? 32 For I have no pleasure in the death of one who dies,� says the Lord GOD. �Therefore turn and live!�
There is a BIG DIFFERENCE between a person being truly CONVERTED, and a person who HAS A FORM OF GODLINESS and has NOT BENN TRULY CONVERTED...
Who told YOU that I believe that a person can or cannot lose his/her savlvation? I've never discussed this with you or anyone on this site... I believe what God says in HIs word, not what man THINKS God says or MEANS in His word. So where do you get YOUR information about what I do or do not believe?...
You are agreeing with Arch,who says a person can lose the FREE GIFT of SALVATION of GOD.
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Posted : 24 Aug, 2011 10:57 PM
Ella,
What is also of interest is verse 24 that speaks to the Fact that a Christian can Lose their Salvation.
��All the righteousness which he has done shall not be remembered; because of the unfaithfulness of which he is guilty and the sin which he has committed, because of them he shall die.�
We need to be constantly vigilant and always working towards staying Faithful to God�s Will.
Thanks for the Thread.
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Posted : 24 Aug, 2011 11:27 PM
Aman! Aman... thi also proves that the eprson was not truly saved as peopel professe and confesse, they have works of righteousness as Jesus speak about. And As based on Hebrews chapter 6:4-8.
Shalom
Oh and please do not go on ranting by asking me which church i belong to,and who is my pastor.
I,Mr Merciful:
I fellowship with those that are Biblical truth seekers.
Our Shepherd,is Yeshua.
Our teacher is the Holy Spirit.
My /Our Salvation.
Eph 2:8 For by grace you are saved, through faith, and this not of yourselves; it is the gift of God;
Eph 2:9 not of works, that not anyone should boast;
Eph 2:10 for we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God before prepared that we should walk in them.
My ETERNALLY SECURED salvation!
John 10:26 But you do not believe for you are not of My sheep, as I said to you.
John 10:27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.
John 10:28 And I give eternal life to them, and they shall not perish to the age, never! And not anyone shall pluck them out of My hand.
John 10:29 My Father who has given them to Me is greater than all, and no one is able to pluck out of My Father's hand.
Satan says "I am the master of my fate and the captain of my soul."
THE **CALLED** THE **CHOSEN** AND THE **FAITHFUL!!
Romans 8:28-39: "We know that all things God works for the good of those who love Him, who have been called :rolleyes:according to His purpose. For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of His Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. And those He predestined:rolleyes:, He also called; those He called He also justified; those He justified, He also glorified.
What, then, shall we say in response to this? If God is for us, who can be against us? He who did not spare His own Son, but gave Him up for us all--how will He not also , along with him, graciously give us all things?Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. Who is he who condemns? Christ Jesus, who died--more than that who was raised to life--is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword?...
No in all these things we are more then conquerors through Him who loved us. For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels or demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us form the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord."
John 6:39,44: Jesus says, "This is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall ****LOSE NONE**** of all that He has given Me, but raise them up on the Last Day...No one can come to Me **UNLESS* the Father who sent Me draws him, and I will raise him up at the Last Day!"
John 1:13,14: To all who received Him {Jesus}..He gave the right to became children of God--children born not of natural descent, nor of *HUMAN DECISION** or of a husband's will, but BORN OF GOD!":applause:
Ephesians 2:6-10: And God {The Father} raised us up with Him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, in order that in the coming ages He might show the incomparable riches of His grace, expressed in His kindness to us in Christ Jesus. For it is be *GRACE* {Unmerited favor} you have been saved, through faith--and this **NOT FROM YOURSELVES**, it is the {100%} *GIFT* of God--**NOT BY WORKS**, so that no one can boast. For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do!"
There will be two comings of Jesus on the same Last Day. The first will be **FOR** His saints and the second will be **WITH** His saints just after the Marriage Feast of the Lamb as per Revelation 19:8-20 and Revelation 17:14 "They will make war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will overcome them because He is Lord of lords and King of kings-- and **WITH HIM* will be His **CALLED **, **CHOSEN** and **FAITHFUL** followers!!"
God only *CALLS** and CHOOSES** those He knows will be **FAITHFUL**.
Matthew 13:18-23: Jesus says, "Listen to what the parable of the sower means: When anyone hears the message about the kingdom and does not understand it {Such as all Roman Catholics}, the evil one comes and snatches away what was sown in his heart. This is the seed sown along the path. The one who received the seed that fell on rocky places is the man who hears the Word and at once receives it with joy: But since he has no root, he lasts only a short time. When trouble or persecution {See Matt 24:9-13} comes because of the Word, he quickly falls away.
The one who received the seed that fell among the thorns is the man who hears the Word, but the worries of this life and the deceitfulness of wealth {The Prosperity Gospel} choke it making it unfruitful. But the one who received the seed that fell on good soil is the man who hears the Word and understands it. He produces a crop, yielding a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown!"
He is one of the **CALLED**, **CHOSEN** and **FAITHFUL**!! It is interesting that ONLY the **CALLED**, **CHOSEN** and **FAITHFUL** will be WITH Jesus on the Last Day as per Revelation 17:14!!
And after we are called and chosen we are born of God and receive His Spirit we become God's fellow workers and have the free will to seek countless eternal unseen heavenly rewards for faithful and loving service.
I John 2:3-5: �We know that we have come to know Him **IF** we obey His commands. The man who says, �I know Him,� but does not do what He commands is a liar, and the Truth is not him. But if anyone **OBEYS HIS WORD**, God's **LOVE** is truly made complete in Him!!�
So let us read God's Word daily {Acts 17:11} and then *DO WHAT IT SAYS*! {James 1:22,25}:angel:
Acts 17:11: �The Bereans were of noble character, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures *EVERY DAY*!�
James 1:22,25: �Do not merely listen to the Word. *DO WHAT IT SAYS*!... and he who continues to do this, not forgetting what he has heard, but *DOING IT*�will be blessed in what he does.
2 Peter 1:3-11: �His Divine power has given us everything we need for life and godliness through our knowledge of Him who called us by His own glory and goodness. Through these He has given us His very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature and escape the corruption in the world caused by evil desires. For this reason, make every effort to add to your faith {a 100% Free Gift}; goodness, and to goodness, knowledge; and to knowledge, self-control; and to self-control perseverance; and to perseverance, godliness; and to godliness, brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness, LOVE. For if you possess these qualities in INCREASING MEASURE, they will keep you from being ineffective and unproductive in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. But if anyone does not have them, he is nearsighted and blind, and has forgotten that he has been cleansed from his past sins. Therefore, my brothers, be all the more eager to make your calling and election sure. For if you do these things, you will never fall, and you:rolleyes: will receive a **RICH WELCOME** into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!!�
Matthew 16:27; Jesus says, �The Son of Man is going to come in **HIS FATHER'S GLORY WITH HIS ANGELS** {See Matt 24:30,31 & 2 Thess 1:6-10}, and *THEN* He will reward each person according to what he has done.� Revelation 22:12: Jesus says, �Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with Me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done!� {When Jesus comes in His Father's glory with His angels}
2 Corinthians 5:10: For we must all appear before the Judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive what is due him for the things done while in the body, {When Jesus comes in His Father's glory with His angels} whether good or bad.�
Salvation is a 100% Free Gift and REWARDS are 100 % earned.
Matthew 5:14,16: Jesus says, �You are the LIGHT of the world...Let your LIGHT:glow: shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and praise your Father in heaven.
I Corinthians 3:6-9: Paul says, �The Lord has assigned to each his task. I planted the seed. Apollos watered it, but God made it grow... The man who plants and the man who waters have one purpose, and each will be rewarded according to his own labor. For we are God's fellow workers!�
Daniel 12:3: �Those who impart wisdom will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and those who lead many to righteousness, like the stars for ever and ever!!�
So let our lights *SHINE*:glow: with the many gifts God has given us and we can have a REVIVAL with the hope of countless eternal rewards for faithful and loving service.
I Corinthians 1:7: For �You do not lack any spiritual gift as you eagerly wait for our Lord Jesus Christ to be *REVEALED*!�
I Peter 1:13: �Therefore, prepare your minds for *ACTION*, and set your hope *FULLY* on the grace to be given *YOU* when Jesus Christ is *REVEALED*.:applause::angel::peace:
George, if you had taken note of what I did agree with in what Arch said... this should have clarified my Aman and awoman agreemnet to his comment
Ella said to Arch comment: (typo corrections made) Amen! Amen... this also proves that the person was not truly saved as people profess and confess, they have works of righteousness as Jesus speak about. And As based on Hebrews chapter 6:4-8.
Georeg, go read Hebrews chpater 6: 4-8 then come back and let's discuss... and you tell me if what God says is speaking about a truly converted person or a person who had a FORM of godliness who fail back into his/her old ways, becasue he/she had not been truly converted...
Again I am just commenting on what you�ve Posted�such as
(your words) ��about a truly converted person or a person who had a FORM of godliness who fail back into his/her old ways, becasue he/she had not been truly converted...� (end)
My question to you is this:
�These Christians thought�Believed�that they were Saved! They led their lives Thinking that they were Saved and that they�COULD NEVER LOSE THEIR SALVATION!�
Now�all of a Sudden�Poof�they find out that they
��had not been truly converted...�
If what you say is True�then how can Any of Us be CERTAIN that we are Truly Saved? It would Seem to me that those Christians Thought with a CERTAINTY that they were Saved�yet they were not?
This does not sit well with the rest of Christianity�how many of us are Deceiving Ourselves?
Tell us then Ella�how can we be Certain�without any Doubts�that we are Truly Converted? Do you have a Test? What has God told you about this? We need to know�please help us! Tell us how we can be certain that we are Saved?
Arch, you can be assured, certain, without doubt and in peace about your salvation based on your faith and belief, and your obedience to what God says in His word in John chapter 3; Romans chapter 3; Romans chapter 6; Romans chapters7-8; Romans chapter 10; Galatians chapters 5-6; Ephesians chaptesr 1-2; and Hebrews chapter 6, just to name a few places wherein you or anyone else can go and read for yourself, and grow stronger in your assured salvation without doubts, about who you are in Christ and who Christ is in you...
Only God can give you this blessed Assurance of salvation deep down within your mind, heart, soul, and spirit, not I...
A turly converted person , is born again, washed and cleansed thorugh the power of the Holy Spiriti who is living on the inside of theperson, and follows the directions of His leadership, and makes it every effort in obedience to watch his/herself as not to do anything that is not pleasign to God. Walking in the Spirit of the Lord, as not to fulfill the lust of the flesh, is the proof if a person is truly converted, or is being converted as Paul write in Galatians and in Corinthian as well as Ezkiel has pointed out in this chapter... a turly converted.saved person WILL NOT WILLFYLY SIN AGAINST GOD, nor RETURN BACK TO THE SINFUL LIFE-STYLE they once lived before salvation... that how you know whether or you you are truly converted... you are either putting on the new man or still wearing the old sinful manand talking the talk of a new man born again in Christ. (having a form of godliness) Again as Jesus says, your speak words with your motuh but your hearts are FAR from me...
I would not discuss this with you,for you are an arguementive woman.
I would discuss this with James,Thunder(that is if he was not run off this site by the health and wealthers,or the ultra pentecostals and charismatics);Karl,Rapio,or other such men.
George said: ET, I know and understand Hebrews chapters 4-6. I would not discuss this with you,for you are an arguementive woman. I would discuss this with James,Thunder(that is if he was not run off this site by the health and wealthers,or the ultra pentecostals and charismatics);Karl,Rapio,or other such men.
Ella says: George, am I argumentive as you preceive, or am I pointing out your error that you refuse to receive... usually this is the case when a person calls another who points out the truth , that person is always call argunmentive.
Then if you understadn what the writer of Hebrews chpaters 4-6 is speaking about, you should have no problems in understanding whteher or not a person is saved always or can lose thier salvation, as well as undertsand what I posted in response to Arch... right?:zzzz::laugh:
