Author	Thread: God is sovereign
dljrn04 View Profile History	God is sovereign Posted : 9 Sep, 2011 01:24 PM This refers to the fact that all things are under His rule and control, and that nothing happens in this Universe without His direction or permission. He is a God Who works, not just some things, but all things after the counsel of His own will (see Eph. 1:11). God's purpose is all- inclusive and is never thwarted (see Isa. 46:11). Nothing Takes Him by Surprise "It is not merely that God has the power and right to govern all things but that He does so always and without exception." - John Piper God is sovereign over the entire universe: Ps 103:19; Rom 8:28; Eph 1:11 God is sovereign over all of nature: Ps 135:6-7; Mt 5:45; 6:25-30 God is sovereign over angels & Satan: Ps 103:20-21; Job 1:12 God is sovereign over nations: Ps 47:7-9; Dan 2:20-21; 4:34-35 God is sovereign over human beings: 1 Sam 2:6-7; Gal 1:15-16 God is sovereign over animals: Ps 104:21-30; 1 Ki 17:4-6 God is sovereign over "accidents": Pr 16:33; Jon 1:7; Mt 10:29 God is sovereign over free acts of men: Ex 3:21; 12:25-36; Ez 7:27 God is sovereign over sinful acts of men and Satan: 2 Sam 24:1; 1 Chr 21:1; Gen 45:5; 50:20 Post Reply
View Profile History	God is sovereign Posted : 10 Sep, 2011 09:15 AM PJ, I can't say I believe that Calvinist's "want you to give up Jesus for Satan", but I do believe their theology limits Christ and His sacrifice which doesn't allow that Jesus is available for everyone and anyone. That, to me, is a shame. Post Reply
View Profile History	God is sovereign Posted : 10 Sep, 2011 09:24 AM The simple deception is just that. How can one say I confess Christ, when we say anything that is according to the word of God, it is of faith. But anything that is faith they readily deny, the holy spirit would not let one to continue to so openly deny bible truth.s They have eliminated the Gospel by simply saying man can not believe, you do not need to go any further. When one says they are in christ and then continually deny's him, it is wrong to give them any credit for truth. Chris is the anointed one and his anointing and we are to live by the anointing and the anointing knoweth all things. Not one statement of Calvinism can pass the faith test. Post Reply
View Profile History	God is sovereign Posted : 10 Sep, 2011 10:46 AM "They have eliminated the Gospel by simply saying man can not believe, you do not need to go any further." True... Calvinism has God force feeding those He has selected to be His. Never mind that John says that those who RECEIVE Christ, those who believe on His name, become the sons of God. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name: -John 1:12 Receive is just that. To receive what is offered. Nowhere does this verse imply that it is forced. For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, WHO IS THE SAVIOUR OF ALL MEN, specially of those that believe. These things command and teach. -1 Timothy 4:10-11 Calvinists cannot teach 1 Timothy 4:10. They do not believe the living God is "the Saviour of ALL MEN". Post Reply
View Profile History	God is sovereign Posted : 10 Sep, 2011 11:02 AM Well that is the absolute truth. Post Reply
View Profile History	God is sovereign Posted : 10 Sep, 2011 08:59 PM James, You are Obstinate! For some reason you do not want to SEE Certain Things! (Your Words) 71 continues: You guys continue to ignore clear Scripture that not only says God is willing that none perish and desires that everyone would come to repentance, James replies: NONE of HIS CHOSEN PEOPLE, and he desires that ALL OF HIS CHOSEN PEOPLE come to repentance (End) 2 Peter 3:9 New International Version (NIV) 9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance. ��, not Wanting ANYONE to Perish�� Why are you Confused with That? God is Sovereign�God is Omni-Prescient. God KNOWS which people will Believe and Obey�BeforeHand! God has ForeKnowledge of which people will Believe and Obey�Before they are Born! Those are The Ones God Call elect�ordained�chosen�because they are The Ones God Chooses to Present His Word to. God�not wanting to Force anyone to Love Him�Allows us Free Will and God KNOWS which one of us�will Believe and Obey. It is those that God Predestines to be Saved. The way you look at it God Forces Salvation on those that He Arbitrally Chooses. This Causes So Many PROBLEMS and Absurdities that it is�well�Absurd! The Sad Part is that there are Millions of Good Christians that believe like you do. Post Reply
dljrn04 View Profile History	God is sovereign Posted : 11 Sep, 2011 02:31 AM No Arch the sad part is people are so prideful they can not give God all the glory and honor due his precious name. They think they have the right to call on him and save themselves. God chose the Israelite' s in the beginning of the bible and what makes him any less of a God to choose whom he will today. Get over yourself arch, repent of your pride and serve an Almighty Holy God of the bible. Post Reply
View Profile History	God is sovereign Posted : 11 Sep, 2011 06:22 AM Actually it is the voice of pride that says, one can not respond to the Gospel, and the truth that they have made a Gospel to suit themselves is quite an abomination. Post Reply
View Profile History	God is sovereign Posted : 11 Sep, 2011 11:13 AM I have a Better Chance of Being Understood if I were to Speak to my Bull Dog �Boo Boo�! I am Not �Limiting� God by Saying that God is Omni-Prescient and Knows Who Will or Will Not Believe and Obey. The People God �Chooses� are The Ones God Knows (PreKnowledge) Will Believe and Obey! It is as Simple as That! Why you REFUSE to Understand this�Eludes me. Your belief�with Predestination�Brings about Absurd Consequences such as � God being Forced (where is God�s Sovereignty there?) to (God has no Choice) Cram The Holy Spirit down a man�s throat and then Force that man to Believe and Obey! What is Even More ABSURD is that God has to (again where is God�s Sovereignty) Force�sorry�Cause another man to Sin�in order to be able to �Legally� Dam* him to hell! Post Reply
View Profile History	God is sovereign Posted : 11 Sep, 2011 12:33 PM That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: FOR THE SAME LORD OVER ALL IS RICH UNTO ALL THAT CALL UPON HIM. FOR WHOSOEVER SHALL CALL UPON THE NAME OF THE LORD SHALL BE SAVED. Romans 10:9-13 Paul preached this. This is God's Word. Can the Calvinist preach this? Can they, like Paul, preach that whosoever calls upon the name of the Lord will be saved? Can you preach this, dljrn04? Can you, James? No! You are all caught up in only those who God "created" for salvation will be saved. There are no "whosoever's" in Calvinism. Whosoever" is not a word in your dictionary, your theology, or your Bible. "ALL" doesn't mean all when the Lord says, "ALL". The Lord over all is not really rich unto "ALL" that call upon Him. And you have the audacity to tell someone to get over themselves and repent, when you, yourselves, can't even preach the entire Gospel of Jesus Christ. Unbelievable... Post Reply
dljrn04 View Profile History	God is sovereign Posted : 12 Sep, 2011 12:48 PM Let us be exhorted to exalt God alone, and ascribe to him all the glory of redemption. Let us endeavor to obtain, and increase in, a sensibleness of our great dependence on God, to have our eye to him alone, to mortify a self-dependent and self-righteous disposition. Man is naturally exceeding prone to exalt himself, and depend on his own power or goodness; as though from himself he must expect happiness. He is prone to have respect to enjoyments alien from God and his Spirit, as those in which happiness is to be found.--But this doctrine should teach us to exalt God alone: as by trust and reliance, so by praise. Let him that glorieth, glory in the Lord. Hath any man hope that he is converted, and sanctified, and that his mind is endowed with true excellency and spiritual beauty? That his sins are forgiven, and he received into God's favor, and exalted to the honor and blessedness of being his child, and an heir of eternal life? Let him give God all the glory; who alone makes him to differ from the worst of men in this world, or the most miserable of the damned in hell. Hath any man much comfort and strong hope of eternal life, let not his hope lift him up, but dispose him the more to abase himself, to reflect on his own exceeding unworthiness of such a favor, and to exalt God alone. Is any man eminent in holiness, and abundant in good works, let him take nothing of the glory of it to himself, but ascribe it to him whose "workmanship we are, created in Christ Jesus unto good works." Post Reply

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