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GIFTS of the Holy SPirit / Tongues!!!!
Posted : 11 Dec, 2011 09:29 AM
Whoa,whoa,WHOA,
Is it possible for those in this debate,to be able to get off of their own High Horse and look into the Word of YHWH,instead of each one just giving their 'OWN OPINION'.
Or for that matter,Copying and Pasting others words.
2Pe 1:19 and we have the more established prophetic Word, in which you do well to take heed, as to a lamp shining in a murky place, until day dawns and the Light-bearing One rises in your hearts;
2Pe 1:20 knowing this first, that every prophecy of Scripture did not come into being of its own interpretation;
2Pe 1:21 for prophecy was not at any time borne by the will of man, but being borne along by the Holy Spirit, holy men of God spoke.
Let us look into the Word of YHWH concerning this matter.
Then let us ask ourselves this question;
Who,or what am i believing?
Am i believing the 'ACTUAL' Word of YHWH,OR am i believing what someone else believes,and they have been spouting their own 'UNBELIEF'.
Context first:
The purpose for the Holy Spirit to be given unto men.
So that Yeshuas disciple would know that Yeshua has not abandoned them.
Joh 14:16 And I will petition the Father, and He will give you another Comforter, that He may remain with you to the age,
Joh 14:17 the Spirit of Truth, whom the world cannot receive because it does not see Him nor know Him. But you know Him, for He abides with you and shall be in you.
Joh 14:18 I will not leave you orphans; I am coming to you.
To 'EMPOWER' the disciples of Yeshua to being
'Witnesses' OF Yeshua,not witnesses FOR Yeshua.
Prophesied by Yeshua:
Joh 15:26 And when the Comforter comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of Truth who proceeds from the Father, that One will witness concerning Me.
Joh 15:27 And you also witness, because from the beginning you are with Me.
Act 1:8 but you will receive power, the Holy Spirit coming upon you, and you will be witnesses of Me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea, and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.
Fulfilled in the Holy Spirit:
Act 2:1 And in the fulfilling of the day of Pentecost, they were all with one mind in the same place.
Act 2:2 And suddenly a sound came out of the heaven, as being borne along by a violent wind! And it filled all the house where they were sitting.
Act 2:3 And tongues as of fire appeared to them, being distributed, and it sat on each one of them.
Act 2:4 And they were all filled of the Holy Spirit, and began to speak in other languages, as the Spirit gave ability to them to speak.
Act 2:5 And Jews were living in Jerusalem, devout men from every nation of those under the heaven.
Act 2:6 But this sound occurring, the multitude came together and were confounded, because they each heard them speaking in his own dialect.
Act 2:7 And all were amazed and marveled, saying to one another, Behold, are not all these, those speaking, Galileans?
Act 2:8 And how do we hear each in our own dialect in which we were born,
Act 2:9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and those living in Mesopotamia, both Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia,
Act 2:10 both Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt, and the regions of Libya over against Cyrene, and the temporarily residing Romans, both Jews and proselytes,
Act 2:11 Cretans and Arabians; in our own languages we hear them speaking the great deeds of God?
The above Scriptures show the purpose of the Holy Spirit is to be 'EMPOWERING ' the disciples of Yeshua unto being 'Witnesses' of Yeshua,not being witnesses FOR Yeshua.
For the Holy Spirit according to the Word of Yehsua,The Holy Spirit will 'NEVER' bring attention to Himself.
The Holy Spirit will 'ALWAYS' 'Glorify' Yeshua.
Joh 16:12 I have yet many things to tell you, but you are not able to bear now.
Joh 16:13 But when that One comes, the Spirit of Truth, He will guide you into all Truth, for He will not speak from Himself, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will announce the coming things to you.
Joh 16:14 That One will glorify Me, for He will receive from Mine and will announce to you.
Joh 16:15 All things which the Father has are Mine. For this reason I said that He receives from Mine, and will announce to you.
There are certain groups of people which place MORE emphasisi upon the Holy Spirit,then upon Yeshua.
Those that do,are doing this not as the Holy Spirit empowers them,
These are being led of their own emotions,and or desires.
As the above Scriptures speak.
Now let us look into the Word of YHWH to find the 'GIFTS' of the Holy Spirit.
The English word 'GIFT' as concerning that which is of the Holy Spirit of YHWH,this might not be such a good word to be using.
For there are a few words in the Greek language for the one English word 'GIFT'.
We will look at two of these words.
The first of these Greek words is 'dorea',this is found in John 4:10,the woman at the well.
English-Gift
Greek-dorea
d�rea: a gift
Original Word: δωρεά, ᾶς, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: d�rea
Phonetic Spelling: (do-reh-ah')
Short Definition: a free gift
Definition: a (free) gift, a gift (without repayment).
1431 dōre� (a feminine noun, derived from 1325 /d�dōmi) � a gift, freely given and hence not acquired by merit or "entitlement." 1431 /dōre� (a feminine noun) expresses a brand of giving that highlights the beneficent desire of the giver
Now let us look at the English word in 1st Corinthians 12
translated as 'GIFT'.
This might enlighten some as to what I have been empowered to be sharing here for some time about the Holy Spirit.
English-Gift
Greek-'CHARIS'
Oh no please do not show this to me ,please NO!!!!!!!!!
Which English word is 'TRANSLATED' from the Greek word CHARIS,is it not the word 'GRACE'..
charisma: a gift of grace, a free gift
Original Word: χάρισμα, ατος, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: charisma
Phonetic Spelling: (khar'-is-mah)
Short Definition: an undeserved favor
Definition: a gift of grace, an undeserved favor.
Cognate: 5486 x�risma (from "grace," 5485 /x�ris) � properly, the operation of grace (divine favor), i.e. a grace-endowment to edify the Church (note the -ma suffix, focusing on the end-result of the endowment of grace).
5486 /x�risma ("grace-gift") divinely empowers a believer to share God's work with others, i.e. Spirit-empowered service to the Church to carry out His plan for His people.
[5486 /x�risma (but not limited to) "spiritual gifts." xarismata (the plural form) literally means "grace-endowments."]
Now let us look into the Scriptures from 1st Corinthians 13 verses 8-10.
Then let us ask ourselves this question.
When did,or when does the 'CHARISMA / GRACE' of YHWH end..
1Co 13:8 Love never fails. But if there are prophecies, they will be caused to cease; if tongues, they shall cease; if knowledge, it will be caused to cease.
1Co 13:9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part;
1Co 13:10 but when the perfect thing comes, then that which is in part will be caused to cease.
Did the Charisma / GRACE of YHWH end,at the completion of the written Scriptures.
If this is so,then how is man still having his Knowledge increased when the Word of YHWH says that Knowledge will cease.
How about 'PROPHECY'.
Prophecy means to be 'SPEAKING' for the Word of YHWH.
When did this end.
Mat 28:19 Then having gone, disciple all nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
Mat 28:20 teaching them to observe all things, whatever I commanded you. And, behold, I am with you all the days until the completion of the age. Amen
The CHARISMA / GRACE of YHWH 'NEVER-NEVER-NEVER- has ended,nor will the CHARISMA / GRACE of YHWH ever end.
Even in Eternity,we are totally dependant upon the 'CHARISMA / GRACE' of YHWH for our very existence.
For to have the CHARISMA / GRACE of YHWH to end,there must be an END of YHWHs existence.
Yet YHWH says:
Rev 1:8 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the Ending, says the Lord, the One who is, and who was, and who is coming, the Almighty.
Col 1:15 (Yeshua)---- who is the image of the invisible God, the First-born of all creation.
Col 1:16 For all things were created in Him, the things in the heavens, and the things on the earth, the visible and the invisible; whether thrones, or lordships, or rulers, or authorities, all things have been created through Him and for Him.
Col 1:17 And He is before all things, and all things have subsisted in Him.
1Co 14:37 If anyone thinks to be a prophet, or a spiritual one, let him recognize the things I write to you, that they are a command of the Lord.
1Co 14:38 But if any be ignorant, let him be ignorant.
1Co 14:39 So then, brothers, seek eagerly to prophesy, and do not forbid to speak in languages.
1Co 14:40 And let all things come to be done decently and according to order.
I hope this might be clear to those that have been bickering over this subject.
Shalom
The Gardner
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