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Trusting The Holy Spirit of God Or Man's Systemtic Theology
Posted : 20 Dec, 2011 04:15 PM
So Do you Trust and believe what God says, or in man's systematic theoplogy to assist you in knowing and learning about God and His Word?
God's Word...
I John 2:26 I am writing these things to you about those who are trying to lead you astray. 27 As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit�just as it has taught you, remain in him.
John 16:12 �I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. 13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. 14 He will glorify me because it is from me that he will receive what he will make known to you. 15 All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will receive from me what he will make known to you.�
Systematic Theology
In the context of Christianity, systematic theology is a discipline of Christian theology that attempts to formulate an orderly, rational, and coherent account of the Christian faith and beliefs. It is also called Dogmatics.
Systematic theology draws on the foundational sacred texts of Christianity, while simultaneously investigating the development of Christian doctrine over the course of history, particularly through philosophy, science and ethics. Inherent to a system of theological thought is that a method is developed, one which can be applied both broadly and particularly.
History
The setting out of the varied ideas of Christianity (and the various topics and themes of the diverse texts of the Bible) in a single, coherent and well-ordered presentation is a relatively late development. In Eastern Orthodoxy, an early example is provided by John of Damascus's 8th-century Exposition of the Orthodox Faith, in which he attempts to set in order, and demonstrate the coherence of, the theology of the classic texts of the Eastern theological tradition.
In the West, Peter Lombard's 12th-century Sentences, in which he collected thematically a large series of quotations from the Church Fathers, became the basis of a medieval scholastic tradition of thematic commentary and explanation - best exemplified in Thomas Aquinas's Summa Theologica. The Lutheran scholastic tradition of a thematic, ordered exposition of Christian theology emerged in the 16th century, with Philipp Melanchthon's Loci Communes, and was countered by a Calvinist scholasticism, exemplified by John Calvin's Institutes of the Christian Religion.
In the 19th century, primarily in Protestant circles, a new kind of systematic theology arose: the attempt to demonstrate that Christian doctrine formed a more tightly coherent system grounded in some core axiom or axioms. Such theologies often involved a more drastic pruning and reinterpretation of traditional belief in order to cohere with the axiom or axioms. Friedrich Daniel Ernst Schleiermacher, for instance, produced Der christliche Glaube nach den Grunds�tzen der evangelischen Kirche (The Christian Faith According to the Principles of the Protestant Church) in the 1820s, in which the core idea is the universal presence amongst humanity (sometimes more hidden, sometimes more explicit) of a feeling or awareness of 'absolute dependence'; all theological themes are reinterpreted as descriptions or expressions of modifications of this feeling..
Trusting The Holy Spirit of God Or Man's Systemtic Theology
Posted : 21 Dec, 2011 08:16 AM
James, you're funnnee:ROFL:...with your smart face-self... you speak things outside of spiritual knowledge of the empowerment of the Holy Spirit, thinking you're being smart-face, but you know what, well, maybe you don't know ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE WITH GOD.
And another thing YOU DON'T KNOW in your effort of trying to be a smart-face, you almost had it right. So let me enlighten you, sweetheart...
You said 'RELIGOUS HUNCHES", but what you DON'T KNOW is that it is the Holy Spirit who does indeed gives us what iyt is we as true Christians need to know the truth of God's word...
Now, you can call it "a religou hunch, but God calls it and 'UNCTION" to know HIS WORD OF TRUTH.
i know you have never HEARD of such a word, nor do you know or understand what it means. So again, let me enlighten you.
I John 2: 20 But you have an "UNCTION" from the Holy One, and you know all things...
So what in the world is an UNCTION, you ask?...
UNCTION mean an ANOINTING, oil that soothes or comforts,, a qualitiy or manner of utterance, especially in dealing with religious themes or arouses deep spiritual feelings.
Therefore, in all your spirtual unlearned knowledge trying to be funny talking about religious hunches, you missed knowing that the Hoy Spirit anoints the believer to know the word fo truth.
FOR YOUR EDIFICATION: COMMENTARY BY BARNES
But ye have an unction from the Holy One - The apostle in this verse evidently intends to say that he had no apprehension in regard to those to whom he wrote that they would thus apostatize, and bring dishonor on their religion. They had been so anointed by the Holy Spirit that they understood the true nature of religion, and it might be confidently expected that they would persevere. The word "unction" or "anointing" (χρίσμα chrisma) means, properly, "something rubbed in or ointed;" oil for anointing, "ointment;" then it means an anointing.
The allusion is to the anointing of kings and priests, or their inauguration or coronation, (1 Samuel 10:1; 1 Samuel 16:13; Exodus 28:41; Exodus 40:15; compare the notes at Matthew 1:1); and the idea seems to have been that the oil thus used was emblematic of the gifts and graces of the Holy Spirit as qualifying them for the discharge of the duties of their office. Christians, in the New Testament, are described as "kings and priests," Revelation 1:6; Revelation 5:10, and as a "royal priesthood" 1 Peter 2:5, 1 Peter 2:9; and hence they are represented as "anointed," or as endowed with those graces of the Spirit, of which anointing was the emblem.
The phrase "the Holy One" refers here, doubtless, to the Holy Spirit, that Spirit whose influences are imparted to the people of God, to enlighten, to sanctify, and to comfort them in their trials. The particular reference here is to the influences of that Spirit as giving them clear and just views of the nature of religion, and thus securing them from error and apostasy.
And ye know all things - That is, all things which it is essential that you should know on the subject of religion. See the John 16:13 note; 1 Corinthians 2:15 note. The meaning cannot be that they knew all things pertaining to history, to science, to literature, and to the arts; but that, under the influences of the Holy Spirit, they had been made so thoroughly acquainted with the truths and duties of the Christian religion, that they might be regarded as safe from the danger or fatal error.
The same may be said of all true Christians now, that they are so taught by the Spirit of God, that they have a practical acquaintance with what religion is, and with what it requires, and are secure from falling into fatal error. In regard to the general meaning of this verse, then, it may he observed:
I. That it does not mean any one of the following things:
(1) That Christians are literally instructed by the Holy Spirit in all things, or that they literally understand all subjects. The teaching, whatever it may be, refers only to religion.
(2) it is not meant that any new faculties of mind are conferred on them, or any increased intellectual endowments, by their religion. It is not a fact that Christians, as such, are superior in mental endowments to others; nor that by their religion they have any mental traits which they had not before their conversion. Paul, Peter, and John had essentially the same mental characteristics after their conversion which they had before; and the same is true of all Christians.
(3) it is not meant that any new truth is revealed to the mind by the Holy Spirit. All the truth that is brought before the mind of the Christian is to be found in the Word of God, and "revelation," as such, was completed when the Bible was finished.
(4) it is not meant that anything is perceived by Christians which they had not the natural faculty for perceiving before their conversion, or which other people have not also the natural faculty for perceiving. The difficulty with people is not a defect of natural faculties, it is in the blindness of the heart.
II. The statement here made by John "does" imply, it is supposed, the following things:
(1) That the minds of Christians are so enlightened that they have a new perception of the truth. They see it in a light in which they did not before. They see it as truth. They see its beauty, its force, its adapted less to their condition and wants. They understand the subject of religion better than they once did, and better than others do. What was once dark appears now plain; what once had no beauty to their minds now appears beautiful; what was once repellant is now attractive.
(2) they see this to be true; that is, they see it in such a light that they cannot doubt that it is true. They have such views of the doctrines of religion, that they have no doubt that they are true, and are willing on the belief of their truth to lay down their lives, and stake their eternal interests.
(3) their knowledge of truth is enlarged. They become acquainted with more truths than they would have known if they had not been under the teaching of the Holy Spirit. Their range of thought is greater; their vision more extended, as well as more clear.
III. The evidence that this is so is found in the following things:
(1) The express statements of Scripture. See 1 Corinthians 2:14-15, and the notes at that passage. Compare John 16:13-14.
(2) it is a matter of fact that it is so.
continued at www.studylight.org/com Barnes Note
John 16:12 �I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. 13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. 14 He will glorify me because it is from me that he will receive what he will make known to you. 15 All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will receive from me what he will make known to you.�
Trusting The Holy Spirit of God Or Man's Systemtic Theology
Posted : 21 Dec, 2011 08:37 AM
BTW, WELCOME TO THE FORUM, Manscottell... good spirual insight:applause::glow:
And God bless everyone who has posted with revelation from the Holy Spirit.:applause:
PJ, you have asked a very important to James... as the saying goes, if a person has to ASK what something means, this is an indiction they have never expereinced it and don't have a clue:yay: ... Same as they say, if you must ask how much a thing cost, then you can't afford it!:excited::peace:Christmas blessings everybody!!!! As we Celebrate Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior of the world!:party::glow::dancingp::dancingp::peace:
Trusting The Holy Spirit of God Or Man's Systemtic Theology
Posted : 21 Dec, 2011 11:07 AM
Here is a joke about opening the Word of YHWH and putting your finger on a Scripture and saying that is the will of YHWH.
I heard this while living in Philly,from one of the elders.
A man had been saved for a few years,
He had asked the pastor how he could know the will of YHWH for his life.
The pastors says to the man,just take your bible,hold it on its side.
With your eyes closed,ask your question,and let the word of GOD fall open.
Next place your right index finger on one of the open pages and then read the scripture under your finger.
The pastor says,this then is the will of GOD for you.
Two months later this man prays.
LORD i will do as the pastor says,and whatever scripture i read under my right index,that is what i will be doing as i believe that would be your will for me.
The man closes his eyes real tight,he holds his bible on its side.
He then prays,LORD whatever your word says,that is what i will be doing.
The man lets go of the bible and he puts his right index finger on a verse of scripture.
He open his eyes and reads JUDAS WENT OUT AND HUNG HIMSELF.
The man was shocked and shaking he says to himself,there must be something wrong,this cannot be the will of GOD for me.
I will try this again.
Again this man closes his eyes,
He holds the bible on its side,
He again prays.
LORD GOD,whatever scriptutre my right hands is upon when i open my eyes,this is what i will be doing and without haste.
For i believe this would e your will for me.
The man has his eyes closed,he lets go of the bible.
He places his right index finger upon the scriptures,and he opens his eyes.
As he reads the scripture,his mouth falls open,and he begins to tremble.
The verse he had first read was JUDAS WENT OUT AND HUNG HIMSELF.
Trusting The Holy Spirit of God Or Man's Systemtic Theology
Posted : 21 Dec, 2011 11:18 AM
The necessity for studying the Word of YHWH.
Dan 9:1 In the first year of Darius, the son of Ahasuerus, of the seed of the Medes, who was made king over the realm of the Chaldeans,
Dan 9:2 in the first year of his reign, I, Daniel, understood the number of the years by books, which had been a Word of Jehovah to Jeremiah the prophet, that He would accomplish seventy years in the desolations of Jerusalem.
Mat 2:1 And when Jesus had been born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, behold, wise men arrived from the east to Jerusalem,
Mat 2:2 saying, Where is He born King of the Jews? For we saw His star in the east and have come to worship Him.
Mat 2:3 But Herod the king having heard this, he was troubled and all Jerusalem with him.
Mat 2:4 And having gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people, he asked of them where the Christ was to be born.
Mat 2:5 And they said to him, In Bethlehem of Judea, for so it has been written by the prophet,
Heb_10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
How is a person able to KNOW Yeshua,if not by reading and studying the Word of YHWH.
Worthship of Yeshau is IMPOSSIBLE without KNOWING Yeshua.
Trusting The Holy Spirit of God Or Man's Systemtic Theology
Posted : 21 Dec, 2011 01:04 PM
:ROFL::ROFL::ROFL::ROFL::purpleangel:...George the Farmer, I like your joke!:ROFL::ROFL:... that was funnnneee!... you are a hot mess!:ROFL::ROFL:
But seriously had the man DISCERNED in his spirit what the Word was speaking d what it meant, he would have known that Judas hang himself because of his PRDIE by refusing to REPENT OF HIS SIN AGAINST THE CHRIST FROM HIS HEART, AND ASK FOR FORGIVENESS, AS PETER DID and went out and wept BITTERLY for denying the Lord, and was forgiven!
Judas' heart was full of the sin of pride, so rather can repnet becasue he felt it would cause him to lose face, he took the easy way out, so he thought...
Trusting The Holy Spirit of God Or Man's Systemtic Theology
Posted : 21 Dec, 2011 06:58 PM
You are so right Elisha.
What I can not understand is these People confuse to know God has their savior but they make fun of the Holy Spirit, those that speak in Tongues and How the Holy Spirit leads them. The bible speaks of people talking against the Holy Spirit. If you are a True Child of God, why would you even do that? What scipture are they reading from?
Trusting The Holy Spirit of God Or Man's Systemtic Theology
Posted : 21 Dec, 2011 07:53 PM
Thats right angel, it is my opinionm that so many people who claim to believe and even think they do believe dont really believe , they claim Christr is Lord with their mouths but they turn around and chalk up divine healling to the placebo effect and demon possesion and exorsisms to mental illness and peole who just wnat attention! These same people will be the ones who buy satans lies as the end times continue to unfold, they wil be the ones hollering that aliens took the Christians away becasue we were ignorant and hindering the development and evoloution if the human race! Thjey explain everything away they say my prayer language is my emotions + me decieving myself and my own flesh!
They say they believe in an almighty God but they act like he has lost som,e power since he talked to moses through a burning bush that did not consume! Since he destroyed sodom and gomorah they act like god has changed his mind about the sodomites and that peopel are not healed by the laying on of hands!!
Hey I wonder if anyone can find a real documented case of Hepititis C disapearing due to the placebo affect or any other affect even modern medicine cant get rid of HEPC but God healed me from it so what about that? a
My point is if you REALLY beieve in an Almighty God who was creator of the universe the same one who has my hairs on my head numberd they same one who parted the red sea and then immediatly after the chidren crossed let it crash down on th bad guys rith at the exact time!! WHYYYYYY cant they believe that this same Almiht God can give me a prayer language and that he cant give people through the Holy Spirit
they ability to lay hands on someone and pray and that person be healed like smith wiggles worth!! they have to make an argument for every single super natural thing!!
WHY if you believe God is who he says je is then why why why is it so so so hard to believe thsesd things!
Why is it hard to believe that we can stil lspeak in tounges today? Why is it so hard to believe thatr God can speak to us whether it be to our hearts or in an audible voice??
He is sovergn right?
For exampleI personaly know at least 2 couples that are shacked up right now, they are older and one or both of them are drawing a check off of their first spouce who is passed away or getting a disabilty check or whatever andyway they claim to be Christians but they are living in sin!! But their pastor (HIRELING HIRELING HIRELING) tells them it is ok becasue the government has created a situation where they can not get married becsue they will lose their income!!!
WOAH SAY WHAT?? yep both couples diffeent churches different hirlings i mean pastors SAME DEVIL TELLING THEM LIES!!
What happend to trusting God?? There is no telling what provisions the Lord would make for them if they woul step out in faith thet is made pefect by obedience and gert married they may lose some of their money each month but I know God would honor them!!
That my friends is a demonstraion of real faith!! If they had faith that God would take care of them like he promised to them they would just get married but they are so afraid they will lose some of their check and food stamps if they had to claim the other ones income they live in sin and their pastors condone it, he says it is ok!!
And I know why becasue those pastors are so afraid they wil lose that tithe check every month if he tells them the truth and they reject it, they wil simply find a church that wil lie to them and say it is ok! So that is another demonstration of a lack of faith the pastor makes comprimises becasue he doesnt TRUST GOD!!! He doesnt belev God will keep his promises and that he will do what he says he will do, and thats casue he dontbelieve God is who he says he is!! HE hs doubt and a lack of faith!! These are the kinds of things I am talking about when I say faith = obedience
OK sory about the rant I will get off my soap box now
