Tithing is Biblical for Jews BUT it's NOT Scriptural..
Posted : 30 Dec, 2011 05:13 PM
For Christians because the Jews were required to keep it according to Levitical LAW of the Old Testament. So, since the Levitical Law was done away with by Christ's work on the cross, then so too, is the REQUIREMENT of tithes, or tithing all together for Christians. There is no example of tithing in New Testament Scripture to show that it was practiced by Christians within its proper context.
Do you agree?
If not, can you show me some New Testament verse where it says that a Christian must tithe 10%, please?
Tithing is Biblical for Jews BUT it's NOT Scriptural..
Posted : 30 Dec, 2011 06:20 PM
Btw the way George you will find out what the word of God says about that approach in this context.
Gen 4:2 And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.
Gen 4:3 And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD.
Gen 4:4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering:
Gen 4:5 But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.
Ju 1:10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.
Ju 1:11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.
Ju 1:12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
Ju 1:13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.
Tithing is Biblical for Jews BUT it's NOT Scriptural..
Posted : 30 Dec, 2011 06:24 PM
If the woreds of The Lord Jesus Christ!!
I have not come to abolish the law but to fullfill it!
If the jews tithed then we are to tithe. The laws are not abolished, do we have to make attonment through blood sacrifice for our sins? the answer is Jesu mAde that blood sacrifice for us at calvary!
Here is my question, whether or not we are commanded to give exactly 10% of our earnings or not, if you love the Lord then why would you even debate it? I mean he gave it to us in the first place right? In fact the scriptures say its Gods anyway we are just stewards so why is this even an issue is my point?
Whether we are directly under obligation like the jews (i think we are) or if we just do it becasue Her is a great God and we want to give to furhter the kingdom, then why does it matter?
MY other problem with this thread is this, someone else has said that tithesput a burden on believers and what I said to him then I will say again now
I am a 36 year old single mother of a 17 year old girl, I work 37-40 hours a week at the grocery outlet for 750 an hour thats 7 dolrs and 70 cent I thithe I give ten percent at least of my earnings every week1 If I can do it and it not be a burden it souldntr be a burden to anyone God provides for us, I have seen little miracles happen when I thought I wasnt gonna make it to work and to church on a wed the last night before paydy cause I didnt have enough gas as I walked out the door for work i prayed Lord just let me have enough to make it to work and to church tonight then if I run out so be it, I just need to work and go to church, well I got in the car where the gas light had been on the night before and that morning I had nearly half a tank of gas well a little less than half but oer a quater!
That was such a blessing to me, it was one of the litle ways He says to my "I am here my Child" some one I found out later had a gos can full of gas they needed empty and they just poured in into my tank but it was still God who did it he provided for me, ther a a thousend other little stories I could tell yal but my point is this, tithing is not a burden andI do it , my daughte and I do just fine we have nice clothes plenty of food and a sweet little 3 bedroom 2 bath place thats warm and outr power bill isnt too high runs about 150 while others are com[plainoing about 300 dollar bills! its not a burden if you are obedient God will make sure your ok!
Now Iam not saying like Jessie duplantis that God will give you corvettes and moter cycles thats obserd he will make sure oyu are taken care of, ither is no reason why any believer wouldnt pay tithes whether we are bound like the jews to or not if you truly love him you will want to, just like living a life of hollieness if you love Him you will not want to commit sin
Tithing is Biblical for Jews BUT it's NOT Scriptural..
Posted : 30 Dec, 2011 06:29 PM
Elisha that is part of the point if you love him you will be a doer of the word not only that put it is how he has chosen to be involved in our finances, the tithe is what opens the windows to his children.
Tithing is Biblical for Jews BUT it's NOT Scriptural..
Posted : 30 Dec, 2011 08:21 PM
First of all Christians do not tithe according to the law, Christians tithe according to the blessing of Abraham as indicated in Hebrews chapter 7.
Secondly, Tithes was not implimented in the law UNTIL many years AFTER ABRAHAM had given to Melchizedeck who was God or Jesus HImself. This is when God made tithing into the law, to care for the poor and needy and for the needs of the priests. So when Christians tithes they are not tithing according to the law of tithes but as according to Abraham tithing unto the Lord. Has not one thing to do with the law, so you're out of the loop on this one...
Also, you posts these topics, but I have noticed that you never come back to discuss them, so wassssss-up with that? We've already had many discussions on this topic over and over again, and we still come to the same conclusion...
Any one who tithes, God still honors His word whether it comes from the Old or New Testament, and if they do tithe is is according to THEIR PURPOSES AND FAITH, and God will bless what they give as He has promised.
When God gave free His Son, our obligation as Christians is to give freely of our gifts to financially blessed the church and works of the ministry of the church. God only requires that we freely give according to what we have purposed in our hearts to give. But if one tithes, this is not a sin, and they still receive the blessings as God has promised.
We already know that it is not a requirement, but when Jesus died He didn't do away with tithes, He did away with our sins! and fulflled the rules and regualtions of rituals and ceremonial laws... no where can you show wher He died did away with tithing is this what one calls it. Nor can you find anywhere where we are told we sghuld not tithes...
Tithing is Biblical for Jews BUT it's NOT Scriptural..
Posted : 30 Dec, 2011 10:11 PM
PJ, So where exactly do you see verses in the new Testament to show that the tithe should be followed by the believers today? Can you show them please? Thanks.
Shalom, I agree with you one hundred twenty percent and some change. There is an argumentative spirit and the church should be more like the 1st century gatherings.
POIC, Thanks for those verses, but as we can see Malachi was directed towards the temple priests( Mal. 1:6) instead of the Jewish common man. By simple observation of the first chapter you will see my point. I often laugh when pastors use the Malachi verses to try to rebuke his flock into giving more every Sunday when in essence those verses are actually rebuking the pastors for the very same thing that they are doing.
Elisha, again, if we do things that aren't backed by the Scriptures and try to admonish others who don't follow them to do so then aren't we guilty of being no different from them?
Jesus did not tithe. The Jews tithed because they were obliged to follow the law. Where do we Christians get 10% from? Can you come up with anything to substantiate it within the context of Scripture?
Angel, can you please elaborate on the verse you gave to support the tithe please?
ET, first off Abraham gave a tenth to Melchizedek AS A ONE TIME THING THAT WAS NEVER REPEATED AGAIN, so where do you get our obligation as Christians to do the same thing? If that is the case then we as Christians are to tithe once and be done with it as Abraham did.
Now, sorry for not "coming back" when you wanted me to discuss it but I had other matters to attend to.
But here is my point:
Tithing was a requirement in the Old Testament Levitical Law. Tithing was strictly for Jews. They were to give 23.3% a year (Lev. 27:30-33; Num. 18:21-31) for Levites who had no inheritance. Deut. 14:22-27 was for the festival tithe. And every third year for local orphans and strangers and widows (Deut. 14:28-29; 26:12-13). It all equals 23.3% a year. It was done away with in the New Testament by Christ. In fact, the 1st century believers wouldn't even know about it.The tithe that the modern churches carry on today is to upkeep the building, helping those with financial needs with the addition of paying for a Pastor's salary. Oddly, if we are to take Paul's example of salary for a pastor, then we see that Paul didn't have, nor want any (Acts. 20:31-35). Tithing was something that Cyprian of Carthage argued to financially support the clergy. Tithing was adapted by the churches to pay land that was leased to people in Charlemagne's day in Western Europe around the 7th and 8th century. It was a required law of the land. The law faded in the 10th century, but the practice didn't. Don't get me wrong. Donating for the needs of the poor was always a voluntary thing, but it became a " moral, legal mandatory religious requirement" in later centuries for Christians to do so.
Tithing is Biblical for Jews BUT it's NOT Scriptural..
Posted : 30 Dec, 2011 10:34 PM
agapeton, bro my pastor works a full time job takes care a family of 6 children and one on the way pls he is a full time pastor of our church, he takes no salory from the church all money is for the church and the needy of corse power and so on has to be paid at the church house owever I am not completly convinced he doesnt pay some of that out of hisa pocket as nobody WANTS TO PAY TITHES!!!! so my dear if we are not required to pay tithes, heck I dont know I am no scholar nor do I claim to know everything what i do claim to have is common sence and it is common sence than if we dont gice something then we will be meeting in the dark with no water so we cant tinkle in church if we need to nor washour hands afterwards, so maybe its not a sin not to, but if God expectsa us to assemble then I am sure he expects us to do what is required o have a place to assemble, furthermore all I said is I dont mind doing it, and the other things i said about it not being a burden were based on what ole george said last time we had this discussion about tithes before we started seeing you, and he claims that tithing puts a brden on us on believers that they cant handle and all I am saying is I was stopping that before it got started cause thats no reason not to tithe as I tithe and God blesses me , anything we withhold from god he cant bless! If we give over our money situations to him then he can bless them, but if we holod it back he cant or wont bless tem! I said before to me it doesnt matter if it is required or not, sence when if you love someone do you only do the bare minimum, why wouldnt we go over and above what is required if we love him? I give 10 percent every week sometimes more if he puts extra in my hands sometimes I will turn right around and give back all the extra money not so I will recieve but just becasue I love him and I want to! so why is this even an issue thats what I want to know?? if you love the lord you should want to give! it shouldnt matter if we are commanded to!
Tithing is Biblical for Jews BUT it's NOT Scriptural..
Posted : 30 Dec, 2011 10:49 PM
Elisha,simple. If God says one thing and man says another whom do you follow? I am not here to dispute one's yearning to please God in giving for the support brethren. I am here to discuss, challenge, and share the truths of Scripture with fellow brothers and sisters so that we all can be edified and learn from these discussions. Please, DO NOT categorize me with others in the past because that would be unfair and unbrotherly in the faith, sister.
I just ask questions because the Word says that we are to test all things and hold on to that which is true. How can we tell others to do things "by the Book" if we who preach it don't do it, sis? Should we not question our practices if they do not align with Scripture? Should we tell other denominations within our faith that tradition doesn't necessarily adhere to the Scripture if we follow a tradition that was implemented by man also?
