Why do some Christian denominations try to separate the Jewish believers from the Gentile believers today when the Jews themselves didn't do it when it came down to Proselytes (converts into Judaism)? Wouldn't this be the reason why Paul, a Pharisee, stated Galatian 3:26-29 the way he did?
This is what is says in the appendix of Gerim in the Babylonian Talmud about people baptized into Judaism.
How they were baptized: He who wants to be a proselyte is not received right away. They say to him: "Why do you want to be a proselyte? Have you not seen that this people is poorer and more oppressed and humiliated than all peoples? Troubles and trials come upon them, and they bury their sons and their sons' sons. They are killed on account of circumcision and immersion and all the rest of the commandments. And they do not behave in public like all the rest of the nations. If he says, "I am not up to this!," they dismiss him and he goes his own way. If he takes this on himself, they lead him down to the place of immersion. They cover him with water around the place of his nakedness, and they tell him some of the details of the commandments...
And they say good and comforting words to him: "Happy are you! Who have you joined? Him who spoke and the world was! The world was created only for the sake of Israel. Only Israel is called "sons of God" (Deut 14:1), and there is none beloved before God except Israel. All the words that we spoke to you we told you only to increase your reward!" Gerim 1.1-5
What the Jews said of them:
"Proselytes (gerim) are beloved, for in every place the texts compare them with Israel...
(1) "Love" is mentioned in connection with Israel, as it is said:"I have loved you, says the Lord" (Mal.1:2) and "love" is mentioned in connection with proselytes, as it is said: "And he who loves the stranger, giving him food and clothes" (Deut. 10:18).
(2) Israel is called "servants," as it is said: "For the children of Israel are servants to me" (Lev. 25:55) and proselytes are too, as it is said "(And the strangers who join themselves to the Lord), to be his servants" (Isa. 56:6)
(3) Our father Abraham called himself a "stranger," as it is said: "I am a stranger and sojourner with you" (Gen 22:4)
(4) Likewise, David, the king of Israel, called himself a "stranger," as it is said: "I am a stranger with you" (Ps 39:13).
(5) And similar to this, it says (of Israel): "For we are strangers before you" (1 Chron 29:15)" Gerim 4:3
Does anyone see that Paul's epistle to the Galatians emulates the same thing?
Galatians 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Could it be that an Israelite in the eyes of God is not a particular nation, culture, color, or gender, but a particular heart? What are your thoughts on this?
ok smarty pants...lol!! Read and weep...ISRAEL BELONGS TO G-D and woe unto those who try to take it.
The Lord appeared to Isaac, Abraham's son by Sarah, and who inherited the land promise of God to Abraham, and said: "Sojourn in this land, and I will be with thee, and will bless thee; for unto thee, and unto thy seed, I will give all these countries, and I will perform the oath which I sware unto Abraham thy father"; Genesis 26:3
After Isaac, Isaac's son Jacob, whose name was changed to Israel by God: "And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and men, and hast prevailed," Genesis 32:28, inherited the land covenant with Abraham as declared by God in Genesis Chapter 28: "I am the LORD God of Abraham thy father, the God of Isaac: the land whereon thou liest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed".vs. 13
After Moses delivered the Israelites out of Egypt into the promised land of Canaan, God gave specific boundries of Canaan land as declared in Numbers 34:1-2:
AND the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Command the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye come into the land of Canaan; this is the land that shall fall unto you for an inheritance, even the land of Canaan with the coasts thereof: 1-2
The Southern border of Canaan Land or Israel:Then your south quarter shall be from the wilderness of Zin along by the coast of Edom, and your south border shall be the outmost coast of the salt sea eastward: vs. 3And your border shall turn from the south to the ascent of Akrabbim, and pass on to Zin: and the going forth thereof shall be from the south to Kadeshbarnea, and shall go on to Hazaraddar, and pass on to Azmon: vs. 4And the border shall fetch a compass from Azmon unto the river of Egypt, and the goings out of it shall be at the sea. vs. 5
The Northern border of Canaan Land or Israel:And this shall be your north border: from the great sea ye shall point out for you mount Hor: From mount Hor ye shallm point out your border unto the the entrance of Hamath; and the goings forth of the border shall be to Zedad: And the border shall go on to Ziphron, and the goings out of it shall be at Hazarenan: this shall be your north border. Numbers 7-9
The Western border of Canaan Land or Israel:And as for the western border, ye shall even have the great sea for a border: this shall be your west border. Numbers 34:6
The Eastern border of Canaan Land or Israel:And ye shall point out your east border from Hazarenan to Shepham: And the coast shall go down from Shepham to Riblah, on the east side of Ain; and the border shall descend, and shall reach unto the side of the sea of Chinereth eastward. And the border shall go down to Jordan, and the goings out of it shall be at the salt sea: this swhall be your land with the coasts thereof round about. Numbers 34:10-12
The Lord further declares in Leviticus 25:23 that "The land shall not be sold for ever: for the land is mine; for ye are strangers and sojourners with me."
A land for peace deal, and chopping up the land of Canaan or Israel that the arabs and nations of the world have done and are now trying to force upon the Jewish people again with Judea and Samaria that they have renamed and dubbed the "West Bank" is completely off limits and God will deal severely with all those involved in the cutting up of His land that He promised to the Jews.
As for the war going on today with the Israelis and the terrorists Hamas who have taken over Gaza, Joshua narrows it down and tells us that Gaza also belongs to Israel, specifically the tribe of Judah.
This is the inheritance of the tribe of the children of Judah according to their families. Joshua 15:20 Ashdod with her towns and her villages, Gaza with her towns and her villages, unto the river of Egypt, and the great sea, and the border thereof: Joshua 15:47.
Shalom, sister I never once said that Israel didn't belong to God. Did I? lol
I did however, say that who ever believes in Christ as the prophesied one to come into the world according to the Scriptures is a Jew though. Even the Jews themselves said it according to their own talmud and they proved it from the Scriptures.
Paul, a pharisee who would have known the Talmudic teachings ALSO MIRRORED THIS IN HIS OWN WORDS in Romans 2:28-29 and Galatians 3:28-29. He showed that Israel is not a nation, land, or blood born people but one of the heart.
You've posted Scripture of which Joshua said that the land promise was already fulfilled. I posted Scripture showing that too.
Why do you think that i asked you the Jerusalem question the way I did, sister?
You think it was to show you that the physical land was not being spoken about when God said that he was going to restore it?
Just a thought that you might want to consider. :)
I don't know, I guess from what you posted about Israel, I thought you believed like other churches and christians do, that the church replaced Israel, so that the promises are for believers and not physical Israel.
Sorry if I misunderstood you brother.
If G-d's covenants are not to be broken, then they are continued, or continually fulfilled to a thousand generations? Don't you think, bro?
I believe that the promises are for physical Israel and for true believers in Christ also based on the OT and the NT covenants. Man has tried to change things, but G-d is the same yesterday, today and forever. We can't limit G-d when it comes to this or that being fulfilled, because the intelligence of man is foolishness to G-d, he is SUPERNATURAL!
