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Posted : 10 Jan, 2012 05:53 PM

1Co 14:26 How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.





This scripture is not alive in those that are in rebellion against the word and have rejected The gift of The Holy Ghost, he does not cooperate in man's way's and opinion's he only responds to the truth and faith.

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Posted : 11 Jan, 2012 03:49 AM

To elisha:



Let us look into the Word of YHWH about the scripture you posted.



1Co 11:16 But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.

1Co 11:17 Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse.

1Co 11:18 For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.

1Co 11:19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.

1Co 11:20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

1Co 11:21 For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken.

1Co 11:22 What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not.





In verses 17 & 22 the Corinthians were being REBUKED for their treatment of the poor which would come to break bread with those that had food to bring.



The comparison is when Yeshua has His passover MEAL with His Discples He had provided everything necessary for the meal,He also FREELY shared this meal with His Disciples.



The reason most people do not have the Communion meal is that MOST have NEVER been instructed about this meal.



Had the people been insturcted to the edification which results in this assembly of believers,they would begin to see that more of the Word of Yeshua has been withheld from them.



The enemy of YHWH uses the 'church' to keep people from understanding and knowing the Freedo they have as Kings and Priest of El-Elyon/ The Most High GOD.



Yeshua came that we would have LIFE,that is the LIFE of GOD,and to have that LIFE abundantly.



In the Hebrew understanding of being free and having freedom,there is understanding that freedom is about wide open space.



John 8:36



(KJV) If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.



(KJV+) IfG1437 theG3588 SonG5207 thereforeG3767 shall make you free,G1659 G5209 ye shall beG2071 freeG1658 indeed.G3689



(LITV) Therefore, if the Son sets you free, you are free indeed.



(YLT) if then the son may make you free, in reality ye shall be free.



Shalom

Farmer / George

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Posted : 11 Jan, 2012 04:24 AM

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Posted : 10 Jan, 2012 09:20 PM





Now in this that I declare [unto you] I praise [you] not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse.















Who was it that said we should be eating when we assemble together?



ME: Paul and the early church did. it was called the breaking of the bread. Jude called it the love feast. Jude 1:12; Acts 2:42, 46





We are not to be having a meal for communion!





ME: Actually, sister, what we call communion is unbiblical because we don't do it in celebration anymore like they early church did. We actually sacrifice Jesus every time we do it by remembering Paul's rebuke to a congregation that ABUSED the standards of the feast when they came together.





Here. Let me show you something that hardly any pastor touches on in thie epistle to the Corinthians.



Firs off Paul is rebuking Corinthians who are the third church founded by him (Galatia being the first, then Thessalonica.) because they are allowing their surroundings (the world) into their meetings after him being with them for two years while growing and instituting the foundations of the fellowship of the saints ((Usually every church Paul founded he was there for average of 6 months. Corinth took longer because the region had been known to be the most lascivious. In fact to be called a Corinthian was a huge insult in the world then.)















1Cr 11:18 For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.



Remember the first chapter about Paul saying that they got cliquey?













1Cr 11:19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.











1Cr 11:20 When ye come together therefore into one place, [this] is not to eat the Lord's supper.





He is saying you guys are coming together for the Lord's supper anbd are not doing it the way I laid the foundation as before...





1Cr 11:21 For in eating every one taketh before [other] his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken.





Notic of telling them to stop the celebratione how he says when people come here they take the food that is there and disrespect the person who is lacking and the cup of wine is abused and taken excessively? Did you notice that there was a celebration there in order for them to do such a thing? It was in fact a celebration and Paul did not rebuke them for that. He rebuked them for being selfish and abusing the wine there instead of stopping the celebration.





1Cr 11:22 What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in?







Still rebuking the ones who have more of and neglect the people who have less.



Coincidently, Paul's rebuke is read to the churches everytime we gather to celebrate the Lord's sacrifice for our eternal salvation.







1Cr 11:34 And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come.





As for verse 34, it is better understood by reading verse 33 first and taken in light of all the context.





1Co 11:33 So then, my brothers, when you come together to eat, wait for one another--



Notice how it was a meal now?

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Posted : 11 Jan, 2012 07:28 AM

You two have a vivd imagination of unbelief, you have great need of the ministry gifts in your life, you actully believe your lies.

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Posted : 11 Jan, 2012 11:37 AM

Dr.Phil:

Thank you for sharing.

May we have our next call please.



Welcome to the open forum.



Shalom

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Posted : 11 Jan, 2012 11:58 AM

No calling George just the precious truth.

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Posted : 11 Jan, 2012 12:14 PM

Shared ~ The enemy of YHWH uses the 'church' to keep people from understanding and knowing the Freedo they have as Kings and Priest of El-Elyon/ The Most High GOD.



*** NO !!!...the Enemy of GOD uses "People" to do the Undermining of the "Church" which is the Hebrew/Israel/Jew/Christians that have Accepted Christ Jesus as Messiah/Saviour...and "WE" are the "Church"...the "Body of Christ Jesus"...Be Blessed Yall...xo

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Posted : 11 Jan, 2012 01:04 PM

George and Agepeton, I have spent a geat deal of time going through scriptures with someone who is a lot smarter than I am and who I know lives a Christian life, somebody who has been studying and breaking it down and looking at the concordence and lexecon since I was a little girl, when I have a question he is who I ask to help me understand it,

What godly council do you two take? while you are constanly yelling out " I am right and you are wrong" my question is who is it that confirms that you are right?



and agaoeton, you cant read 33 without 34 which says if any man hunger LET HIM EAT AT HOME, that ye come not together unto condemnation.And the rest will I set in order when I come!



HE specifiacaly told them if they are hungry eat at home, so if its suposed to be a "meal" then why wouldnt he want you to come hungry? Its simply something we do in rememberence of The Lord, no reason to have a meal!



In fact insisting that there is a full fleged meal is leagalistic , we do not have to have a table spread to take the bread for Hid body and wine for His blood, thats all we know for sure and Let me tell you I dont think that everyone else is wrong and thet wo of you are right!



I trust my godly daddy who has been an example of living the life of Christ for 30 years over 30 years he is the smartes man I have ever met, he is so smart that its hard o have a conversation with him about somethings because he knows so much, his IQ is higher than mine and last I ws tested mine was 143, and besides and more importanly he has the wisdom that comes with the fear of the Lord, he loves me more than anything in this world I am his only child and I know that I know that I know that he would never tell me anything wrong!



When he says something he has testeded it looked it up looked at it a hundred different ways and figured out exactly what the truth is before he would ever tell it to me,So him I trust yall I dont know well enough to trust at all much less trust you more than i trust my own daddy who has been praying for me since I was born!



Dont worry about changing my mind about anything you wont,



The only one who has come close to swaying anyuthing that I believe is james and thats becaseu he says what he says out of love and he makes some good points, his arguments are not ful of pride and malice so I recieve what he says the way he says it, with love!

I may be wrong but I dont care becasue whether or not we eat a meal or just a cracker and a thymbol of juice, thats not what will get me to heaven , I fgot what I need to make it to heaven thank you very much so do yall worry about correcting me, I am on the road to heaven and thats all that matters

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Posted : 11 Jan, 2012 01:37 PM

Elisha they are not interested in getting it correct, they want you to follow them, it could not be any more obvious.

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Posted : 11 Jan, 2012 03:05 PM

Wow. And all I did was trust the Words that said that no man should teach me anything because the Holy Spirit thAt is in me would teach me but I guess I was wrong to do that and should have trusted a man instead.





Elisha, first off you can't build a whole ideology based on what you know now and what any man teaches you no mAtter how godly they are because that will sway your coming to the Scriptures every time you read them. I once did that before I knew the Lord and I will trust only Him. But what I did learn from my time of living in man's truth in light of God's truth is thAt you can tell how others view Scripture by the way thAt they answer your questions when you point out something thAt they never thought of while looking at a verse they've been reading for years.





Here is an example: you say that I say everything towards you in pride and yet not once hAve I said that you know nothing, called you stupid in anywAy, or even insulted you in order for you to think that. But you do. Why? Because the general topics and questions I make "insult" you when I'm not directing them at you. So, here lays the dilemma. You see things into what I do that are simply not there and make your comments regarding that. Am I wrong in this? No. I've not insulted you when I responded to you here. Have I? Nope.



And you keep telling me that I am trying to make you lose your faith when not once am I preaching Against Christ or His teAchings. What am I saying though? I'm simply stating that since Constentin's day the Faith has gone a drastic change in order to be Accepted by the world that even Christians don't bother to question why this is so. It is sorta of like the prophets speaking out against Israel And them not being accepted until AFTER it happened and it was pointed out to them plenty of times during it.



I'm not saying that the people who changed the wAys we do things weren't godly. I'm saying thAt even though that meant well, they still changed the way WE ALL look to the Scriptures in light of what we practice and discount them without RESEARCHING them.



Think about the questions I asked, Elisha. Why couldn't people outright answer them? They were fairly simple. According to Jewish tradition, manners, religion, and custom a pharisee had to be married in orader to be called one. Did anyone reseArch it? Nope. Some quoted theologians who are well doctrinated (depending on the shool) pastors.



And what About the ministry of Jesus one? Two people googled two of the same topic and not once did it answer the question. I already knew this because I researched it. The ministry was aways accepted as 1 year until the 4th century but everyone was ok with that. Not once did anyone bother to research the history or even google it. They just came up with a website that assumed and mentioned the three year ministry but hAd nothing to show for it.



This is my whole point of the gathering of the saints topics, sister. If we can see that the Lord has empowered ALL of His saints through His word nd they take time to do some personal research into it correctly (which isn't taught enough, sadly), then there would be no confusion or denominations. But sadly, we humans tend to want to be lead and neglect the fact thAt the Holy Spirit is the one teaching us all and wanting us all to edify the body of Christ. His body, by the way. There is no such thing s denomintions in Christ. They are purely man made. And with those denominations come the "don't reserch this or believe that" that these denominationalist men teach. These denominations and zealous Adherers to them deny the very omnipotent God who says to search Him out nd He will reveal Himself in TRUTH.



I mean who is denying God's power over the enemy by telling you not to research something within the Word of God other than these denominationally challenged men? Who gets the glory in that? Man, Satan, or God?



You don't like me? That's fine. You think I'm prideful and unloving? GreAt. But don't stop researching what I say because of me or "Satan" because in doing so you Are saying that lies nd deceit have more power than the Holy Spirit within you who says thAt nothing or no one will ever be Able to pluck you out of His hand.

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Wow. And all I did was trust the Words that said that no man should teach me anything because the Holy Spirit thAt is in me would teach me but I guess I was wrong to do that and should have trusted a man instead.











Elisha, first off you can't build a whole ideology based on what you know now and what any man teaches you no mAtter how godly they are because that will sway your coming to the Scriptures every time you read them. I once did that before I knew the Lord and I will trust only Him. But what I did learn from my time of living in man's truth in light of God's truth is thAt you can tell how others view Scripture by the way thAt they answer your questions when you point out something thAt they never thought of while looking at a verse they've been reading for years.











Here is an example: you say that I say everything towards you in pride and yet not once hAve I said that you know nothing, called you stupid in anywAy, or even insulted you in order for you to think that. But you do. Why? Because the general topics and questions I make "insult" you when I'm not directing them at you. So, here lays the dilemma. You see things into what I do that are simply not there and make y



This response in light of scripture is one of pride.

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