is there ANY evidence of a hierarchy WITHIN the Trinity...
Posted : 23 Jan, 2012 01:01 PM
Within the Scriptures? Seriously, I was just pondering about the wonders of our Lord and it suddenly dawned on me.
The Scriptures really don't show a hierarchy within the Godhead anywhere in the Scriptures of the three essences with the exception of Jesus leaving all of His majesty, honor, authority, and power on the throne to become a man and be subject to the Father. But other than that part of the Scriptures ALL THREE ARE EQUAL in power and authority from one another.
I honestly think that the only ones who separate the "authority" between the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit is mankind because we tend to put a "label" on something in order to make it easier to understand it on our human terms.
What do you think? Is there such a thing as a hierarchy between the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit in the Scriptures? If so, then please present the Scriptures to show it so that we may all learn from it.
By the way, this is purely for discussion purposes and not to bash anyone's knowledge of anything here. So the Phorum Pharisitically minded people please be peaceable or stay out of the topic.
is there ANY evidence of a hierarchy WITHIN the Trinity...
Posted : 24 Jan, 2012 01:40 PM
Angel, thanks for the copy-pasted explanation of the Holy Spirit. That is very nice. It pretty much supports the view that the Godhead is still infused with three distinct personalities that are equal in authority and counsel together while sharing that reciprocal love with one another.
In light of that "community" within the Godhead, should all the believers in Christ share the same amongst the brethren?
Your thoughts?
PJ, thanks for your contribution. I understand that your response was as peaceable as you can get so thank you for complying with some of the requests I made in this topic, brother.
is there ANY evidence of a hierarchy WITHIN the Trinity...
Posted : 24 Jan, 2012 01:48 PM
But what I'm trying to get at is the expression of the Godhead is what we, the body are to emulate by way of love, authority, and community. Since there is no hierarchial authority within the Godhead, then there should be no other hierarchial rule in the Body to emulate such. Do you agree?
Ella says: For anyne to agre or believe in this thought is to deny everything that scriptures presents to us when it comes to those God has placed in AUTHORITY over his people from the Old Testament to the New, including the book of Revelationship and the rule of auhtoruty.
God says we are to OBEY THOSE WHO HAVE RULE OVER US, and this means spiritual rule and government rule, and to deny such is to make God's word a lie and untrue.
If you obey those who are in AUTHORUTY AND RUKE over you on your job, what;s seems to be the problem with oding as well in the hosue of God and the those who givern the laws of the law? Since God does say OBEY THOSE WHO ARE IN AUTHORITY OVER YOU and the laws of the land, one must ask what does this saying mean that God speaks to us as believers when He give out such command?
We know that all this means ONLY wherein the authority and laws of the land are within the guidelines according to God's word should we obey, and even when they are not, God exhorts us that if this is the case, leave the judgment and punsihment to Him to bring forth on those who are not in obedience to what HE SPEAKS as being fair and just, to those in authoruty and rile over His people.
God esrablished hierarcy, othewise He would not have appointed apostles, prophets, evenagleists, pastors, teachers, and kings and queens and judges to be over his people, not would He have given out the law of sommand we are to follow and obey regarding our conduct and behavior toward those in authority.
is there ANY evidence of a hierarchy WITHIN the Trinity...
Posted : 24 Jan, 2012 01:57 PM
In light of that "community" within the Godhead, should all the believers in Christ share the same amongst the brethren?
Your thoughts?
*** Absolutly !!!...Jesus told His apostles...I cant remember what scripture at this time...He came to Serve...he striped down and gurded Him self with a towel and began to wash the Desiples feet as He explained to them many things about Serving each other...Who is Leader let him Serve...etc...etc...etc...Its All about Love for others...Jesus said if you Love Me you will keep my commandments...Love one another as I have Loved you...:peace:
Out of couriousty...When you go to visit someone on the spur of the moment in todays times...do ya get offered a drink of water or a bite to eat ???...I rarely do...I must ask to be served...May I have a glass of water?...When people come to visit me I offer all I have which isnt much...even ifin I gota cook it...Do unto others as you would have done unto you...Right ?...even ifin they dont know how to be giving...We give to just give...because of Love...xo
is there ANY evidence of a hierarchy WITHIN the Trinity...
Posted : 24 Jan, 2012 02:01 PM
Ella says: For anyne to agre or believe in this
thought is to deny everything that scriptures
presents to us when it comes to those God has
placed in AUTHORITY over his people from the Old
Testament to the New, including the book of
Revelationship and the rule of auhtoruty.
God says we are to OBEY THOSE WHO HAVE RULE
OVER US, and this means spiritual rule and
government rule, and to deny such is to make
God's word a lie and untrue.
Sis, you've yet to provide a definitive verse to show a hierarchy within the trinity to even substantiAte your claim of it before you go further. But for your sake, I'll point out thAt the verse you are going to refer to in Hebrews 13 shows to follow by way of persuasion and NOT by way of subjection dear.
We in Christ are to emulAte the Godhead on earth Eph. 1:22-23 not this world's model and "lord" things over ourselves.
is there ANY evidence of a hierarchy WITHIN the Trinity...
Posted : 24 Jan, 2012 02:18 PM
Agapeton, my comment which you tool pout of context of what i was responding to... this is in reference to your comment below: Please quote within what I have said for clear understanding... thanks.
Agapeton said: But what I'm trying to get at is the expression of the Godhead is what we, the body are to emulate by way of love, authority, and community. Since there is no hierarchial authority within the Godhead, then there should be no other hierarchial rule in the Body to emulate such. Do you agree?
Ella says(includes typo corrections): For anyne to agree or believe in this thought is to deny everything that scriptures presents to us when it comes to those God has placed in AUTHORITY over His people from the Old Testament to the New, including the book of Revelation and the rule of authority.
God says we are to OBEY THOSE WHO HAVE RULE OVER US, and this means spiritual rule and government rule, and to deny such is to make God's word a lie and untrue.
If you obey those who are in AUTHORITY AND RULE over you on your job, what's seems to be the problem with doing as well in the house of God and the those who govern the laws of the land? Since God does say OBEY THOSE WHO ARE IN AUTHORITY OVER YOU and the laws of the land, one must ask what does this saying mean that God speaks to us as believers when He give out such command?
We know that all this means ONLY wherein the authority and laws of the land are within the guidelines according to God's word should we obey, and even when they are not, God exhorts us that if this is the case, leave the judgment and punsihment to Him to bring forth on those who are not in obedience to what HE SPEAKS as being unfair andunjust, to those in authoruty and rule over His people.
God established hierarcy, othewise He would not have appointed apostles, prophets, evenagleists, pastors, teachers, and kings and queens and judges to be over his people, not would He have given out the law of sommand we are to follow and obey regarding our conduct and behavior toward those in authority.
is there ANY evidence of a hierarchy WITHIN the Trinity...
Posted : 24 Jan, 2012 02:19 PM
Agapeton, my comment which you tool pout of context of what i was responding to... this is in reference to your comment below: Please quote within what I have said for clear understanding... thanks.
Agapeton said: But what I'm trying to get at is the expression of the Godhead is what we, the body are to emulate by way of love, authority, and community. Since there is no hierarchial authority within the Godhead, then there should be no other hierarchial rule in the Body to emulate such. Do you agree?
Ella says(includes typo corrections): For anyne to agree or believe in this thought is to deny everything that scriptures presents to us when it comes to those God has placed in AUTHORITY over His people from the Old Testament to the New, including the book of Revelation and the rule of authority.
God says we are to OBEY THOSE WHO HAVE RULE OVER US, and this means spiritual rule and government rule, and to deny such is to make God's word a lie and untrue.
If you obey those who are in AUTHORITY AND RULE over you on your job, what's seems to be the problem with doing as well in the house of God and the those who govern the laws of the land? Since God does say OBEY THOSE WHO ARE IN AUTHORITY OVER YOU and the laws of the land, one must ask what does this saying mean that God speaks to us as believers when He give out such command?
We know that all this means ONLY wherein the authority and laws of the land are within the guidelines according to God's word should we obey, and even when they are not, God exhorts us that if this is the case, leave the judgment and punsihment to Him to bring forth on those who are not in obedience to what HE SPEAKS as being unfair andunjust, to those in authoruty and rule over His people.
God established hierarcy, othewise He would not have appointed apostles, prophets, evenagleists, pastors, teachers, and kings and queens and judges to be over his people, not would He have given out the law of sommand we are to follow and obey regarding our conduct and behavior toward those in authority.
is there ANY evidence of a hierarchy WITHIN the Trinity...
Posted : 24 Jan, 2012 02:25 PM
Agaepton, this is my comment regarding your question: is there ANY evidence of a hierarchy WITHIN the Trinity?
Ella says: BY definition of the word GOD-HEAD, lets us know within the Trinity, that God is the HEAD of His OWN Divine order and divine nature and His OWN HIERARCHY.
This also lets us know that Jesus Chist and the Holy Spirit are subordinates in the devine diety of who God the Father is, and who God the Jesus is, and who God the holy Sprit is in realtionship to the Trinity, YET they are all ONE.
I like this from our church's statement of faith: We believe that in the unity of the Godhead, there are Three Personas: GOD THE FATHER, GOD THE SON, and GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT; equals ONE, in every Divine Perfection, executing distinct but, harmonious offices in the great works of redemption of mankind.
is there ANY evidence of a hierarchy WITHIN the Trinity...
Posted : 24 Jan, 2012 02:26 PM
Agaepton, this is my comment regarding your question: is there ANY evidence of a hierarchy WITHIN the Trinity?
Ella says: BY definition of the word GOD-HEAD, lets us know within the Trinity, that God is the HEAD of His OWN Divine order and divine nature and His OWN HIERARCHY.
This also lets us know that Jesus Chist and the Holy Spirit are subordinates in the devine diety of who God the Father is, and who God the Jesus is, and who God the holy Sprit is in realtionship to the Trinity, YET they are all ONE.
I like this from our church's statement of faith: We believe that in the unity of the Godhead, there are Three Personas: GOD THE FATHER, GOD THE SON, and GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT; equals ONE, in every Divine Perfection, executing distinct but, harmonious offices in the great works of redemption of mankind.
is there ANY evidence of a hierarchy WITHIN the Trinity...
Posted : 24 Jan, 2012 02:31 PM
Ella says(includes typo corrections): For anyne to agree or believe in this thought is to deny everything that scriptures presents to us when it comes to those God has placed in AUTHORITY over His people from the Old Testament to the New, including the book of Revelation and the rule of authority.
ME: Sister do you remember when God did not appoint a king over the Israelites because He didn't want them to be like the rest of the world? Guess what happened? That's right. Saul was made king because the people wanted it CONTRARY TO WHAT GOD WANTED.
What is your point about God having placed authority?
