I posted this here Elisha so maybe you will be accountable, and know I am not going to agree with when you disagree with the word of God.
Question is man flesh?
PJ , man is most definatly born a sinner, what in the world are you talking about? the flesh is sinful if we do nothing we naturaly sin we must make deceisions not to sin, I have been in a full gospel church all of my life and I have never heard anyone even hint around that we were not born into being a sinner if in fact we were not born sinful then there would be a slim possibility that we could keep the law and nobody can kep the law PJ, I think you make stuff up as you go that sounds like you had some kind of revalation and God told you something we dont know,
You know who else that happend to don toyu?
Joseph smith!!
Just kidding but for real PJ what you are saying is border line on something I am not willing to say about you but its bad, we are born sinners!
Why dont you please please speak clearly and stop talking in riddels its confusing and I dont understand what your points are which is starting to make me a little suspsiouse!
By the way when you start pointing fingers calling me carnal that is implying that you are more spiritual than I am and that is sin too my brother you are not to be comparing anyone to your self you are only to compare yourself to Jesus then maybe you can put into prespective your own nature, I wouldnt call you carnal PJ whether I thought I was more spiritual than you or not! My unbelief is not sin because you have yet to give me the word of God to support what you are trying to claim and also I said I believe the Lord prospers his children all I ever said is if a mans heart is wrong and he is giving for the wrong reasons just for self gain he is sinning and that is not the gospel.
Sometimes I wonder if you afre reading what I am saying PJ cause you keep saying and acusing me of the exact opposit of what I have said and implied
No, not once maybe it is not saying what you mean, or knowing what the word of God teaches.
Yes Donna I have that type of personality you know the hard headed type that has to learn the hard way:ROFL:
Thanks to all of my brothers and sisters for standingup for me!
I cant understand why PJ would attack me like this for the last few days?? I am really puzzeld PJ you have yet to give me any kind of scripture that supports your beliefs in prosperity you say he will increase any seed thbat we sew?
Every promise in the Word to us is conditional and I am sure you are aware of that like all good things work together for good the condition of that is for those who love the Lord, now as far as Hid Love thats no conditonal but his promises are like what was the promise with honor thy father and mother I think its you will have a long life but I am not sure, I know there is a promise with it, no the Lord promised to give us the desies of our hearts but he wil not give us our ungodly desires and lusts so thats conditional too and sewig seeds for the sole purpose of reeping the harvest (getting rich or increased with money) thats not a promise God is not a divine stock market or casino he will bless us and his blessings dot work like you are proclaiming they do like one who gives 5 dollars will not get as much back as one who gives 500 what do you think this is a heavenly pyramid scheme? God dont work that way and if you are having results of that nature I would suggest you check yourself before you wreck yourself there are demonic counterfits to everything God blesses us with PJ you have addmited that yourself so it is possible and probable that satan fools the mislead and decieved into thinking they have recieved a blessing from God!
Gods blessings dont come when you give away ten dollars then sit looking up with your hand out! I am not one of those followes of the "health and wealthers" as George would call them he has acused me of that many times but its not so Rod parsley Jessie duplatus, Kennath copeland they are not the bunch I would take a shred of council from!
As far men not being born sinners please tell me PJ if we arent born sinners why do we need a savior? Honestly I guess we make a decesion to become sinners?
NO we do not, small children at very young ages before they are ever ever taught right from wrong and what sin is they start telling lies ! I dont now if you have children but by the age of 4 they have learned manipulation and teling lies and have them down pat! Why do you think that is PJ?? I will tell you why its not what they actuly leaqrned in order to learn you must be taught something or have experiences that cause you to teach yourself NOPE They are born with it!!
Even a little todler has learned to manipulate you they have learned to fake cry with no tears before they can put scentences together PJ thats sin manipulation is witchcraft! So please explain that to me, if we are not born sinners!
Watchman nee explained it to me in a bok I read we do not become sinners because we have sinned we sin because because we are siners and we will be sinners until we get our new glorified bodies!
My feelings are truly hurt by the things you have said to me lately PJ I thought you and I were cool with each other I am shocked att the way you turned against me and started throwing words at me like unbelief ,
I will say this again just because I disagree with you doesnt mean I disagree with Gods word and Just because I havent bought the same lies from satan you have bought doesnt mean I have unbelief now I already know whagt you are ging to say your very predictable you are going to say thagt I called the gospel a lie or satan and I dont believe what Jesus said thats horse pucky why dont you say something other than throwing thjat stuff around you sound like a broken record please tell me what is wrong exactly with the what I said in the copy and paste in the post you started this thread with , please explain why its wrong and give scripture to support why I am wrong ..
I know you wont you may post scripture but it will probaly support what I have stated and you wills say it does the opposit but you wont explain how! I stil consider you my brother PJ I love you man but you are way off base here and you have been way ouit of line with me!
I am teling you that you have offened me and hurt my feelings thats all I can do Jesus said if someone offends or hurts you we are to tel that person so I have told you now what you do with that is between you and the Lord I have done what I am suposed to do regaurding this situation
My feelings are truly hurt by the things you have said to me lately PJ I thought you and I were cool with each other I am shocked att the way you turned against me and started throwing words at me like unbelief ,
Elisha the statement as most of the response is not in agreement with scripture and that is an example of unbelief as I said before, I never said you where an unbeliever.
Not one time have I turned against you.
No amount of unbelief on whosoever part, brings man into the earth as a sinner.
Btw according to that opinion if a child died in birth they would go to hell, do you believe that.
The Jews that are not born again no man is not born a sinner.
Now that you have Agapeton to encourage do you suppose that changing the truth.
What truth exactly isd it you are refering to PJ you spout off what you disagree with but you havent one time said what exactly it is you believe and why it is in disagrrement with what I am proclaiming and what i believe !!
I am sorry but I am sick to death of these buisness men on TV claiming to be prophits and preachers and pastors and men of god when all they are trying to do is get some poor person who really needs the Lord to believe this garbage that they are talking about so that they can get into their pocket books and bank acounts they dont ask for the donations in the name of chiarity 99% of thge time they ask for the donations in the name of reaping a financial harvest or some selfish prayer for money a job or house or car to be answerd sometimes they promise a healling I dont need scripture to tell me thats wrong all though I am sure there is one that does say its wrong I dont know where it is or what it says but being hol ghost filled means I know when something sdtinks of selfishness and sin and these doctrines STINK STINK STINK
If anyone looks at from the eyes of a born again believer holy ghost filled and truly seeking truth and HIS rightousnes they would see this stuff for what it is!! A SCAM AND A LIE FROM SATAN as long as satan has folks fooled into thinking they got IT and they are in touch with God because they thing God is blessing them with money and there wants and what they think they need then they will not be searching for what they really need and thats true salvation!
I will say this for Jimmy Swaggart I love him He is really the only one I will watch I love to hear him sing and preach when he asks for donations and love gifts HE NEVER EVER starts saying what you will ecieve in return he is honest and states the need of the ministry like I know once they needed new camera s now they need generators in case of a storm to keep the station up and running! He has had his snares we all have falen into satans trap at one time or another but for the little TV preaching I watch I have never heard him make those promises like the others do of health and wealth if you send them money!
We are to be wise as serpants and harmless as doves and sending those men with all that makeup on that tell me I will make a bunch of money if I send them what Little I have is not being wise! So sorry but why dont those preachers if they are so pure and true of intentions tell people Hey if you give such in such to your local church charity or minisrty then God will bring you the increase????? HUH?why is that?? I tell you why cause they are the ones that want the money it has nothingto do with the veiwer or the Lord (not ll of them) But a lot and soooo many people are decieved just like my friend from when I was a teenager her mamma feel victim to a man like that and they became destitue living in skanky motels and efficiancy apartments I had to steal her a christmas tree one year cause her mamma was brain washed and gave a man like that all there money every moneth I think she got disability check and she signed it all over to that chgurhc FAITH CHRISTIAN FAMILY IN PCB FLORIDA MARKUS BISHOP!!
these peole are ambush predetors and they prey on the week minded and poor its sad and I wont defend them just because they claim the Lord doesnt make them of Him
PJ there is an age in wich men become accountable for their sin you know this, so no a baby would not go to hell but we are all sinners and born with a sin nature its what comes natural DUH!!! thats why its called a NAAATURE!!
and what part doesnt line up with scriture? I told you I feel like you attacted me so whether you think you did or not is really irelevant dont you think being attacked is subjective???
If I feel attaked by you then whether or not you think you attacked me doesnt matter now does it I feel like you did therefor I am reacting and responding as if you did!
You have sonsitantly called me an unbeliever for 3 days at least and come to think of it as many times as I have been the only one to stick up for you and take your side and even defend you when I did not agree with you , you have never really said anything kind to me at all I have been thinking at anytime you would say something kind I dont say kind things in order to get a kind responce dont get me wrong but I still really tought that I would but for the most part even if I fully agrred with you , you have been short and abrasive with me and never one time said you agreed with anything I have said, I dont think you are doing it on purpose I think you have aflegmaic peronality maybe or whichever is the abrasive kind of perdonality! We conflict because I am meloncoly colleric and I am a people pleaser and kind and overly nice to everybody to the point where [people think I am fake but I am not I am just realy sweet and I want to make everyone happy I have super tender feelings and so the harsh words you have used considering my tendnecy to take your side even when I disagrredd with what you were saying really has hurt my feelings however I did not expect an apologey from you! You are just like most men I lknow tto proud to admit when they are wrong! I myself am not too proud I am wrong alot and wronged sal someime back and I was very ashamed to the point I humiliated myself to a very personal lever to apoligze to him becaue I didnt want himn to have any hard feelings towards me and thats why Jesus instructed us to tell our bros and sises if the have hurt us so there would be no hard feelings but your pride is more important I guess than the briges between us being clear so whatever PJ your right whatever it is you need me to say I give up I am done with this topic my heart hurts because of it and I am finished with it good night
PJ you not be talking about the TV preachers but hats what I been talking about all along I have said that 100000000000 times so whatevr you been talking about is what you been talking about but I have made it clear exactly what I was refering to and where I thought the sin was anbsd no me speaking of someone elses sin does not make me guilty of there sin and who are you to say what sins i am guilty of if what i did makes me guilty of sin its my own sin (gossip maybe but Idont think so because I wasnt trying to spread things idlely but was making apoint) so you know what Pj I am over it you dont see what you did and you wqont becaue you r too blinded by your own pride to notice and by pride I mean ther fact that if you concced to me you will have to admit yu are wrong and your not willing to even admit it to yourself thats why you will hold onto the lies of satan about the health and wealth gospels and never see what truth really is! #1 rule if it feels good and sounds good to the flesh its most likely evil and bad for the spirit! becaue the flesh wars against the spirit one is contrary to the other this is why health and wealth doesnt fly because it is buliding up rotten flesh and feeding it to make it even bigger NOPE not the gospel PJ the gos[el is cruciy flesh not make it bigger the word is a 2 ege sword to cut in and coming out thas to cut away FLESH not make it bigger like health and wealth corvetts boats moter cycles and new suits that is not not not the gospel of Jesus Christ He said take no thought of these things the son of man has nowhere to lay his head
no pj saying that you hurt my feelings isnt speaking evil against you, and nits funny how you think that is sin (that bI said you hurt ne) but you dont think calling me in unbelief iand calling me a sinner isnt
He is way too proud a man to admit when he is wrong nor has he any mercy of heart to ask for forgiveness from others even if he sinned against them unintentionally.
Do yourself a favor and save your energy and ignore Him. Quietly pray for him. It is a good thing that only God can change the heart because it is quite obvious man cannot do it on his own.
