We are not saved only to be instruments for God, but to be His sons and daughters. As His disciples, our lives must be a Holy example of the reality of our message.
Even the natural heart of the unsaved will serve if called upon to do so, but it takes a heart broken by Conviction of Sin, Baptized by the "Holy Spirit", and crushed into Submission to God's purpose to make a person's life a Holy example of God's message.
ME: Honestly sister, one who sees lacking is lacking in ones self. As it is written: as a man thinks so is he.....
Now, The reason why I asked the question ansd showed the text was to SHOW YOU THAT WHAT YOU STATED WAS NOT TRUE in light of the Ethiopian.:boxing:
What you started had nothing to do with with my original post. You like to Argue Bible. You look for Fault in the Holy Scripture, So How do you think! Pray for the Holy Spirit to lead you brother, because You sure do not respond to scriptures like a man under the leading of Jesus' Spirit.
ME: Honestly sister, one who sees lacking is lacking in ones self. As it is written: as a man thinks so is he.....
Now, The reason why I asked the question ansd showed the text was to SHOW YOU THAT WHAT YOU STATED WAS NOT TRUE in light of the Ethiopian.:boxing:
What you started had nothing to do with with my original post. You like to Argue Bible. You look for Fault in the Holy Scripture, So How do you think! Pray for the Holy Spirit to lead you brother, because You sure do not respond to scriptures like a man under the leading of Jesus' Spirit.
ET POSTED: Angel, be obedient to God's counsel Proverb 26:4 Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you yourself will be just like him. 5 Answer a fool according to his folly, or he will be wise in his own eyes.
ME: Thanks, ET, for telling Angel to be obedient to this verse because I posted it earlier in hopes of the Lord being glorified by His unfailing faithfulness to His children and to always confirm his Word as truth at all times and and a given moment for his purpose. I will explain why I put it in my earlier statement in the following sentences. So please bear with me.
The scripture makes it very plain that the eunuch had come to Jerusalem to WORSHIP, which is an indication that he already knew about God and was a worshipper, he just had not received the Holy Spirit. This is why the Holy Spirit instructed Philip to go to him.
ME: Actually sister, whether the Ethiopian was a "God Fearer ( A Gentile believer who didn't become a proselyte but worshiped the God of the Jews in his own way.)" or a "Proselyte (A Gentile believer who completely adhered and joined the Jewish faith with the exception of being admitted into the Temple because Gentiles were still a lower class of believer compared to the Jew.)" NEVER ONCE WAS THE ISSUE as I have stated before. What was the point is exactly what i stated earlier and I will also CORRECT YOU BECAUSE YOU SAID THE SAME THING AS ANGEL. Here Let me show you where you did it as I highlight your words (with a few typo corrections).
ET Posted: Its NOT NECESSARY* WE KNOW about his conversion process, and God DID NOT TELL US when or how and where, or WHAT TOOK PLACE, because this is not the spiritual point of the passage BUT IT IS THE FOCUS AGREEMENT WITH WHAT YOU [Angel] have posted... BEING SUBMISSIVE* TO RECEIVE God's word of Truth BY FAITH TO BELIEVE, AND RESISTANCE to the truth BECAUSE OF DOUBT SEEKING ONES OWN WILL AND SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS instead of God's will and His righteousness... and WHEN A PERSON IS BROKEN they come TO SUBMISSION AND REPENTANCE and WILL PROVE THEMSELVES as servants of the Lord...AS WAS THE CASE WITH THE EUNUCH.
ME: Now, considering the fact that the TEXT DOES NOT SAY that the Eunuch was BROKEN, SUBMISSIVE, REPENTANT, AND HAD TO PROVE HIMSELF, if all he was told by Philip that in order for him to be saved he had to ONLY BELIEVE ON JESUS' GOSPEL IN ORDER TO BE SAVED AND NOTHING MORE? Did it ever occur to you that the whole second statement of Angel's was wrong? Obviously not because you are as wrong and deceived as she is in her teaching, sister.
But Here. I'll go you one better along with the explanation for WHY I put the Provers 26:4-5 there now, sister. I put it there to show you my whole method AND because the Lord has gifted me to teach His Word, (which is why I make sure that what ever I state has no error and is well informed and studied so that no one may be wrongly taught, or made to stumble because there is a greater condemnation and therefore more responsibility on my part.), admonish, encourage, rebuke, convince, and warn others within the faith such as you two women.
In your first post you stated this:
"This ALSO DEMONSTRATES that those called into ministry by God to be pastors and evengelists, and prophets and teachers as stated in Ephesian 4, must do as God has so ordained in the church, EQUIP THE SAINTS FOR THE WORKS OF THE MINISTRY, AND PREACH AND TEACH THE GOSPEL TO THE LOST."
I saw what you erroneously made in your first post regarding the Eunuch and knew that there was a case for correcting BOTH of YOU while also taking notice that you both have a rebellious, disrespectful, controlling, contentious, and condemning spirit of the Jezebel spoken of in the 1st and 2nd Kings of the Old Testament so I had to make sure that both would respond as you did. And the Great Lord above answered and confirmed my prayers about you two again by your responses to show for it.
So tell me, ET. HOW COULD EPHESIANS CHAPTER 4 ACTUALLY APPLY IN THE CASE OF THE ETHIOPIAN WHEN ALL HE DID WAS GET BAPTIZED AFTER HE BELIEVED UPON JESUS AND WAS NEVER SEEN AGAIN? How was he equipped by ANYONE as you have stated if Philip disappeared and you see nothing of the Ethiopian afterwards? How can you apply that Eph. 4:11 to that situation when it was ALL the WORK of the Holy Spirit to begin with be the renewing of the mind and the work of BELIEF (Jn 6:29) to the eunuch?
You see the error of your teachings, sister? No? Well how about this part also?
You advise Angel with: "Angel, What great counsel to heed - Proverb 26:4-5. Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you yourself will be just like him. Answer a fool according to his folly, and he will be wise in his own conceit.
In other words, God recommends silence as the best answer to a fool."
ME: And just HOW MUCH MORE WRONG CAN YO POSSIBLY BE ON THAT AS WELL?!
Look at the verses.
Prov. 26: 4 Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you yourself will be just like him.
This verse says that if someone states an error, fallacy, untruth, unlearned, or foolish thing, then do not respond or resort to do wing the same thing in return so that you do not become like him.
Prov. 26:5 Answer a fool according to his folly, and he will be wise in his own conceit.
This verse actually SAYS TO RESPOND, DISCUSS, OR EVEN ASK the person who said this thing ACCORDING TO THE ERROR he has stated so that HIS FOOLISHNESS CAN BE EXPOSED! How could you even come up with this WRONG interpretation that "God recommending to be silent as the best answer" when the very verse shows the opposite? Have you not read Proverbs 27:5 where it says that "open rebuke is better than hidden love"?
ET, one thing that i am starting to truly question about your comprehension of the very Word you are going to school to learn so that you in turn can teach as a pastor to others. Frankly, I'm afraid for you and whomever is put under your subjection because the Word strictly says that a woman should not teach and this occasion might be the evidence of why. I suggest you give yourself fully to the obedience of the Word of God, my sweet sister.
Sisters, I, as a fellow brother, and teacher of the Word, warn you both that your teachings are in error and that you both are being contentious and rebelling the very Word of God by even TEACHING when the Scriptures say otherwise (1 Cir 14: 34; 1 Tim 2:12) and taking an authority over a fellow brother. I suggest that you both repent and give yourselves over to prayer and to God for the cleaning of your souls as I will pray that the Lord will release you from this malignant spirit because I love you both.
Angelforlove Posted:
ME: Honestly sister, one who sees lacking is lacking in ones self. As it is written: as a man thinks so is he.....
Now, The reason why I asked the question ansd showed the text was to SHOW YOU THAT WHAT YOU STATED WAS NOT TRUE in light of the Ethiopian.
What you started had nothing to do with with my original post. You like to Argue Bible. You look for Fault in the Holy Scripture, So How do you think! Pray for the Holy Spirit to lead you brother, because You sure do not respond to scriptures like a man under the leading of Jesus' Spirit.
ME: Actually my dear sister. Let me remind you that you made this topic with a header of "Preach the Word ! 2 Timothy 4:2". So with you even having that verse as a header and then coming at me the way you did as I came to question you on something, your very first response was unbecoming as a woman of God and disrespecting the very verse you titled this topic after because you did the complete opposite of:
2Ti 4:2 preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching.
You showed no patience or teaching that was worthy of preaching in season or out of it. You simply, and most rudely responded with contention as you just proved again in this post. I see no error in the Holy Scriptures, my dear. But I do see error in your your words and responses to your fellow brethren that dictate the true intentions of your heart and spirit, Angel. And the Lord is not pleased.
As for me, I do not "respond to the Scriptures, dear sister. I ADHERE TO THEM AS YOU SHOULD BE DOING AS A WOMEN WHO IS BEING LED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT.
I will pray for you, sister. I will pray for your cleansing and awakening of both your souls.
Agapeton what part of these passages and the different Bible translation DO YOU NOT COMPREHEND?... you posted Proverbs 26:4-5, in your attempt to correct me and Angel, and this is the focus.
Prov. 26:5 Answer a fool according to his folly, and he will be wise in his own conceit.
Agapeton said:This verse actually SAYS TO RESPOND, DISCUSS, OR EVEN ASK the person who said this thing ACCORDING TO THE ERROR he has stated so that HIS FOOLISHNESS CAN BE EXPOSED! How could you even come up with this WRONG interpretation that "God recommending to be silent as the best answer" when the very verse shows the opposite? Have you not read Proverbs 27:5 where it says that "open rebuke is better than hidden love"?
NIV) God says: Proverbs 26:4. DO NOT answer a fool according to his folly, or you yourself will be just like him.
5. Answer a fool according to his folly, or he will be wise in his own eyes.
KJV) Proverbs 26:4 DO NOT answer a fool according to his folly, Lest you also be like him. 5 Answer a fool according to his folly, Lest he be wise in his own eyes.
NLV) PROVERBS 26:4 DO NOT answer a fool by his foolish ways, or you will be like him. 5 Answer a fool in the way he has earned by his foolish acts, so he will not be wise in his own eyes.
ESV) Proverbs 26:4 Answer NOT a fool according to his folly, lest you be like him yourself. 5. Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own eyes.
Common English BIble Proverbs26:4 DON'T answer fools according to their folly, or you will become like them yourself.
5 Answer fools according to their folly, or they will deem themselves wise.
Easy to Read Bible (ERB) Proverbs 26:4-5 There is no good way to answer fools when they say something stupid. If you answer them, then you, too, will look like a fool. If you don�t answer them, they will think they are smart.
Matthew Henry Commentary on Proverb 26: 4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him. 5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.
See here the noble security of the scripture-style, which seems to contradict itself, but really does not. Wise men have need to be directed how to deal with fools; and they have never more need of wisdom than in dealing with such, to know when to keep silence and when to speak, for there may be a time for both.
1. In some cases a wise man will not set his wit to that of a fool so far as to answer him according to his folly "If he boast of himself, do not answer him by boasting of thyself. If he rail and talk passionately, do not thou rail and talk passionately too. If he tell one great lie, do not thou tell another to match it. If he calumniate thy friends, do not thou calumniate his. If he banter, do not answer him in his own language, lest thou be like him, even thou, who knowest better things, who hast more sense, and hast been better taught."
2. Yet, in other cases, a wise man will use his wisdom for the conviction of a fool, when, by taking notice of what he says, there may be hopes of doing good, or at least preventing further, mischief, either to himself or others. "If thou have reason to think that thy silence will be deemed an evidence of the weakness of thy cause, or of thy own weakness, in such a case answer him, and let it be an answer ad hominem--to the man, beat him at his own weapons, and that will be an answer ad rem--to the point, or as good as one.
If he offer any thing that looks like an argument, an answer that, and suit thy answer to his case. If he think, because thou dost not answer him, that what he says is unanswerable, then give him an answer, lest he be wise in his own conceit and boast of a victory." For (Luke 7:35) Wisdom's children must justify her.
Agapeton reads the contentious women's posts, says a silent prayer for them in intercesery fashion and re-posts this again:
ME: And just HOW MUCH MORE WRONG CAN YO POSSIBLY BE ON THAT AS WELL?!
Look at the verses.
Prov. 26: 4 Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you yourself will be just like him.
This verse says that if someone states an error, fallacy, untruth, unlearned, or foolish thing, then DO NOT RESPOND or resort to do the same thing in return so that you do not become like him.
Prov. 26:5 ANSWER A FOOL according to his folly, and he will be wise in his own conceit.
This verse actually SAYS TO RESPOND, DISCUSS, OR EVEN ASK the person who said this thing ACCORDING TO THE ERROR he has stated so that HIS FOOLISHNESS CAN BE EXPOSED! How could you even come up with this WRONG interpretation that "God recommending to be silent as the best answer" when the very verse shows the opposite? Have you not read Proverbs 27:5 where it says that "open rebuke is better than hidden love"?
ET, one thing that i am starting to truly question about your comprehension of the very Word you are going to school to learn so that you in turn can teach as a pastor to others. Frankly, I'm afraid for you and whomever is put under your subjection because the Word strictly says that a woman should not teach and this occasion might be the evidence of why. I suggest you give yourself fully to the obedience of the Word of God, my sweet sister.
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The Jezebel Spirit is strong with you two women but the Lord Jesus Christ is STRONGER.
Matthew Henry Commentary on Proverb 26: 4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him. 5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.
See here the noble security of the scripture-style, which seems to contradict itself, but really does not. Wise men have need to be directed how to deal with fools; and they have never more need of wisdom than in dealing with such, to know when to keep silence and when to speak, for there may be a time for both.
1. In some cases a wise man will not set his wit to that of a fool so far as to answer him according to his folly "If he boast of himself, do not answer him by boasting of thyself. If he rail and talk passionately, do not thou rail and talk passionately too. If he tell one great lie, do not thou tell another to match it. If he calumniate thy friends, do not thou calumniate his. If he banter, do not answer him in his own language, lest thou be like him, even thou, who knowest better things, who hast more sense, and hast been better taught."
2. Yet, in other cases, a wise man will use his wisdom for the conviction of a fool, when, by taking notice of what he says, there may be hopes of doing good, or at least preventing further, mischief, either to himself or others. "If thou have reason to think that thy silence will be deemed an evidence of the weakness of thy cause, or of thy own weakness, in such a case answer him, AND LET IT BE AN ANSWER ad hominem--to the man, BEAT HIM AT HIS OWN WEAPONS, AND THAT WILL BE AN ANSWER ad rem--to the point, or as good as one.
If he offer any thing that looks like an argument, an answer that, and suit thy answer to his case. If he think, because thou dost not answer him, that what he says is unanswerable, then give him an answer, lest he be wise in his own conceit and boast of a victory." For (Luke 7:35) Wisdom's children must justify her.
ME: Again, I am SERIOUSLY STARTING TO QUESTION YOUR SPIRITUAL AWARENESS OF THE WORD AND STRONGLY WARN YOU THAT WOMEN SHOULD NOT TEACH, sister.
1Tim. 2:11 Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness.
1Tim 2:12 I DO NOT PERMIT A WOMAN TO TEACH or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet.
