Author	Thread: God's Love to those he chose.
dljrn04 View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 28 Feb, 2012 10:41 AM Romans 9:1 I tell the truth in Christ, I am not lying, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Spirit, 2 that I have great sorrow and continual grief in my heart. 3 For I could wish that I myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my countrymen according to the flesh, 4 who are Israelites, to whom pertain the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the service of God, and the promises; 5 of whom are the fathers and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God. Amen. 6 But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, 7 nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, "In Isaac your seed shall be called." 8 That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed. 9 For this is the word of promise: "At this time I will come and Sarah shall have a son." 10 And not only this, but when Rebecca also had conceived by one man, even by our father Isaac 11 (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls), 12 it was said to her, "The older shall serve the younger." 13 As it is written, "Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated." 14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not! 15 For He says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion." 16 So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, "For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth." 18 Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens. 19 You will say to me then, "Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?" 20 But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, "Why have you made me like this?" 21 Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor? 22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory, 24 even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles? 25 As He says also in Hosea: "I will call them My people, who were not My people, And her beloved, who was not beloved." 26 "And it shall come to pass in the place where it was said to them, 'You are not My people,' There they shall be called sons of the living God." 27 Isaiah also cries out concerning Israel: "Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, The remnant will be saved. 28 For He will finish the work and cut it short in righteousness, Because the Lord will make a short work upon the earth." 29 And as Isaiah said before: "Unless the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, We would have become like Sodom, And we would have been made like Gomorrah." 30 What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness of faith; 31 but Israel, pursuing the law of righteousness, has not attained to the law of righteousness. 32 Why? Because they did not seek it by faith, but as it were, by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumbling stone. 33 As it is written: "Behold, I lay in Zion a stumbling stone and rock of offense, And whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame." Praise God for his sovereign grace. Post Reply
View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 28 Feb, 2012 01:47 PM I believe that's what my point was. I quote the bible where it spoke to the issue of who Christ died for. I asked if you could provide some clarity on the issue by giving a verse or two showing Christ died for everyone. Then you responded by saying that we must agree with the word. Does that mean you agree with me since I quote the word? Post Reply
View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 28 Feb, 2012 01:49 PM 14 I am the good shepherd. I know my own and my own know me, 15 just as the Father knows me and I know the Father; and I lay down my life for the sheep. John 10:14-15 And yes, the word is our source... Post Reply
dljrn04 View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 28 Feb, 2012 01:53 PM Amen holding out hope. Welcome to the forum. Post Reply
View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 28 Feb, 2012 02:00 PM That scripture has nothing to do with the will of God for the lost. But the Good part is that scripture does reveal exactly what I said. At the time that statement was made how many sheep did Jesus have. Post Reply
View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 28 Feb, 2012 02:11 PM Would you not say that a verse showing who Jesus died for is speaking about God's will for the lost? Here is more clarification. Your belief is that Jesus desires all to be saved, so it would follow that He should pray for all correct? Why then does He not? 9 I am praying for them. I am not praying for the world but for those whom you have given me, for they are yours. John 17:9 I don't know how many sheep he had at the time, but it's not relevant. This is why. 16 And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to my voice. So there will be one flock, one shepherd. John 10:16 Jesus died for the current sheep and the sheep that He would bring in to the fold. Post Reply
View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 28 Feb, 2012 02:26 PM 28 even as the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve, and "to give his life as a ransom for many" . Matthew 20:28 28 for this is my blood of the[c] covenant, "which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins". Matthew 26:28 28 so Christ, having been" offered once to bear the sins of many", will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him. Hebrews 9:28 13 Greater love has no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends. John 15:13... Who are his friends?... 14 You are my friends if you do what I command you. John 15:14...and we keep reading...16" You did not choose me, but I chose you" and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name, he may give it to you. John 15:16 Post Reply
View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 28 Feb, 2012 02:37 PM And now to your point about scripture teaching exactly what you said. I've asked a couple of times if you could clarify the teaching for me by giving a couple verses. Post Reply
Manscottell View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 28 Feb, 2012 02:45 PM Jesus died for all our sins but whoever believes in that sacrifice and confess Him as his Lord and Savior is saved. Saved by grace through faith. Post Reply
View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 28 Feb, 2012 04:07 PM Jesus died for the current sheep and the sheep that He would bring in to the fold. *** Yes !!! And that �fold� will be the ones that �hear� the Gospel Preached by His Disciples�and those after�on going�and on going and on going�:yay: Mat 24:14, 28:20, Mark 16:16,... Rom 10:18~ But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world. Praise the Almighty GOD for His word does not return void !!!:bouncy:...:peace:...xo Post Reply
dljrn04 View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 28 Feb, 2012 05:38 PM so pj did God lie when he said Matthew 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen. Acts 17:29-31 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device. (30) And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: (31) Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead. Matthew 23:37-39 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! (38) Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. (39) For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord. John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. Romans 8:28-30 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. (29) For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. (30) Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. John 1:12-13 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: (13) Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. John 3:1-8 1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews: (2) The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him. (3) Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. (4) Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? (5) Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. (6) That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. (7) Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. (8) The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. Ephesians 2:8-10 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: (9) Not of works, lest any man should boast. (10) For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. Post Reply

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