Author	Thread: Mutual Submission(Husbands and Wives)
Admin	Mutual Submission(Husbands and Wives) Posted : 7 Mar, 2012 09:18 AM I understand this will be a touchy subject for some. I do not believe that the scriptures teach mutual submission in marriage. I feel that often times Eph. 5:21 is interpreted wrongly in order to be "fair" and people completely miss the point of the verse. I'm providing a short video on the subject as well as part of an article to show why I believe this to be the case. Why do I believe this to be an issue? Well for one we should always attempt to be accurate in our interpretation in scripture. Two, I believe a wrong interpretation of mutual submission can cause issues on marriage. I believe it opens the door to a woman saying she will not submit to the headship of her husband because the bible claims he has to submit to and until he submits, she will not submit. I've heard of women who believe that. Then it becomes a power struggle in the home. The problem is, submission is a command from God, not of the husband. Anyway, on to the video and article... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYVRWEm3tug "One of the principal arguments of Egalitarians is that whatever submission exists in a marriage relationship is to be mutual, not only wives to husbands but also, and equally, husbands to wives. This interpretation is based on a certain reading of Ephesians 5:20ff. �giving thanks always and for everything to God the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, 21 submitting to one another out of reverence for Christ. 22 Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit in everything to their husbands.� There are several reasons why I find this interpretation inadequate. 1. The context of Eph. 5 specifies the kind of submission Paul had in mind: wives to husbands (5:22-23), children to their parents (6:1-3), bondservants to their masters (6:5-8). These relationships are never reversed. Ephesians 5:24 makes clear that the kind of submission wives are to exercise is like the submission of the church to Christ. The latter is not mutual submission. The church is submissive to Christ�s authority in a way that Christ cannot and never will be submissive to us. 2. We should also be aware of the absence of any command that husbands be submissive to their wives. While wives are often told to submit to their husbands (Eph. 5:22-24; Col. 3:18; Titus 2:5; 1 Pt. 3:1-6), the situation is never reversed. If mutual submission were so essential to Paul�s or Peter�s or John�s view of the marital relationship, it is stunning that neither they nor any other biblical author explicitly or directly instructs husbands to submit to their wives 3. The word �submit� or �be subject to� (hypotasso) is always used for submission to an authority. e.g., Luke 2:51; 10:17; Rom. 13:1,5; 1 Cor. 15:27-28; 1 Pt. 3:22; 5:5; Eph. 5:24; Titus 2:9; 1 Pt. 2:18; Heb. 12:9; James 4:7. The submission is always one-directional. 4. No one has produced an example in ancient Greek literature where hypotasso (�submit�) is applied to a relationship between persons and it does not bear the sense of �be subject / submissive to� an authority. 5. The word translated �one another� (allelous) in Eph. 5:21 need not mean �everyone to everyone� but often means �some to others�. See, e.g., Rev. 6:4; Gal. 6:2; 1 Cor. 11:33; Matt. 24:10; Luke 2:15; 12:1; 24:32). In this case it would be wives to husbands, as Eph. 5:22 makes explicitly clear. 6. In other texts where wives are exhorted to be submissive to their husbands, nothing is said about submitting to one another. See Col. 3:18; Titus 2:5; 1 Peter 3:1. 7. Even if Paul meant complete reciprocity (wives to husbands and husbands to wives), this doesn�t mean husbands and wives submit to each other in the same way. Their �mutual submission� would be expressed in ways consistent with their distinctive roles and without compromising the headship of the husband. After reading this material I encourage both men and women, but especially the men, to go back to lessons three and four on headship and submission and carefully read them once again. It is all too easy, given our depraved proclivity for self-aggrandizement, to use the truths in the current lesson as a way of rationalizing a dictatorial and unkind and insensitive way of relating to our wives." http://www.enjoyinggodministries.com/article/men-and-women-in-ministry-does-ephesians-5-teach-mutual-submission/ Post Reply
View Profile History	Mutual Submission(Husbands and Wives) Posted : 7 Mar, 2012 12:12 PM I had hoped this thread wouldn't come off wrong to the women here. I'm glad you can see the intent :glow: Post Reply
View Profile History	Mutual Submission(Husbands and Wives) Posted : 7 Mar, 2012 01:15 PM The Epistle of Paul to the Ephesians Since some of the oldest manuscripts of the letter do not contain the words �in Ephesus� many scholars regard it as a circular letter intended for all the churches in and around Ephesus. Writing from prison, Paul addressed a serious problem afflicting the Christians in the province of Asia: conflict between Jewish and Gentile Christians. This tension was threatening to �split� Christians into two groups and thus to �destroy� the unity of the church. Paul insisted that it was God�s purpose from eternity that the gospel be preached to Gentiles (1:10; 3:8,9). That eternal purpose had now been disclosed in Christ, so that Gentiles once foreigners to God�s covenants, were made �fellow� citizens with God�s people (2:12,19). Because it was God who has drawn those (two) groups together in Christ, Christians should make every effort to maintain the �unity� of the church which is �one body� in Christ (4:3,4). Christians must live in this �peace� and �mutual� respect, not only in the church, but in private and family life as well. Outline: 1.Salutation 1:1-2 2.Christ the Head of the church 1:3-23 3.The church-the body of Christ 2:1-3:21 4.Conduct of the believer 4:1-6:9 5.The Christians �warfare� 6:10-20 6.Conclusion 6:21-24 KJV ~ 1994 Zondervan *** Eph 4:1-6:9 is addressing the �Conduct of the Believer��as long as a �wife� is �conducting� her self �under� the �leadership� of her husband �under� the �Leadership� of GOD�she will do well�As long as a husband is �conducting� him self �under� the �Leadership� of God�he will do well�Both �submitting� to GOD�they �both� will do well�xo Post Reply
View Profile History	Mutual Submission(Husbands and Wives) Posted : 8 Mar, 2012 07:50 AM This was met with better reception than I thought it would :glow: Minus someone trying to make it about Calvinism, I think most have understood. :applause: Post Reply
View Profile History	Mutual Submission(Husbands and Wives) Posted : 8 Mar, 2012 09:59 AM Guys, that was funny (holding and pj). Lol. Interesting topic HOH. Any man/woman who have READ the word of God would know 'submission ought to be a voluntary giving and without complain or argument'. I think its that simple:) Post Reply
View Profile History	Mutual Submission(Husbands and Wives) Posted : 8 Mar, 2012 11:39 AM They see as they spoke the mutual submission. You will first have to accept what the word submission is. Post Reply
View Profile History	Mutual Submission(Husbands and Wives) Posted : 8 Mar, 2012 11:44 AM :ROFL: You talk just to talk sometimes it seems. The women have spoken in this thread. You're outnumbered :glow: Post Reply
View Profile History	Mutual Submission(Husbands and Wives) Posted : 8 Mar, 2012 12:45 PM Your saying white is black has no impact upon the truth. Truth stands on it's own, you can come into the light it is your choice. Post Reply

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