When we read the Scriptures we must remember that a translation is just that a TRANSLATION of the original language.
The original languages of the WORD are Hebrew,Aramaic,
Chaldee and Greek.
With this in mind is the following Scripture talking about the PRETRIBULATION rapture of the believers.
I personally do not believe so.
I hope we could discuss the without the tearing others apart.
Shalom
Rev 3:7 And to the angel of the assembly in Philadelphia, write: These things says the Holy One, the True One, the One having "the key of David," "the One opening, and no one shuts; and shuts, and no one opens:" Isa. 22:22
Rev 3:8 I know your works. Behold, I have given a door being opened before you, and no one is able to shut it, for you have a little power and have kept My Word, and have not denied My name.
Rev 3:9 Behold, I give out of the synagogue of Satan those saying themselves to be Jews, and they are not, but they lie. Behold, I will make them come and bow down before your feet, and they shall know that I loved you.
Rev 3:10 Because you kept the Word of My patience, I also will keep you out of the hour of trial which is going to come on all the habitable world in order to try those dwelling on the earth.
Rev 3:11 Behold, I am coming quickly. Hold what you have that no one take your crown.
Rev 3:12 The one overcoming, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall not go out any more. And I will write the name of My God on him, and the name of the city of My God, the new Jerusalem which comes down out of Heaven from My God, and My new name.
Rev 3:13 The one who has an ear, hear what the Spirit says to the assemblies.
Brother Agape already stated the word "rapture" does not appear in the word, it was made up.
There is a "catching away" stated in Thessalonians once Yeshua comes back at the end, but the antichrist comes first. If your referring to the scripture where one will be taken and one will be left, that is subject to a different interpretation as well. Why would G-d remove all the believers out of the world at a time of tribulation when we are called to be the "salt and light of the earth" we are His witnesses! Do you think he loves you anymore than the unbeliever? Check out the lives of the apostles, all the trials and persecutions they went through, but G-d is with them and delivers them, so that they can witness of His salvation, healing and deliverance.
"I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil." John 17:15
"And they overcame him because of the blood of the Lamb and because of the word of their testimony, and they did not love their life even when faced with death. Rev 12:11
What does have to do with what is very clear in The word of God.
The truth is available to any who want to walk with the lord.
There is grave concern for those who readily reject this fact.
The fact the word Rapture is not in the word of God has nothing to do with the teaching.
Do you suppose the term grandfather is not valid, it is not in the word of God.
The fact is this those that are not looking for his coming are danger.
The Rapture,Yes or no !
Posted : 9 Mar, 2012 06:42 AM
Brother Agape already stated the word "rapture" does not appear in the word, it was made up.
There is a "catching away" stated in Thessalonians once Yeshua comes back at the end, but the antichrist comes first. If your referring to the scripture where one will be taken and one will be left, that is subject to a different interpretation as well. Why would G-d remove all the believers out of the world at a time of tribulation when we are called to be the "salt and light of the earth" we are His witnesses! Do you think he loves you anymore than the unbeliever? Check out the lives of the apostles, all the trials and persecutions they went through, but G-d is with them and delivers them, so that they can witness of His salvation, healing and deliverance.
"I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil." John 17:15
"And they overcame him because of the blood of the Lamb and because of the word of their testimony, and they did not love their life even when faced with death. Rev 12:11
I guess the jury is still out on that one, but personally, I do not believe we will go through G-d's wrath. I do believe we will go through man's wrath when antichrist is here with persecution of believers. I believe the verse which you quoted above POC is G-d's promise that he will keep us from the hour of temptation, meaning that he will protect those who are truly His.
Me
Please someone bring this lady some pizza and chinese food.
You have answered this post correctly.
The word 'KEEP' in Greek is 'tereo',which means to watch over,guard.
Dont need to ask my self why people are deceived about all kinds of stuff...already know its satan...wernt we discussing the Scriptures listed by POC/George refering to Rapture...Yes or No...that is the Topic and Question...I will have to return in a couple of days to follow up Georges request to expound on it as I must be going now...that is...if it hasnt rolled off to the umptenth page by monday...:laugh:...Yall hava Blessed weekend...xo
I see that sister Shalom is paying attention here.
Here is one question for the "Pre-trib' or "Post-trib" theorists (after I post the 1 Thess. 4:15-17 verses).
1Th 4:15 For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.
1Th 4:17 Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up TOGETHER WITH THEM IN THE CLOUDS to meet the Lord IN THE AIR, and SO WE WILL ALWAYS BE WITH THE LORD.
How can this Rapture happen before the great tribulation if 1 Thess. 4:17 says that ALL the believers will MEET THE LORD IN THE AIR AND BE THERE WITH HIM LIKE THAT ALWAYS?
Now, the same question stands for the Rapture happening AFTER this great tribulation also.
How can anyone reconcile this?
And this is just an easy question.
Just wait until I ask about HOW the 144k can come to be convicted of sin when the Holy Spirit is not upon the earth....
Nice, expounding on how our Father "keeps" us, using the different interpretation, POC.
Agape, really it's not such an easy question, cause I really don't know bro. It really doesn't matter, cause when you belong to the "Master" he sustains and maintains us despite adversity, cause he loves us. Praise ADONAI from the rising of the sun, to the end of everyday, Praise ADONAI.
And PJ, if ya still think there's a rapture, well keep looking up buddy. :rolleyes:
The word 'RAPTURE' in the Greek is the word harpazo
English-'RAPTURE
Greek-harpaz�
harpaz�: to seize, catch up, snatch away
Original Word: ἁρπάζω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: harpaz�
Phonetic Spelling: (har-pad'-zo)
Short Definition: I seize, snatch, obtain by robbery
Definition: I seize, snatch, obtain by robbery.
726 harp�zō � properly, seize by force; snatch up, suddenly and decisively � like someone seizing bounty (spoil, a prize); to take by an open display of force (i.e. not covertly or secretly).
Philip was 'HARPAZO',yet Philip NEVER left this life,or this planet.
Act_8:39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.
Act_8:40 But Philip was found at Azotus: and passing through he preached in all the cities, till he came to Caesarea.
The Greek word for Rapture is used by Yeshua concerning His sheep,and His relationship with the Father.
PLUCK in this Scripture is 'HARPAZO'
Joh 10:27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.
Joh 10:28 And I give eternal life to them, and they shall not perish to the age, never! And not anyone shall pluck them out of My hand.
Joh 10:29 My Father who has given them to Me is greater than all, and no one is able to pluck out of My Father's hand.
Joh 10:30 I and the Father are One!
I believe the people have had the wool pulled over their eyes very tightly, and are being led down a path of deception
George that answer is an example of Deception, for anyone that thinks walking with the lord does not require obedience has been grossly deceived.
Jas 1:25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
You can argue it all you want but to be a doer of the word it requires obedience.
Any one that thinks they walk in the light as he is in the light by their mind is in error.
