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Admin	the atoning sacrifice Posted : 22 Apr, 2012 03:07 PM 1. God purposed to redeem a certain people and not others 1Ch 17:20-21 O LORD, there is none like thee, neither is there any God beside thee, according to all that we have heard with our ears. And what one nation in the earth is like thy people Israel, whom God went to redeem to be his own people, to make thee a name of greatness and terribleness, by driving out nations from before thy people, whom thou hast redeemed out of Egypt? Mat 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen. 1Pe 2:8-9 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed. But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: [see �God elects individuals to salvation�/God elects individuals to condemnation�] A) It is for these in particular that Christ gave his life Is 53:10-11 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. Mat 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. Joh 6:35-40 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst. But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not. All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. Joh 10:3-4 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out. And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice....Joh 10:11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep....Joh 10:14-15 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. Act 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. Eph 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; [we are commanded to love our wives in the same way that Christ loved the church and gave himself for it; therefore, if Christ loved and gave himself for all people in the same way, we are commanded to love all women in the same way that we love our wives] Heb 2:17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. Heb 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance. B) It is for these in particular that Christ intercedes Joh 17:1-2 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. Joh 17:6-12 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word. Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee. For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me. I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine. And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them. And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are. While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled. Joh 17:20-21 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. ( You wish to say that Jesus died for everyone, but the above verses say that Jesus did even PRAY for them, but that he prayed only for those that would believe in Him. You really think Jesus died for people He would not even pray for????) Joh 17:24-26 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world. O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me. And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them. Rom 8:34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. C) The people for whom Christ intercedes are the same as the people for whom he offered himself up as a sacrifice Heb 7:24-27 But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood. Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them. For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens; Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself. Heb 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us. [note context, in which entering into the holy place is explicitly for the purpose of intercession] Heb 9:24-28 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us: Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others; For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation. Post Reply
View Profile History	the atoning sacrifice Posted : 23 Apr, 2012 03:44 AM View Profile History the atoning sacrifice Posted : 22 Apr, 2012 09:39 PM Can you show me how dead works is relevant to the OP? And Silence Excellent post Steve, I pray God would open the eyes of the dead ones here. There is your examples of calling life death. When anyone gives their ear to another doctrine by their own will they say man does not have it always producing death. You will find the principle in the parable of the sower. One that is in fellowship with the lord Jesus can not walk in reformation theology, the mind will deceive you every time. Post Reply
View Profile History	the atoning sacrifice Posted : 23 Apr, 2012 04:16 AM So you can't show me where? Post Reply
View Profile History	the atoning sacrifice Posted : 23 Apr, 2012 04:19 AM Anyone that is born again can see, no man can make any one see, go to the word of God all the answer's are there. Post Reply
View Profile History	the atoning sacrifice Posted : 23 Apr, 2012 05:51 AM Actually the question was put to you...to show me where the OP promoted dead works. You have failed to show this. Once again you are posting on irrelevant topics and seemingly not comprehending any posts but your own...if even them Post Reply
View Profile History	the atoning sacrifice Posted : 23 Apr, 2012 06:36 AM Once your opinion, a word centered person would act as you do continually, acknowledge the lord and allow him to direct you and influence your tongue believers are not to contend with those that continually contend with the gospel such as Calvinism. Post Reply
NRSV1953 View Profile History	the atoning sacrifice Posted : 23 Apr, 2012 06:48 AM Could someone help me out here? I read all these posts, and the arguments that ensue, and I still cannot quite grasp what the issue is between y'all. It would be quite helpful for those of us who follow this forum if we could get some clarity. Thanks! Post Reply
View Profile History	the atoning sacrifice Posted : 23 Apr, 2012 07:37 AM The OP posted concerning the atoning work of Christ. PJ as always began spewing something completely irrelevant to the topic simply because he hates/doesn't understand reformation theology. He does it in every thread though actually. It's hard to tell if he is trolling or if he is sincere. It's rather sad either way. If he is sincere, he fails to grasp even simple concepts like me asking him to back up his claim that the OP was speaking of dead works. As we can see, he still has yet to do this. Instead he posts random thoughts that don't make sense. Post Reply
View Profile History	the atoning sacrifice Posted : 23 Apr, 2012 07:40 AM "Once your opinion, a word centered person would act as you do continually, acknowledge the lord and allow him to direct you and influence your tongue believers are not to contend with those that continually contend with the gospel such as Calvinism. " No punctuation and no coherency = nobody knows what you are saying...and it's like this almost every time you post. We get that you don't like Calvinism. Can you show me where the OP was promoting dead works? Post Reply
NRSV1953 View Profile History	the atoning sacrifice Posted : 23 Apr, 2012 07:55 AM OK, so part of the crux of the matter is that PhillipJohn doesn't believe that Reformation Theology is valid while others do? My intent here is to merely understand the argument, not to enter into it as I am not qualified to do any more than question and pray. Once I understand the disagreement, I may be able to formulate more intelligent questions on this subject. Thank so much for responding! Post Reply
View Profile History	the atoning sacrifice Posted : 23 Apr, 2012 07:59 AM It's less that he doesn't believe it...and more that his criticisms are so off base. He simply tells us that those who have the truth agree with him. He is never able to formulate an argument as to why he is right. He simply just goes around telling others they are wrong. He tells people they promote dead works and then when asked to show how that is so, he simply acts like we are foolish for not seeing it...instead of showing why it is so. And you're welcome :) Post Reply

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