Perhaps God is using the Difference in our Beliefs as a Contrast to Bring More Glory to Himself!
Romans 9, is not just about Election, it is also about the contrast of those that He shows mercy on, against the vessels of dishonor.
Rom 9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
Rom 9:22 What if God, willing to shew [his] wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
Rom 9:23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
As our sanctification becomes more complete, we become more Christlike, Christ the perfect man, fully glorified God.
The more that God restores His fallen and twisted creation to their original intended Un-fallen state, the more that God is Glorified.
99.9999999999999999 of all of creation, is pitch black, deep space is completely without sunlight.
Jesus, on the Mount of Transfiguration was Clothed in Light. God, is Light and in Him is No Darkness, also Clothes Himself in Light.
God is using the darkness to show the brightness of His Glory. The more that we and His whole Kosmos/Cosmos is restored or sanctified, the more like its original intended created purpose shines bright.
God's original intended Purposes Never Changes:
Eph 3:11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:
When we get saved, as we go through Sanctification , the more we are restored to our original Un-fallen original intended purpose.
When we lead someone to Christ and disciple them, the more they shine like the bright stars in the firmament, and the more God is glorified.
Mat 13:43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
Dan 12:3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.
>Why do you say that when the scripture I shared is in glory to the Father and a positive to proclaim His Gospel of Repentance ???<
I agree with the verses you posted. I just don't agree with your interpretation.
>I never said the Scripture says (all) will be "saved"...You are adding to my words purely for arguements sake and are incorrect in doing so...<
Please show me where I said you claimed "all will be saved"...
>The �us� you refer to is G2248 ~ hemas ~ pronoun ~ Accusative case plural of ~ G1473 ~ ego ~ pronoun ~ I, me, my ~ A primary pronoun of the first person I (only expressed when emphatic)
"all" ~ pas ~ adjective ~ Including all the forms of declension ~
1) individually ~ each, every, any, all, the whole, everyone, all things, everything
2) collectively ~ some of all types
*** us and all to Repentance...there is no word "chosen" in this verse...in or out of "context"...xo<
I fail to see how taking a couple of words out of the verse and can show the full meaning in context.
This may be of some help to you if you are actually open...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=or-IZnnm5rw
If you are having trouble finding what you were referring to when you claimed I twisted your words and did so for argument's sake, here is what I said..."This verse does not say what most will claim it says. It never says God desires all people everywhere to be saved."...Now either you intentionally twisted my words for argument's sake or you were mistaken. You choose :)
Ha Ha Ha...just re-reading the topic...Calvinism vs. Arminianism:...my reply here now..."Just for arguments sake"...ha ha ha...I'm not converting to Calvinism...sorry...no i'm not...:winksmile:...thanxs for the link I'm always open...oh...and ya...you never said I said that...it was in referance to "some" believe that...got it...be blessed...xo
And as to your claim that there is no "chosen" in the context...maybe you need to go back to the start of 2 Peter...
3 His divine power has granted to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of him WHO CALLED US TO HIS OWN GLORY AND EXCELLENCE, 4 BY WHICH(meaning by this calling...) HE HAS GRANTED TO US HIS PRECIOUS AND VERY GREAT PROMISES, SO THAT(show that is showing the purpose for which He called) THROUGH THEM YOU MAY BECOME PARTAKERS OF THE DIVINE NATURE, HAVING ESCAPED FROM THE CORRUPTION THAT IS IN THE WORLD BECAUSE OF SINFUL DESIRE.(the outcome of the calling is your salvation) 5 For this very reason, make every effort to supplement your faith with virtue, and virtue with knowledge, 6 and knowledge with self-control, and self-control with steadfastness, and steadfastness with godliness, 7 and godliness with brotherly affection, and brotherly affection with love. 8 For if these qualities are yours and are increasing, they keep you from being ineffective or unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 For whoever lacks these qualities is so nearsighted that he is blind, having forgotten that he was cleansed from his former sins. 10 Therefore, brothers, be all the more diligent to confirm your CALLING AND ELECTION, for if you practice these qualities you will never fall. 2 Peter 1:3-10
"I'm not converting to Calvinism...sorry...no i'm not"
That's not my goal. My goal is to be truthful with the scriptures...and if that means exposing your errors, then that's just what it means.
You say this..."thanxs for the link I'm always open"...right after saying this..."I'm not converting to Calvinism...sorry...no i'm not"...haha yes soooooo open. BTW, I don't go around promoting "Calvinism"...I simply believe the scriptures teach election and so I defend that....so whether you are willing to convert to Calvinism or not, is irrelevant...The issue is whether we are truthful to the scriptures.
No it was not. It was in reference to some believing that God desires all to be saved. It was not in reference to some believing all WILL be saved. You are included in the some that believes God desires all to be saved so...YES the quote was directed at you and was not a twisting of your words...nor was it simply done for argument's sake.
8 � But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
9 � The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us�ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
If one is blind to this truth, it is because as Jesus said they have hardened their heart and they will to not see and they will to not hear.
Btw the way again you proved yourself in denial of scripture as you continually justify you have beyond the wisdom of God some special ability to interpret the word of God. This word is the same pattern man has used since the beginning of sin to exalt themself above the knowledge of God and refusing to hear and see the word of God as it is written.
I'm not converting to Calvinism...sorry...no i'm not"
That's not my goal. My goal is to be truthful with the scriptures...and if that means exposing your errors, then that's just what it means.
You say this..."thanxs for the link I'm always open"...right after saying this..."I'm not converting to Calvinism...sorry...no i'm not"...haha yes soooooo open. BTW, I don't go around promoting "Calvinism"...I simply believe the scriptures teach election and so I defend that....so whether you are willing to convert to Calvinism or not, is irrelevant...The issue is whether we are truthful to the scriptures.
it was in referance to "some" believe that"
No it was not. It was in reference to some believing that God desires all to be saved. It was not in reference to some believing all WILL be saved. You are included in the some that believes God desires all to be saved so...YES the quote was directed at you and was not a twisting of your words...nor was it simply done for argument's sake.
Yes it was and it is every time, always in denial of scripture that expose's the lie of reformation theology.
"Btw the way again you proved yourself in denial of scripture as you continually justify you have beyond the wisdom of God some special ability to interpret the word of God."
Here we go again...You continue to make claims that you cannot defend. Show me one time I claimed to have "beyond the wisdom of God". How ironic is it that you are speaking of one's special ability to interpret the word?
"refusing to hear and see the word of God as it is written."
Fancy talk for someone who has yet to refute any of my points in the thread.
"Yes it was and it is every time, always in denial of scripture that expose's the lie of reformation theology."
Yes what is? You quoted several sentences of min. You say I'm in denial of scripture that exposes reformation theology. However, never once have you shown how this is true.
There is no need to refute Calvinism Jesus did it with his word and you prove that with every response, trying to point the finger to elevate yourself.
That is why the lord said to not contend with those that contend with you.
It never changes the word of God is not true, unless you can alter it to your theology.
