Author	Thread: Jn 3:15 Who is The Whosoever:
Admin	Jn 3:15 Who is The Whosoever: Posted : 15 Jun, 2012 02:05 PM Then how does the Whosoever receive The promise Jn 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. Whosoever is as from the beginning of the revelation of man in the garden, and that revelation has never changed. Whosoever is defined or revealed as from the original text as: all, every, whole, always all,every ,every one,whole one, it makes very clear no exceptions. believeth: to believe, put one's faith in, trust, with the implications on that trust may follow. him: speaking of Jesus The promise is to not perish and receive eternal life. To any and all that will act as thought and say Jesus my lord will receive eternal life. Post Reply
View Profile History	Jn 3:15 Who is The Whosoever: Posted : 15 Jun, 2012 03:55 PM I do not have a need to understand you I have understood Calvinism from the first time I have seen it, there is not any part of confusion. Ryan you would probably laugh, my testimony is the lord Jesus from the day I was saved, we have many conversations concerning Calvinism, he can tell exactly you where it started. Thus the knowing of the other doctrine. Post Reply
View Profile History	Jn 3:15 Who is The Whosoever: Posted : 15 Jun, 2012 04:03 PM So like I have said in other threads...when you and other word of faith teachers cannot back up their view, you claim direct revelation from Jesus. I mean who can argue when you say you have conversations with Jesus. Heck Benny Hinn even said Jesus showed up in person on stage at his events. You are right...this is laughable. It's more sad than that though. Post Reply
View Profile History	Jn 3:15 Who is The Whosoever: Posted : 15 Jun, 2012 04:31 PM John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. *** The same Greek word (pas) for whosoever in this verse� We have established the Greek word Pas to be a �all� word� Ryan shared ~ No...John 3:16 says that Jesus died for all those who believe. It does not say "all can believe"....that's quite the stretch there. PJ shared ~ Ryan to make that statement say it does not say that all will believe. *** So both of you disagree on and question the �will� and �can��Since the �whosoever� is a (all) based on whosoever G3956 ~ pas~ adjective ~ Including all the forms of declension ~ 1) individually a) each, every, any, all, the whole, everyone, all things, everything 2) collectively a) some of all types *** My conclusion is neither the words �will� and �can� is found in this verse of Scripture�I believe it is not wise to add to or take away from the Word� xo Post Reply
View Profile History	Jn 3:15 Who is The Whosoever: Posted : 15 Jun, 2012 04:31 PM So like I have said in other threads...when you and other word of faith teachers cannot back up their view, you claim direct revelation from Jesus. I mean who can argue when you say you have conversations with Jesus. Heck Benny Hinn even said Jesus showed up in person on stage at his events. You are right...this is laughable. It's more sad than that though. Here is your problem with that excuse, you and every other man or woman that has ever been upon the earth for everything they ever say, and of course that includes me. Your intention from the beginning was strife which is all Calvinist response to the truth. Here is the bottom line Ryan, it used to be a constant mocking of the Holy Spirit by the Calvinist on this site. Why would laugh at Jesus and the Holy spirit, that is interesting. How many more accusations would you like to make be fore you are done Here is the fact Ryan, you and every man have the privilege to hear his voice and the responsibility to inquire of him, he will confirm all I said and as I have often invited anyone to ask him, or one can mock his word and do as they will. I know He will answer who ever will ask of him. Post Reply
View Profile History	Jn 3:15 Who is The Whosoever: Posted : 15 Jun, 2012 09:30 PM " Here is your problem with that excuse, you and every other man or woman that has ever been upon the earth for everything they ever say, and of course that includes me." First of all, I posted YOUR excuse. Second of all, the sentence doesn't make any sense. Please do not take this the wrong way, but how do you expect anyone to believe you can read and understand simple verses when you can barely type a sentence? I don't mean that to be harsh. I mean it to be thought provoking. " Why would laugh at Jesus and the Holy spirit, that is interesting." I don't laugh at Jesus. I laugh that the claim that Jesus showed up on stage...Please try to understand what I type. " How many more accusations would you like to make be fore you are done" About as many as you. Do the math...Don't be a hypocrite...you are the one who keeps posting these new threads. You ruined Jude's...what is your goal in continuing? Is it possible that you desire to cause strife? " Here is the fact Ryan, you and every man have the privilege to hear his voice and the responsibility to inquire of him, he will confirm all I said and as I have often invited anyone to ask him, or one can mock his word and do as they will." Great thanks, but John 3:16 doesn't say that. Post Reply
View Profile History	Jn 3:15 Who is The Whosoever: Posted : 15 Jun, 2012 10:19 PM Ryan it does to the hearer, the problem is not with the word it is as stated with the hardened heart. Btw the ignored what I posted. Jude what are you trying to say in your response. Post Reply
View Profile History	Jn 3:15 Who is The Whosoever: Posted : 15 Jun, 2012 10:24 PM Oh I answered..you just don't like the answer because you've been proven a hypocrite. Post Reply
View Profile History	Jn 3:15 Who is The Whosoever: Posted : 15 Jun, 2012 11:02 PM Oh I answered..you just don't like the answer because you've been proven a hypocrite. Ryan you have not proved anything other than you do not accept what Jesus teaches in his word, that does not make me the hypocrite. I realize you like to use that term as do all Calvinist, but you profess that Jesus is a hypocrite when you say that, for all I posted is what he said and did. Btw remember how you said you would not respond to me any more. Post Reply
View Profile History	Jn 3:15 Who is The Whosoever: Posted : 16 Jun, 2012 12:08 AM No I proved you a hypocrite because you start threads to cause strife and cause strife in other well-intentioned threads. Then you accuse people of causing strife. You with the strife causer award. Congratulations Post Reply
View Profile History	Jn 3:15 Who is The Whosoever: Posted : 16 Jun, 2012 12:15 AM Yea I have said I wouldn't respond and I have said I've felt bad for you and would continue to try to help you see the light. It's an ongoing struggle with me. You've even been hateful to Jude...simply because you cannot see past one debate. You ever resort to the pathetic "tactic" of saying all Calvinists use the word hypocrite...just so you can throw the add "Calvinist" to your post. It's really sad that you are this immature and in your 60's. EVERYONE uses the word "hypocrite". Are you this naive? I know your theology teaches that we are all gods, but I have news for you....Disagreeing with you(you being nothing but a man) does not mean one is disagreeing with Jesus. I get sick and tired of you claiming to be on the level of Jesus. God is God and you are not. You want to talk about heresy and false doctrines....Claiming you are God is about as false as it gets. God is not pretty much the same as us, but just a little better. He is nothing like us at all. He is altogether Holy and YOU DO NOT COMPARE TO HIM. YOU DO NOT SPEAK FOR HIM. Stop hating everyone on the board...unless you want us to see by your fruit that you are not of God at all. Grow up PJ... Post Reply

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