How important is it to know that you have been 'called out'? chosen? born from above?
Posted : 30 Jun, 2012 07:07 AM
Hey guys,
Gods word has language that both God chooses us and we choose Him. Its a agreement we make together with God.
He stands at the door and knocks and if anyone opens the door.....
Being chosen before the foundations of the earth.....
The important thing is those who are Gods are in agreement with God personally.
If a individual believes only in election God is not offended. If a individual believes in predestination then God is not offended.
Even those who will be sent into outer darkness will be agreement with God.
The other day I was talking with guy I work with and he said when he comes bfore God he would reject being in the presence of God.
I told him it is his choice and he will get exactly what he askes for. God will be in agreement even though God loves him and has also paid the price for that individual.
Lets rejoice together that we are to spend eternity together before God and not fight over who is right. Not every doctrine is completly clear cut and we can give lattitude in the areas that are not, cant we?
How important is it to know that you have been 'called out'? chosen? born from above?
Posted : 1 Jul, 2012 01:24 PM
The problem is there is no mention of this agreement that we must have with God in scripture. Also Jesus doesn't knock at the door of the sinner's heart. That's not what the verse means.
How important is it to know that you have been 'called out'? chosen? born from above?
Posted : 2 Jul, 2012 04:51 AM
Yes , brother. But we agree with God none the less. When we study the Word of God as I know you do and I have for over 30 years we begin to agree with God in the things we understand. True?
What I was simply trying to communicate is that each of us have a agreement with God in our understanding of who is.
My agreeing with God in who I am and who He is, honestly has no bearing on anyothers life but my own. Speaking eternally that is.
We as christains are probally the most egotistical people and stuburn in needing to be right on the face of the planet.
Its one thing to have a friendly discussion about what we believe but it is another to expect someone with their own mind and free will to submit to our understanding. It is simply unreansonable to do so and frankly unloving to seek to force our will and views upon anothers.
This is what i see with the bantering back and forth.
Now to be honest I have been guilty of this in the past and have repented of my attitude.
Lets just think about if we are really showing forth love here or are we just needing to be right.
How important is it to know that you have been 'called out'? chosen? born from above?
Posted : 2 Jul, 2012 10:05 AM
LetThisMind,
Honestly, I have read many of your posts and I just shake my head at most of them. I never bother to respond since I wonder what is the point?
However, I would like to address a couple of things from your post here.
You said: "We as christains are probally the most egotistical people and stuburn in needing to be right on the face of the planet."
Really? I think you should speak for yourself and not for "Christians" generally. Most of the Christians that I have known are the kindest, humblest people that I have ever met. Possibly, in your own misunderstanding, you mistake a firm conviction with stubbornness, I don't know. However, your blanket statement is an offense.
You said: "Its one thing to have a friendly discussion about what we believe but it is another to expect someone with their own mind and free will to submit to our understanding. It is simply unreansonable to do so and frankly unloving to seek to force our will and views upon another"
There is a lot wrong with this statement but I am only going to address one part of it. Are you seeking to force your will and view on us that is it wrong to force our will and view on others?
Nobody forces anyone here. People ask questions, people answer. Nobody is water boarding anyone else here to force them to believe.
Now, just for the record, there are NOT many gods. There is ONE God. The truth is not subjective, my friend. It is objective. It does not become truth by your agreement with it nor is it any less truth because you disagree.- it's truth, period.
How important is it to know that you have been 'called out'? chosen? born from above?
Posted : 2 Jul, 2012 11:54 AM
" What I was simply trying to communicate is that each of us have a agreement with God in our understanding of who is."
God is not one thing to me and another to you. He is who He is. You fail to see that the quote above is nothing more than you saying we fashion God into who we want Him to be. Whoever we decide He is, He agrees with that...that seems to be what you are claiming. I wonder what your biblical grounds are for saying this.
" My agreeing with God in who I am and who He is, honestly has no bearing on anyothers life but my own. Speaking eternally that is."
Eternally speaking...there is only one way to heaven is there not? Sure your belief has no bearing on my life, but truth has bearing on everyone's life. Just because you think you and God are agreeing with each other, doesn't make it reality.
" We as christains are probally the most egotistical people and stuburn in needing to be right on the face of the planet."
I think Bob already addressed this well, but I for one think truth is important.
" Its one thing to have a friendly discussion about what we believe but it is another to expect someone with their own mind and free will to submit to our understanding. It is simply unreansonable to do so and frankly unloving to seek to force our will and views upon anothers."
As Bob pointed out...are you being unloving?
" Lets just think about if we are really showing forth love here or are we just needing to be right."
I'd say being right is pretty important...because I place truth above opinion.
