Author	Thread: Are there any REFORMED CESSATIONIST PRETERISTS Christians here?
DoYouWaterCamels View Profile History	Are there any REFORMED CESSATIONIST PRETERISTS Christians here? Posted : 27 Jun, 2012 10:43 PM It's one thing to notice how your pool of potential mates is limited to Christians. Then it's chopped off by a third when you become a cessationist. It's another thing when you become Reformed because it shrinks dramatically. It's even more drastically reduced when you become a Preterist. So are there any Reformed folk here? Cessationists? Preterists? All 3? Post Reply
View Profile History	Are there any REFORMED CESSATIONIST PRETERISTS Christians here? Posted : 28 Jun, 2012 10:22 AM "A person is either born again from above in Christ Jesus or not." Jesus paid our sin debt in Full. We are to except HIM as our Lord and Savior. Truth Post Reply
DoYouWaterCamels View Profile History	Are there any REFORMED CESSATIONIST PRETERISTS Christians here? Posted : 28 Jun, 2012 11:09 AM theological terms are important bc they define what one is talking about. Calvinism or Triinity or Hypostatic Union are just terms to define what one is talking about. The bottom line is, is one's doctrine consistent with Scripture. Yes, God does put Himself in a box. It's called the Bible. And It commands not to go beyond what is written. It reveals and defines who God is and what He is like. So, to go outside the Bible would be to create a box. So, throwing out "you can't put God in a box" is a tradition/mantra/box that one chants to avoid engaging the issue. Can God be a female? Can God be polytheistic? Can God not be God? Can God sin? Remember, you can't put God in a box! Where does it say in the Bible that one cannot put God in a box? lol. If you want to be technical, Scripture teaches that God is in a box. It's called the Holy of Holies (2Chron3.8). It was in the shape of a cube. And the holy city, the new jerusalem which is already here, God's people, Christians, which came down from heaven in a box or cube (Rev. 21.16). God dwells in her. ;-) Post Reply
View Profile History	Are there any REFORMED CESSATIONIST PRETERISTS Christians here? Posted : 28 Jun, 2012 11:56 AM The Arc of the Covenant is BOX and it carried the 10 Commandments~AKA~Laws of GOD and the Writtings that came after...GOD met the High Priests betwix the Cherubim Upon ~ A-Top the BOX in the HOLY of HOLIES...the Inner Court of the Tabernacle... GOD is Everywhere and ABOVE Everything...You Sir...put GOD ina BOX and Claim that I do...now thats funny...:laugh:...xo Post Reply
DoYouWaterCamels View Profile History	Are there any REFORMED CESSATIONIST PRETERISTS Christians here? Posted : 28 Jun, 2012 12:00 PM "1st out the gate is "Calvinism"...which IMHO is EXALTING a name above Yahshua~Jesus..." **Calvinism is a theological term not an exaltation of a man. In fact, Calvinism totally exalts and glorifies God. It is God-centered and Christ-exalting more than any system I've been in and I started in off in the superstitious catholic traditions then to the kooky charismatic demon behind every tree, to a conservative to John Piper-like church. "next is the Solas...which actually started with Protestant Reform not Calvin which split from Luther due to thier personal differences" **Did I say The Solas started with Calvin? Was I not defining Reformed? Post Reply
View Profile History	Are there any REFORMED CESSATIONIST PRETERISTS Christians here? Posted : 28 Jun, 2012 12:00 PM The Bible is NOT a Box...its is a Book and is the Holy Inspired Living Word of God that Proclaims Eternal Life "In" Yahshua~Christ Jesus and also a Manual for living...God does not Live in a Book however His Eternal Story does...xo Post Reply
View Profile History	Are there any REFORMED CESSATIONIST PRETERISTS Christians here? Posted : 28 Jun, 2012 12:37 PM DoYouWaterCamels - You will quickly find that the folks here (just like the ones in the churches) do not care about the truth. They care only for their own opinions. They have erected their own gods and worship at the altar of humanism. They will not even attempt Biblical refutations. They simply will say "you are wrong" etc. They will never prove it because they can not. I have been encouraged to see that there are still 7000 reserved that have not bowed their knees to Baal. Stay true my brother. And yes, doctrine and theology matter. Without them, you have nothing. Post Reply
View Profile History	Are there any REFORMED CESSATIONIST PRETERISTS Christians here? Posted : 28 Jun, 2012 01:09 PM :waving:...Hi Bob...good to see you here... Ok...So let me get this right... what WaterCamel is saying is the 5 Solas are Part of Calvinist Reform which followed the Protestant Reform ???...Isnt that backwards ???...Historicly ???...and if this is his Truth...then what need of a Tulip (Doctrine of Grace )...created by a man...Calvin...when the 5 Solas are excepted as perfect ???...I really want to understand this...can anyone explain why people add to and subtract from based on thier interpretation and beliefs instead of basing it All on Yahshua~Christ Jesus the Son of GOD ???...xo 5 SOLAS: Sola Scriptura - Scripture Alone is The Authority Solus Christus - Christ Alone Sola Fide - Faith Alone Sola Gracia - Grace Alone Soli Deo Gloria - To God Alone Be The Glory Post Reply
View Profile History	Are there any REFORMED CESSATIONIST PRETERISTS Christians here? Posted : 28 Jun, 2012 02:36 PM Jude, I think a lot of this has to do with explaining doctrines in summary forms. One could just say - "I believe the Bible" or "I believe in Jesus" but that's very vague. This is why their are statements of faith, confessions, creeds.etc. I am not sure why this seems to offend so many people. If it wasn't for the 'reformers' chances are pretty darn good that ALL protestants would still be practicing Catholics. Calvin, Luther, Zwingli, Viret, etal. were debating Biblical faith vs. Catholic heresy. We owe them a debt of gratitude at minimum. Post Reply
DoYouWaterCamels View Profile History	Are there any REFORMED CESSATIONIST PRETERISTS Christians here? Posted : 28 Jun, 2012 02:50 PM Jude, Thank you. I no longer wish to dialog with the jack in the box :glow: Post Reply
View Profile History	Are there any REFORMED CESSATIONIST PRETERISTS Christians here? Posted : 28 Jun, 2012 03:14 PM GodsJude, you argue that DoYouWaterCamels is "putting God in a box," yet you my friend are the one placing unnecessary limits on things here. You simply go to a dictionary to define the meaning of a theological perspective rather than listen to the views of those who hold to that perspective. The term "Reformed" comes from the fact that the Protestant Reformers were *RECLAIMING* the old faith which had been lost and corrupted by Roman Catholicism. It is nothing more than a word used to describe a theological position, and a historical one at that. There is also a word out there that can be used to describe whatever theological position you hold to as well. Just because you choose not to use the word (which only serves to make it harder for people to understand and relate to what you believe) does not mean you too aren't also making your own theological interpretation of the Scriptures. Anyone who says, "I don't interpret the Bible, I just read it," is the GREATEST OFFENDER when it comes to "putting God in a box." Everyone has their traditions and presuppositions. You would not be able to make any sense out of what you read without them. But those of us who acknowledge that we have our traditions can approach the Scriptures honestly by recognizing what those traditions are and consciously setting them aside and allowing the text of Scripture to challenge them. But those, on the other hand, who just say "I don't interpret the Bible, I just read it," fail to even recognize that they have traditions, and consequently they are actually ENSLAVED to them, because they approach the Bible completely ignorant of the fact that they are reading it through a presuppositional lense and consequently they are unable to pinpoint those presuppositions and get them out of the way or allow them to be challenged. Secondly, you are not being realistic with your criticism against denominationalism. There will be no divisions in the Body of Christ in the new heavens and the new earth because Christ's bride will be perfected at that time. But we still live in a fallen world, and as long as we live in a fallen world, we will all make our errors in judgment, and we will all have our imperfect theologies. It is sad that the church is divided into denominations. But to argue that denominationalism is simply and outright unbiblical wrongly assumes that there is never a good reason to divide. Most denominational splits don't occur because people are just bored and want to start their own church. They happen because people actually take the Bible seriously, they actually get into studying it and mining its treasures, and when they do that people start to butt heads on things, because sin can still cause man to read the Scriptures through certain preconceived perspectives (and sometimes, people can just have legitimate disagreements about things that aren't very clear in Scripture). While we're on the subject, by the way, I find non-denominationalism to be a rather hypocritical and ironic concept. Many non-denominational churches may have a genuine desire for Christian unity, but they are actually, in my opinion, producing the worst attack against it. By viewing themselves as an individual church that often rejects the creeds and is not associated with other churches by organization, they disconnect themselves from the historical faith, which often leads to theological chaos within the church (since there is no real established position on what is believed), and consequently you end up with a tiny denomination in itself. Each individual non-denominational church becomes a denomination within itself by its refusal to associate with any particular camp or adhere to any particular creed. Ironically, non-denominationalists are the ultimate schismatics. True unity, I would argue, is actually found ironically enough in denominationalism, not non-denominationalism. In the Reformed tradition, we make the distinction between the visible and invisible church. The visible church consists of all those who profess faith in Christ, and the invisible church consists of the whole number of the elect scattered throughout the world -- i.e. those who are actually of Christ (which doesn't include all those who profess faith - cf. Matt. 7:21-23). God alone knows who He is uniting spiritually in the invisible church. As for unity in the visible church, I think we have three options. There are the extreme unionists (Roman Catholic and liberal) who in my opinion, having their priorities backwards, are more driven by the desire to unite man than they are by the desire to know and uphold the truth of God. This extreme would rather sacrifice theological truth for the sake of having everyone get along, than to sacrifice visible unity for the sake of obeying and honoring God. Then on the other end of the spectrum you have the other extreme -- non-denominationalism (or even anti-denominationalism) -- the ultimate schismatics, who basically end up unwittingly suggesting, again in my opinion, that every church should be a denomination in and of itself, producing theological chaos and no real deep spiritual connection at all because there will be no creedal agreement among churches beyond vague and unclarified statements like "Jesus loves us and died for us." Both are extremes that I think we ought not to take. Denominationalism is a sober middle option. It is actually somewhat of a requirement if we are to aim to be organizationally unified. Again, there will be no denominations in the new heavens and the new earth because God Himself will perfect us all. But while we still live in this fallen world, our aim toward organizational unity necessitates denominationalism. In fact the necessity is hardly more than circumstantial, just as it is necessary to establish individual local congregations in various towns so that it is possible for everyone to attend a worship service each week. Denominations help us to maintain some semblance of unity, because unlike non-denominational churches, they provide order and church discipline and provide a place for like-minded believers to agree with one another on a confessional statement of doctrine, thus uniting like-minded believers around the world. It does not unite everyone sure, but it does provide a semblance of unity without sacrificing truth (as the Catholics and liberals do), and that unity is a real, like-minded unity, not just an illusory and surface-level appearance of unity that is created by non-denominationalists making vague statements of doctrine that they go into no detail defining. The question we have to ask is, since we cannot attain perfect unity on this side of heaven, then what better option is there than denominations? I would contend that there isn't one. Any attempt to take another road will either result in sacrificing truth for the sake of unity, or causing theological chaos in which no one can truly be united at all, because the spiritual and theological agreement that believers share would be so surface-level and vague it is almost meaningless. Post Reply

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