Author	Thread: Free-will doctrine
dljrn04 View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 23 Jul, 2012 04:33 PM Free-will doctrine�what does it do? It magnifies man into God; it declares God's purposes a nullity, since they cannot be carried out unless men are willing. It makes God's will a waiting servant to the will of man, and the whole covenant of grace dependent upon human action. Denying election on the ground of injustice, it holds God to be a debtor to sinners, so that if he gives grace to one he is bound to do so to all. It teaches that the blood of Christ was shed equally for all men and since some are lost, this doctrine ascribes the difference to man's own will, thus making the atonement itself a powerless thing until the will of man gives it efficacy...http://www.spurgeon.org/sermons/0502.htm Post Reply
View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 24 Jul, 2012 10:44 AM Excellent Post OP - Glory to God alone. Thanks for your public stand for the truth. You, as well, Holding - honored to have you as my bother. Teach - she has been admonished publicly and privately to quit teachin' false gospel, bad theology, post verses out of context, etc. but she continues because by golly, nobody is going to tell her what to do and I do mean NOBODY!! YeshauReigns - Already been demolished in previous threads. Finally, had to take his humanist bucket and his mud slinging shovel and leave.Chides others for reading Calvin but relies on the man Dave Hunt instead of rightly dividing the word of God. By the way get a copy of "The Reduction of Christianity" It's about 375 pages demolishing Dave Hunt PJ - According to his own definition of Calvinism , he is still the best "calvinist" that I know. Other than that his existence here consists of undecipherable, scriptureless, insults hurled at all the "tulip boogeymen" that he sees. Jude - always offerin' lotsa spiritual soundin stuff but can't ever really explain what much of it means because she can't put God in a box. Gotta steer clear of that complicated stuff like exegesis, hermeneutics, contextualization, etc. But she's real good at puttin' out her digs into folks with an xo. Same cast of characters. They all know best. Never seen a true ounce of humility in the lot of them. None of them are teachable. Yet, Spurgeon, Luther, Calvin, Zwingli, Knox, Bucer, Edwards, Manton, Gill, Hodge, Machen, Pink, Owen, Brooks, Bunyan, Warfield, Henry, Boettner, Bonar, Clark, VanTil, Frame, Piper, Packer, Sproul, along with hundreds of others of the greatest theologians of the past 500 years all got it wrong. Pretty interestin' ain't it? xo. Post Reply
View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 24 Jul, 2012 10:54 AM Yet, Spurgeon, Luther, Calvin, Zwingli, Knox, Bucer, Edwards, Manton, Gill, Hodge, Machen, Pink, Owen, Brooks, Bunyan, Warfield, Henry, Boettner, Bonar, Clark, VanTil, Frame, Piper, Packer, Sproul, along with hundreds of others of the greatest theologians of the past 500 years all got it wrong. The one true statement in the whole response. Because according to the post and your response you believe The God of The word got it wrong, Go figure. Then you continually do as the God of the word said some would do.2Pe 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, There is a very clear verse about how people will to do as they will it is called lust in this instance. Proclaiming man does not have the will to choose is boldly scoffing and mocking god. Post Reply
View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 24 Jul, 2012 10:59 AM Remember Bob...its all "Perspective"....I perceive the "Condemnation" in your Comments as well as the Original Post...also Remember...there is no Condemnation to those In-Christ...also perceive you rolled over your Attitude from another post in another section...might I suggest ya get that under control and turn it over to GOD before ya start Bible Thumping everyone :winksmile:...xo Post Reply
dljrn04 View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 24 Jul, 2012 11:59 AM jude, i did glorify God by giving him all the glory and not looking to my self for salvation. I tried to exhort unbelievers but as Christ through out his word spoke on deaf ears. The pharisees still rule here. Post Reply
View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 24 Jul, 2012 12:35 PM I tried to exhort unbelievers but as Christ through out his word spoke on deaf ears. The pharisees still rule here. *** You tried to "exhort" Un-Belivers ???...Dear sister...the Apostles all of them including Paul "exorted" the Believers not Un-Belivers...Un-Believers are called to Repentance...a person can not Exhort a Un-Beliver into Salvation in Christ Jesus....xo Post Reply
View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 24 Jul, 2012 02:59 PM She posted an exhortation, period. One that should not offend any true believer. I do see a small group of Pharisees have raised there hand in offense though. Post Reply
View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 24 Jul, 2012 03:11 PM Jude - Um no you might not suggest I get that under control and turn it over to GOD before ya start Bible Thumping everyone and here's why "If Conviction is the result desired...it is best to leave that work to the one that is empowered to do it...the HOLY SPIRIT of GOD...for man/women who take on this role are only capable of Condemnation..." Jude., Maybe you ought to perceive the condemnation in your own post first before you look to perceive it in the OPs original or my follow up. Cuz' I am sure perceiving lots of your condemnation around these parts lately. "I see a person that has posted yet another topic concerning the "Free Will" of man and women which is actually a "Self Will" for the purpose of what ???... Did it do what it is intended to do ??? Did it bring Glory to GOD ??? Did it Exhort the Brethren ??? Do people not see and understand that their own "Self Will" and "Choice" has a part in it and everything ??? If Conviction is the result desired...it is best to leave that work to the one that is empowered to do it...the HOLY SPIRIT of GOD...for man/women who take on this role are only capable of Condemnation... Post Reply
View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 24 Jul, 2012 04:07 PM :waving: Shall do Tulip man...Mat 7:3-5, Luk 6:41-42 I'm not offended by sister Donnas post Bob...however you are offended by mine...Bob...ima not here to play games...you may use anything I have posted to prove your point...however it will not nulify the point of my comments about the Original Post being posted for the Purpose of what ?...I'll tell ya what Bob...Sowing Discourd amongst the Brethren which have now been called "Pharasees" now and Against those that Believe in Freewill...This is not Exhortation of Believers in Christ Jesus no matter how ya wanna justify it Bob...xo Post Reply
View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 24 Jul, 2012 05:14 PM "Brethren" who have rested their hope on man or themselves or who preach and teach false gospels, etc are called Anathema by Paul. They are not called brethren. "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father who is in heaven Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. What you believe matters MORE than how much you believe. Post Reply
teach_ib View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 24 Jul, 2012 08:05 PM I continue to notice a trend on these threads... Someone copies and pastes a section from a book or statement with NO scripture and they are citing truth. Someone copies and pastes ONLY scripture and it is heresy. I am so thankfule, my God's Words are eternal and unrefutable. If there was no choice on my part, why not just hang out and do my will...since I'm either condemned to Hell or already have my spot secure in Heaven. No use in going out and spreading the Gospel because no one needs to hear it because God has already chosen them...and they don't have to do a thing. Post Reply

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