Author	Thread: Literal or Special Language?
teach_ib View Profile History	Literal or Special Language? Posted : 4 Aug, 2012 07:07 PM Many posts on a variety of threads indicate that we need to read more into words in the Bible...that words like 'all', "every", "world", etc have deeper meanings than what even English majors or Hebrew/Greek experts understand the words to mean. Do you believe the Word of God requires a 'higher level of knowledge' to understand it? "If God be the originator of language and if the chief purpose of originating it was to convey His message to humanity, then it must follow that He, being all-wise and all-loving, originated sufficient language to convey all that was in His heart to tell mankind.� Furthermore, it must also follow that He would use language and expect people to understand it in its literal, normal, and plain sense.� The Scriptures, then, cannot be regarded as an illustration of some special use of language so that in the interpretation of these Scriptures some deeper meaning of the words must be sought."� [Charles C. Ryrie, Dispensationalism (Chicago: Moody Press, 1995), 81.] Post Reply
View Profile History	Literal or Special Language? Posted : 5 Aug, 2012 07:10 PM That all made sense in your mind. Didn't it? Rom 9: 11.For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth; 12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. 13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. 14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. 15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. 16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. Um... there goes your theory. Post Reply
teach_ib View Profile History	Literal or Special Language? Posted : 5 Aug, 2012 07:14 PM Bob wrote: "It's clear that you recognize the obvious rhetorical nature of the OPs entire post. Notice that she uses a noted dispensationalist as a source of reference. That in and of itself is telltale of the depths of her misunderstanding. The axe has already been laid to the root of dispensationalism's heretical tree by many biblical scholars and theologians. I suspect next the OP is going to tell us that the "rapture" is coming soon as well. " Bob wrote: "If any pastor, theologian, etc gets a few points wrong are they a 'heretic"? By challenging the likes of Calvin (and other reformers), Augustine, etc, you are setting yourself up as one having more knowledge, one with more Biblical understanding then all of them.... a fairly tall inference." ***** Me: Dispensationalism has no more been refuted than reformed theology has been proven. � So by challenging dispensationalists or others who disagree with Calvin and other reformers is setting your self up as one having more knowledge, one with more Biblical understanding than all of them...a fairly tall inference. Post Reply
View Profile History	Literal or Special Language? Posted : 5 Aug, 2012 07:14 PM "When the literal sense makes sense, you don't have to look further to understand the verse(s). In the case of Jacob and Esau, you have to look at the whole story to understand why He hated Esau. " No, I don't and neither does anybody else. The answer is plain and clear...... "that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth" Post Reply
teach_ib View Profile History	Literal or Special Language? Posted : 5 Aug, 2012 07:18 PM Context means everything... Post Reply
View Profile History	Literal or Special Language? Posted : 5 Aug, 2012 07:40 PM "Dispensationalism has no more been refuted than reformed theology has been proven. " Rather than just throwing stuff against the wall to see what sticks for the purpose of disagreeing with everything, why don't you try actually researching the matter and reading the refutations? Gerstner,Bahnsen, Gentry, to name a few have blown the false doctrine of dispensationalism out the water. Do some research. I will offer to you the same challenge as P.J. and Jude with respect to "reformed theology." Why don't you all get together and collaborate on an answer. "So by challenging dispensationalists or others who disagree with Calvin and other reformers is setting your self up as one having more knowledge, one with more Biblical understanding than all of them...a fairly tall inference. " Actually, I am suggesting that other scholars and theologians have already shown themselves more approved with regard to this topic. I am merely highlighting this fact. Post Reply
View Profile History	Literal or Special Language? Posted : 5 Aug, 2012 08:04 PM "so god hates Esau because he is absent from God." One small problem here....That's not what the verse says..."11 though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad�in order that God's purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of him who calls"....Vastly different from the reason give for God's hate. "When the literal sense makes sense, you don't have to look further to understand the verse(s)." You keep repeating this even though we have shown you how it's not even close to being accurate. Furthermore, if you actually believed it, you wouldn't say this, "so god hates Esau because he is absent from God." after reading Romans 9:11 because it's clearly not the literal reading of it. So since we have shown your silly phrase to be invalid and I have just shown that you yourself do not even accept it's validity for interpreting Romans 9:11 then please stop posting it. You just use it as your scapegoat when you have no answer. Post Reply
teach_ib View Profile History	Literal or Special Language? Posted : 5 Aug, 2012 08:06 PM What exactly is your question on reformed theology? The men you list have not done anything more than put their views down on paper. You seem to worship them more than you worship God. Post Reply
View Profile History	Literal or Special Language? Posted : 5 Aug, 2012 08:13 PM As did Charles C. Ryrie. Do you worship him? You see how much sense a comment like that makes for your argument? 1 Thes 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Post Reply
View Profile History	Literal or Special Language? Posted : 5 Aug, 2012 08:16 PM "Context means everything... " When the literal makes sense, everything else is nonsense. Post Reply
View Profile History	Literal or Special Language? Posted : 5 Aug, 2012 08:18 PM Her theological Titanic has hit the iceberg. She is still up on the top deck fiddling. Post Reply

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